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Any updates on the Centennial Green (the new park along Sixth Street)? The TW story from last month  said it was supposed to be done June 5. Haven't heard anything about it opening.

Last I read was the end of the month due to rain. There are tons of people out there working. They've got all the trees and bushes in and have most of the stone and concrete work done. They are currently putting in the dirt so they can put sod down.

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i can't wait for that to open. i think there should be projects like this all around the city. like on that big vacant tract of land just north of downtown in between main and cincinnati.

I'm looking forward to seeing the fountain!  It has the potential to be very cool.

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Originally posted by hello

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Where's the green?[:o)]

That parking lot to the south is just begging to be redeveloped with Main St. retail frontage and potential condos/apts. with a park view...

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Where's the green?

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I am guessing somewhere along South Memorial.  [:)]

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Originally posted by SXSW

That parking lot to the south is just begging to be redeveloped with Main St. retail frontage and potential condos/apts. with a park view...

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I love that building. You could make some fun loft apartments. If I ever won the lottery I'd buy one of these and allow the tenants to buy the offices and do the manual labor themselves to turn them into lofts. More of a hands on thing.

I am very excited for this to be done. One of the things I love about Manhattan are the little parks    in unexpected places.

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Originally posted by hello

I am very excited for this to be done. One of the things I love about Manhattan are the little parks    in unexpected places.

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These pictures are just reinforcing how much I loathe downtown surface parking lots.

I'd love to see a park like this in front of Holy Family Cathedral at 8th and Boulder.  The "Cathedral Square" idea that has been talked about here before would really go a long way in improving the northwest part of TCC's parking lot district in south downtown.

The third target date for completion: late July.
Tulsa World (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/blogs/blogcomment.aspx?column_id=30&entry_id=2577")

It's not their fault.  It rained this spring.  In addition to the rain, the weather in Oklahoma was uncharacteristically unpredictable.   [xx(]

It looks about the same as it did four months ago, except they brought the trees in to store next to the park.

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It's not their fault.  It rained this spring.  In addition to the rain, the weather in Oklahoma was uncharacteristically unpredictable.   [xx(]

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LOL [}:)]
Yeah that Oklahoma weather is just putting everyone out of business.

We give our guys raincoats and sunglasses, it's an expense, but worth it!

There must be something else holding this up.  Really!

I went by today. The only thing really left to do is unit pavers and sod.

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Originally posted by sgrizzle

I went by today. The only thing really left to do is unit pavers and sod.

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The center of the site was ready for irrigation installation and then sod, now it needs to be re-graded following the rain. Paver work was underway on Tuesday at the NE corner and there is still some stone facing and cap to do on the wall, especially on the west side.  

Weather delays to a project such as this go far beyond just this site not being able to work when it is raining on the workers heads.  When nearly everything around town with heavy landscape work is behind from the weather and everybody is screaming that their project is the most important one in town getting caught back up is difficult.

Overall, completion by the month appears very doable and this project from my daily observation is ahead of most.

Not the best picture but you can see some progress.

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Thanks for the updated picture.

So where is the ampitheater structure and centennial markers?

I really hope there will be some trees around the north side of the park...or that will be a baking pan as it currently is...this time of year.

I see an opportunity to create a really nice walking corridor along that north side sidewalk.  Plant some medium to large canopy trees on either side of the sidewalk and I guaranty that stretch between Main St. and Boston Av. will be the most pleasant place downtown.  Add a few moveable chairs/tables and you've got the creation of a better-usable place.  

As it is, it's still certainly far better than what was and I'll visit during a lunch break or two during the week.  I hope a nice cafe opens up across the street.

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So where is the ampitheater structure and centennial markers?

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I think the amphitheater is that semi-circle in the Southwest corner. The way the lawn slopes up from there to the fountain on the Northeast side suggests "theater seating" (at least when you're standing there).

I agree with HT. It needs a lot more trees, and not just on the perimeter, it needs some on the lawn.

Kanbar was trying to raise the rent because of this little park, last I heard.  I really want to believe in this thing, but it has been such a pain in the rear end, I kind of don't care anymore.

Don't care about the park, don't care about the Kanbar properties/promises or don't care about DT?



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So where is the ampitheater structure and centennial markers?

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I think the amphitheater is that semi-circle in the Southwest corner. The way the lawn slopes up from there to the fountain on the Northeast side suggests "theater seating" (at least when you're standing there).

I agree with HT. It needs a lot more trees, and not just on the perimeter, it needs some on the lawn.

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There is actually supposed to be a neat little building with the amphitheater/stage on one side and a sidewalk cafe type area on the other.  I think they werent able to come up with all the funds at this time, dont remember the specifics. But it really needs that structure to finish off the park. Same with the markers and walk.

Well, the fountain is now working but please tell me they are not done with this project. I imagine most of the visitors to this park will be people on their lunch breaks. Where are those in business clothes supposed to sit exactly? I had imagined something more Bryant Park-esque.

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Good post Hello.  Green space is good... But having a place to sit within that green space is imperative if it is going to be an effective public space.


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FWIW...I think the design is quite nice, and it has the potential to be a great public space. Kudos.

In fact, someone with the time and initiative should Nominate it as a Great Public Space (http://"http://www.pps.org/great_public_spaces/")....

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The conduits are sticking out of the ground where the shelter is supposed to stand. Looks like it's still coming.

Quick, everyone bring the old lawn chairs from your garage!

Anyone seen any Owassoan cheerleaders eyeballing that one?

Is it legal for me to reach in the fountain to get change for a parking meter?

I think the bollards might protect that one. [:)]

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Is it legal for me to reach in the fountain to get change for a parking meter?

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There is no "in" to the fountain. You can walk up and touch it, it's only a fraction of an inch deep. It doesn't pool.

I ain't going to get in the fountain. I am afraid of water (not homophobia...hydrophobia).

Water makes you stupid. Look at surfers.

Even voting for water stuff hurts you. Look what the river vote did to Randi Miller's career.

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I ain't going to get in the fountain. I am afraid of water (not homophobia...hydrophobia).

Water makes you stupid. Look at surfers.

Even voting for water stuff hurts you. Look what the river vote did to Randi Miller's career.

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I like water. Water been very, very good to Waterboy. That look like some fine water..

You are a water boy. I am a trash MAN.

Hopefully they don't turn it off at night like the Bartlett Square fountain.

small tables and chairs underneath the grove of trees at the southwest corner.  That will be the nicest area in the park, IMO.  

Someone call 'Up With Trees' and get some trees along the north side of the park.

Otherwise, I'm glad to see this conversion from a surface parking lot.

Should they have created a parking lot underneath for way in the future?  Maybe the next park conversion.

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Originally posted by TheTed

Hopefully they don't turn it off at night like the Bartlett Square fountain.

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Agreed. It's been running at night this week at least.

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small tables and chairs underneath the grove of trees at the southwest corner.  That will be the nicest area in the park, IMO.  

Someone call 'Up With Trees' and get some trees along the north side of the park.

Otherwise, I'm glad to see this conversion from a surface parking lot.

Should they have created a parking lot underneath for way in the future?  Maybe the next park conversion.

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Trees on the northern edge would shade the street.

over the sidewalk or northern side of the park?  So what if they partially shades the street?  As it is right now it (the northern side) looks desolate.  Trees on the northern side of the park will also help better define the park boundary and make the park more identifiable...oh and make the walk along that edge far more pleasant.  

Glad to see the park.  Guess I just have higher expectations and would like to see a spectacular park versus a good park.  On the other hand, a good park is eons better than a car park.

I wish I had saved a rendering of the amphitheater that was to go in on the west side of the park. It was a very snazzy looking, contemporary structure. The building had 2 different sides. On the east facing side it had the amphitheater type area. On the west side  was a place for a cafe type area with outdoor seating and what looked to be an area with a large map, kiosk/information center. And there were trees around the seating area. Right now the park looks empty and unfinished... and it is. This is not the finished park.  

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I ain't going to get in the fountain. I am afraid of water (not homophobia...hydrophobia).

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Good thing you said you are afraid of water. First thing I thought of with hydrophobia was rabies. Remember the movie "Old Yellar"?

The boy (Travis) shot Old Yeller because he had hydrophobia (rabies)...don't get any ideas.

Renderings are here Le Artiste~

http://www.landlegacy.com/blog/2007/08/coming-soon-new-park-in-downtown-tulsa.html

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Hopefully they don't turn it off at night like the Bartlett Square fountain.

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Agreed. It's been running at night this week at least.

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Better catch it quick, then!  

hardy har har

Will have to talk over that way tonight, hope the water is running would be sad if its off.

I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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They were dead trees walking as soon as someone decided to plant them in 105 temps.  I hope that company will come out to replace them.

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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I just ran out there to check but they are still alive and covered in foliage like in the pictures I posted above.

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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Mostly planted alive (the "grove" was planted early in the spring), and several died in place...  The smaller shrubs mostly came later... typically loosing 20% is predictable although due to the weather delays on this project many plantings were late so the loss ratio is likely higher.  Lastly the City requires all specimens to be thriving at final inspection or payment is not made and then usually again one year later they must be healthy at the warranty inspection.

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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Mostly planted alive (the "grove" was planted early in the spring), and several died in place...  The smaller shrubs mostly came later... typically loosing 20% is predictable although due to the weather delays on this project many plantings were late so the loss ratio is likely higher.  Lastly the City requires all specimens to be thriving at final inspection or payment is not made and then usually again one year later they must be healthy at the warranty inspection.

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Where's the trees on the north side, at least as depicted on the original plan?

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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Mostly planted alive (the "grove" was planted early in the spring), and several died in place...  The smaller shrubs mostly came later... typically loosing 20% is predictable although due to the weather delays on this project many plantings were late so the loss ratio is likely higher.  Lastly the City requires all specimens to be thriving at final inspection or payment is not made and then usually again one year later they must be healthy at the warranty inspection.

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Stricter on tree contractors than the city is for cement contractors,,,,

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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Mostly planted alive (the "grove" was planted early in the spring), and several died in place...  The smaller shrubs mostly came later... typically loosing 20% is predictable although due to the weather delays on this project many plantings were late so the loss ratio is likely higher.  Lastly the City requires all specimens to be thriving at final inspection or payment is not made and then usually again one year later they must be healthy at the warranty inspection.

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Where's the trees on the north side, at least as depicted on the original plan?

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I realize they are not finished yet but trees down the north side would be nice to give a more completed look to the park.

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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Mostly planted alive (the "grove" was planted early in the spring), and several died in place...  The smaller shrubs mostly came later... typically loosing 20% is predictable although due to the weather delays on this project many plantings were late so the loss ratio is likely higher.  Lastly the City requires all specimens to be thriving at final inspection or payment is not made and then usually again one year later they must be healthy at the warranty inspection.

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Where's the trees on the north side, at least as depicted on the original plan?

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I realize they are not finished yet but trees down the north side would be nice to give a more completed look to the park.

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Maybe TulsaNow can sponsor the picketers in front of the Mayo and have them march the northside of the park when its hot.  Sweat their a$$e$ off while chanting:

Need Some Trees-
   Need Some Trees-
On the North Side-
   On the North Side!

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I don't claim to be a tree expert, but did they just plant a bunch of dead trees around this park?

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Mostly planted alive (the "grove" was planted early in the spring), and several died in place...  The smaller shrubs mostly came later... typically loosing 20% is predictable although due to the weather delays on this project many plantings were late so the loss ratio is likely higher.  Lastly the City requires all specimens to be thriving at final inspection or payment is not made and then usually again one year later they must be healthy at the warranty inspection.

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Where's the trees on the north side, at least as depicted on the original plan?

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I realize they are not finished yet but trees down the north side would be nice to give a more completed look to the park.

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Maybe TulsaNow can sponsor the picketers in front of the Mayo and have them march the northside of the park when its hot.  Sweat their a$$e$ off while chanting:

Need Some Trees-
   Need Some Trees-
On the North Side-
   On the North Side!

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Yet another example of the north side getting the shaft . . . .

Dead tree replacement underway today!

FYI - The rendering shown in the link was the preliminary rendering, after budgeting and plans were developed and bids were taken several items were eliminated and/or phased like the kiosk to get the project into the available funds.

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Dead tree replacement underway today!

FYI - The rendering shown in the link was the preliminary rendering, after budgeting and plans were developed and bids were taken several items were eliminated and/or phased like the kiosk to get the project into the available funds.

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Please don't let this one get swept up onto the shelf.  Keep the Vision - TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE!  

What if 'Up With Trees' could help finish it off?  Who could they get in contact with?  Is this a City park or one managed by DTU, Land Legacy?  I can't remember.

Or, ask indiviuals for donations. I'd donate a tree...

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Dead tree replacement underway today!

FYI - The rendering shown in the link was the preliminary rendering, after budgeting and plans were developed and bids were taken several items were eliminated and/or phased like the kiosk to get the project into the available funds.

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So please tell me... is the Kiosk building/seating area going to eventually get built? If they are not going go build anything there, with or without the trees, knowing that can enable some of us dreamers to come up with something or for us to try and raise money to have the kiosk building put in.

I thhink he said the Kiosk was phased meaning it is coming, just not right now. If you look the wiring and posts for securing it are in place and I can't imagine they would have that coming out of the ground if the kiosk was far off.

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I thhink he said the Kiosk was phased meaning it is coming, just not right now. If you look the wiring and posts for securing it are in place and I can't imagine they would have that coming out of the ground if the kiosk was far off.

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I understand, that's the plan...

Walked through again this evening and I know it's not complete however it still feels really empty to me.  The fountain placement is good, nice focal point on the most visible corner.  The cluster of trees in the over the paved area in the southwest corner is a nice touch and will no doubt be the most pleasant area.  The edges of this park however flat out suck.  The green will be pleasant on particularly cooler days but the space lacks visual organization.  The entry to the space just seems as if it could have been more formalized and articulated.  PLANT SOME DARN TREES around the edges...PLEASE.  

Trees will make that park.  Put a tight orderly row in the planters on the southside to give the green a better sense of space and make that corridor along the southern edge more pleasant and less exposing.  And for God's sake help make the pedestrian experience on the north side of the park more pleasant.  We have so few pleasant urban places to walk in this City and I thought this would be one.  I can't help but feel exposed on that north side, or baked.  The lack of trees on the northern edge is unacceptable in this climate.  This ain't London, where you can get away with almost exclusively hardscaping an area.  The weather around here makes that almost impossible!  Through my rant however, wait a few weeks for Fall before planting.

Despite my rant, I am extremely thankful for the park and love it far more than I did the nasty asphalt PARKing lot it replaced.  I am greatful to those who initiated this process and made it happen; you guys rock!  I just don't get why we don't plant more trees around here in public projects (exclusive of RiverParks latest enhancement).


RecycleMichael, what are the chances we can convince Up With Trees to help us put the finishing touches on this park assuming we can even get authority to enhance the edges?  And assuming that my view is not in the minority.

The southern edge is where the petro (history) wall is supposed to go.

Up with Trees has been consulting with the Parks department about trees at this park. I agree the park needs a few more and some of the ones planted have already died.

It is almost impossible to plant trees during the summer. We have to wait until temperatures go down to expect the trees to have a chance.

They are also going to have a struggle based on the planting boxes. It is like planting in a bucket and the bucket is filled with rocks. These trees are never going to turn into massive shade at that location with those conditions.

Here's some updated information:
-There will be no additional North Side trees. those were nixed early on (I'm guessing view obstruction)
-There will be one large tree added to the center "Green" area in the near future (centennial tree)
-A "Grand Opening" is planned for November and the Amphitheater Wall as well as the Sculpture for the middle of the fountain should both be in by that time.
-The Petro Wall is on permanent hiatus.
-The restrooms and cafe are still on the horizon, although there is currently no project in place to do that. Plumbing and electric for the cafe and restrooms were run during the park construction.
-The Centennial Green is a city park with a contract with "Tulcenter, Inc." (DTU) to maintain it.

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Here's some updated information:
-There will be no additional North Side trees. those were nixed early on (I'm guessing view obstruction)
-There will be one large tree added to the center "Green" area in the near future (centennial tree)
-A "Grand Opening" is planned for November and the Amphitheater Wall as well as the Sculpture for the middle of the fountain should both be in by that time.
-The Petro Wall is on permanent hiatus.
-The restrooms and cafe are still on the horizon, although there is currently no project in place to do that. Plumbing and electric for the cafe and restrooms were run during the park construction.
-The Centennial Green is a city park with a contract with "Tulcenter, Inc." (DTU) to maintain it.

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In other words:  a half-assed park

Great

How was it half-assed because they moved some trees and removed a wall?

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The old-school Cylon Centurion-head award was kewl...

"The park also is the trailhead for the Centennial Walk, a two-mile path with bricklike sidewalks, special lighting and trees that connects downtown's major attractions. It's also a Vision 2025 project."

And I know we're all excited about seeing more and more Acorn lights, arent we?  [B)]

The guy in the middle is the artist and president of TYPROS.

The cylon tranformer toaster robot is a model of the sculpture that is going to be installed on top of the fountain.

I saw an earlier version of the sculpture and it looked quite nice. Just some proportional tweaking of what was there, and that would have been fine. This version looks like he kept adding and adding and didnt know when to stop lol. Perhaps take the "wings" off and the bottom part? Sometimes you just have to step away, take a breather, and try to look at your work with fresh eyes. Things can slowly evolve and you can lose track of how it actually looks. Its a tricky thing that happens to many an art project and with any artist. More isnt always better.

Parred down a bit... add the fountain shooting up through there with the water cascading down the stepped areas and it would look just fine imho.

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Thats Shane Fernandez; he aint stoned, he dont smoke the evil weed you dorks. He do ride a mean MX bike tho' and he is a good guy. I used to call him Abu Saif' (the asian terror group) to tease him as he is from the Phillipines (sp?)
The sculpture is not my cup of tea.[xx(]

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You ever have anything positive to say? Try a bran muffin once in awhile... it'll do wonders for you.

The Centennial Tree is huge. That'll take care of a lot of the concerns about the north edge of the park. If not, a couple of smaller trees on the NW corner would finish it off.

What I haven't had clearly explained is where the sculpture goes. Everyone says "on top of the fountain" and I don't know if that means on the highest point which is the back or if it's in front of the fountain jet. The water height varies so I'm confused on how you mesh a large sculpture with it.

I sure hope the water somehow flows in and over the sculpture.  Tired of our lame "fountains" in downtown.  If this sculpture can make the water do something interesting, I'm happy.  

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I sure hope the water somehow flows in and over the sculpture.  Tired of our lame "fountains" in downtown.  If this sculpture can make the water do something interesting, I'm happy.  

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Maybe the water will glow red, flow from side to side and a tinny soundtrack will say "by your command".

I hear the fountain doesn't have water in the usual sense, but it is instead dyed blood, sweat, and tears of Tulsans stolen by the Tulsa World, the Oklahoma Court of Civil Appeals, F&M Bank, Kaiser, Arby's, Manhattan Construction, Mrs. Dehaven's, and Randi Miller.  The statue is actually a picture of the yacht they all ride around on in the Carribbean.

/Idiot Conspiracy Theory mode

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I hear the fountain doesn't have water in the usual sense, but it is instead dyed blood, sweat, and tears of Tulsans stolen by the Tulsa World, the Oklahoma Court of Civil Appeals, F&M Bank, Kaiser, Arby's, Manhattan Construction, Mrs. Dehaven's, and Randi Miller.  The statue is actually a picture of the yacht they all ride around on in the Carribbean.

/Idiot Conspiracy Theory mode

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Kudos!

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I always wanted to open a store right next door to theis place and call it "Ain't Miss DeHaven".

Anyone know when the sculpture is scheduled to be installed?  Like it or not, I'm ready for something on top of that platform.

The sculpture (and the rest of the park) are likely to be completed by the end of May.

The sculpture was installed almost on schedule and the amphitheater backdrop/centennial walk guide are being installed now.

Oh kewl, was wondering if the amphitheater part was even going to actually happen. Good news to help finish up that park and make it more useable.

They put it out to bid once and no-one responded. Apparently the second attempt went better.

Just noticed many new trees being added today.  Are they starting on a new phase?

Replacing all the dead ones.

Due to disease, neglect, or poor tree choice for the area?

Contractor's failure to care for them during the grow-in period, replacement is at no cost to the City or Vsion 2025.

The earlier trees were also planted the wrong time of year. I went by and saw these and they look healthy so far.

Planting in holes dug in concrete over existing parking lots can be difficult. It ain't exactly river bottom.

Will the dead trees there now be replaced again?

Yes

  Any idea when the amphitheater/seating area structure thingey will go in?  The park feels lacking without it after seeing the original renderings.

Technically it IS in.

What this park needs is a cafe/restaurant at one of the corners.  The southwest corner where the parking lot is would be a good location and would help make the park feel more 'contained'.

Don't worry.