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Here is a quote from the Obama earlier:

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"These are serious times and they call for a serious debate...spare me all the phony outrage. Spare me all the phony talk about change," he said.

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Finally, this guy decides that we should "debate" these issues.  Wasn't it McCain, about 6 months ago that asked Obama to do a series of town hall debates across the US?

This is the third time since the Democratic convention that Obama has asked to "debate" the issues.

McCain's offer to hold unscripted town hall meetings is still on the table, yet the Messiah keeps declining the offer.  

What's he afraid of?

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Originally posted by iplaw

Here is a quote from the Obama earlier:

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"These are serious times and they call for a serious debate...spare me all the phony outrage. Spare me all the phony talk about change," he said.

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Finally, this guy decides that we should "debate" these issues.  Wasn't it McCain, about 6 months ago that asked Obama to do a series of town hall debates across the US?

This is the third time since the Democratic convention that Obama has asked to "debate" the issues.

McCain's offer to hold unscripted town hall meetings is still on the table, yet the Messiah keeps declining the offer.  

What's he afraid of?

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Wasn't it you who told me that Google was my friend?

http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/08/21/official-2008-obama-mccain-presidential-debate-schedule/

Take some of your own medicine maybe.

Do I see a Town Hall style debate on there?

Yep.

McCain's been asking him to do town hall debates for at least 6 months now.  In fact, the offer to have them RIGHT NOW still stands.

Obama keeps begging for a "debate" on the issues, but keeps declining McCain's offer, rather opting for forced debates towards the end of the campaign that are mandatory for every presidential candidate.

Obama could get his wish RIGHT NOW, but keeps declining the offer.  What the hell is he waiting for?

IPLAW took a quote out of context, again, and turned a true statement into a lie.

You know Ipsqueak, this tactic of twisting honest comments and bending their meaning to fit your diversionary motives is shameful and not fit for any intelligent discussion.

None the less, Obama will hand McCain (R-Idiot) his head in a one on one debate. Obama is intelligent. McCain is stupid. Three debates. By Oct.15th, the coming landslide will be revealed. America is not that stupid.

IF THEY ELECT McCAIN AND MS. HOCKEY MOM … THIS COUNTRY’S GOING STRAIGHT TO H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS. TRUST THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ON THIS!

But six months ago O'bama was not the candidate.  How would that have worked?

He's been offering to have debates since Obama was the presumptive nominee, which was months ago.

Obama has been pining for a "debate" since the convention, yet the offer to have these unscripted debates still goes ignored.

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Originally posted by iplaw

McCain's been asking him to do town hall debates for at least 6 months now.  In fact, the offer to have them RIGHT NOW still stands.

Obama keeps begging for a "debate" on the issues, but keeps declining McCain's offer, rather opting for forced debates towards the end of the campaign that are mandatory for every presidential candidate.

Obama could get his wish RIGHT NOW, but keeps declining the offer.  What the hell is he waiting for?

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Probably the same thing McSame's running mate is waiting for?  [?]  [:O]

I don't recall Biden asking Palin to do a debate recently.  Got any sources on that?

And if he reeeaaallly wanted to debate he could have dialed one up right after the convention, months of invitations b4 he was the nominee notwithstanding.

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Originally posted by iplaw

I don't recall Biden asking Palin to do a debate recently.  Got any sources on that?

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I don't recall Palin being anywhere to answer the question if asked, except being prepped by McCain handlers.

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Originally posted by tim huntzinger

And if he reeeaaallly wanted to debate he could have dialed one up right after the convention, months of invitations b4 he was the nominee notwithstanding.

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Exactly.  It's a ploy by the Obama campaign to make it look as if McCain doesn't really want to debate the issues.

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Originally posted by Hoss

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Originally posted by iplaw

I don't recall Biden asking Palin to do a debate recently.  Got any sources on that?

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I don't recall Palin being anywhere to answer the question if asked, except being prepped by McCain handlers.

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Wow.  You're quite impressive.  Anything else Threadcrapper?

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Originally posted by iplaw

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Originally posted by Hoss

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Originally posted by iplaw

I don't recall Biden asking Palin to do a debate recently.  Got any sources on that?

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I don't recall Palin being anywhere to answer the question if asked, except being prepped by McCain handlers.

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Wow.  You're quite impressive.  Anything else Threadcrapper?

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That's all, dipstick.

[}:)]

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Originally posted by iplaw

Here is a quote from the Obama earlier:

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"These are serious times and they call for a serious debate...spare me all the phony outrage. Spare me all the phony talk about change," he said.

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Finally, this guy decides that we should "debate" these issues.  Wasn't it McCain, about 6 months ago that asked Obama to do a series of town hall debates across the US?

This is the third time since the Democratic convention that Obama has asked to "debate" the issues.

McCain's offer to hold unscripted town hall meetings is still on the table, yet the Messiah keeps declining the offer.  

What's he afraid of?

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Sometimes the finer shadings of meaning seem to escape you, IP.  For a lawyer, that surprises me.  

Doesn't seem to me that Obama's asking for "debates," so much as he's asking for "a debate."  Maybe we can state it better by saying he's not looking for an event to occur, he's looking for a more dignified dialogue.  And McCain, let's be honest, doesn't really want to have any sort of dialogue.  He's made plain the kind of contest he wants to have, and that's a  pretty dirty one. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs") He sure doesn't want to talk about issues, that's for sure.

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Originally posted by we vs us

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Originally posted by iplaw

Here is a quote from the Obama earlier:

quote:

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"These are serious times and they call for a serious debate...spare me all the phony outrage. Spare me all the phony talk about change," he said.

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Finally, this guy decides that we should "debate" these issues.  Wasn't it McCain, about 6 months ago that asked Obama to do a series of town hall debates across the US?

This is the third time since the Democratic convention that Obama has asked to "debate" the issues.

McCain's offer to hold unscripted town hall meetings is still on the table, yet the Messiah keeps declining the offer.  

What's he afraid of?

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Sometimes the finer shadings of meaning seem to escape you, IP.  For a lawyer, that surprises me.  

Doesn't seem to me that Obama's asking for "debates," so much as he's asking for "a debate."  Maybe we can state it better by saying he's not looking for an event to occur, he's looking for a more dignified dialogue.  And McCain, let's be honest, doesn't really want to have any sort of dialogue.  He's made plain the kind of contest he wants to have, and that's a  pretty dirty one. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs") He sure doesn't want to talk about issues, that's for sure.

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Especially when his campaign manager has said exactly those words.  That doesn't come across as wanting exactly a constructive dialogue between candidates, who I am positive, both want to help this country.  I just cannot vote for McCain on the grounds of 4 more years of the same.  He hasn't presented any more detailed information about how he's going to change healthcare reform, how he's going to get us out of Iraq (if he truly wants us out) and how he's going to work at getting our economy back on track.

Look, I know how it is; I have to take care of my handicapped mother on a daily basis.  She is on SSI and Soonercare and dealing with the government on what seems like a daily basis has probably hardened me to the current administration.

Something's gotta give.

If Ip is indeed a lieyar, he's too busy here to be any good at it....he's definately no trial lieyar, more like a trivial lawyer. Any good judge would have kicked him out of court for his flagrant disregard for the rule of law and for lying.

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Doesn't seem to me that Obama's asking for "debates," so much as he's asking for "a debate."

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You really are a good little liberal aren't you?  Care to debate the meaning of the word "is" again? Nice spin though.

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Originally posted by FOTD

If Ip is indeed a lieyar, he's too busy here to be any good at it....he's definately no trial lieyar, more like a trivial lawyer. Any good judge would have kicked him out of court for his flagrant disregard for the rule of law and for lying.

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If I had your nose full of nickles I wouldn't have to work another day in my life sniffer.

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Originally posted by iplaw

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Doesn't seem to me that Obama's asking for "debates," so much as he's asking for "a debate."

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You really are a good little liberal aren't you?  Care to debate the meaning of the word "is" again? Nice spin though.

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It's not spin.  It's English.  You should read more carefully.  Or care about what you read.

I prefer candidates that don't require "reading between the lines" to interpret what they say.  He's got no interest in debating anything.  An unscripted, teleprompterless debate is like kryptonite to Obama.  Look no further than his interview with Oreilly over the last couple of nights.  He looked like a fool and was easily manhandled.

Teleprompterless.....LMAO....WTH.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

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Originally posted by iplaw

Here is a quote from the Obama earlier:

quote:

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"These are serious times and they call for a serious debate...spare me all the phony outrage. Spare me all the phony talk about change," he said.

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Finally, this guy decides that we should "debate" these issues.  Wasn't it McCain, about 6 months ago that asked Obama to do a series of town hall debates across the US?

This is the third time since the Democratic convention that Obama has asked to "debate" the issues.

McCain's offer to hold unscripted town hall meetings is still on the table, yet the Messiah keeps declining the offer.  

What's he afraid of?

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I think what he's saying is that he's going to have debates, and he's looking forward to them.

Simple, no?

Bet, gee Wally, don't we always have umpteen town hall style debates every four years for an upcoming presidential election?!?

Oh wait....  We don't.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/debates/history/

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/debates/history.story/intro2.html

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Originally posted by iplaw

I prefer candidates that don't require "reading between the lines" to interpret what they say.  He's got no interest in debating anything.  An unscripted, teleprompterless debate is like kryptonite to Obama.  Look no further than his interview with Oreilly over the last couple of nights.  He looked like a fool and was easily manhandled.

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IP you keep surprising me.  You're obviously an educated guy, and yet seem to prefer your politics predigested.  Sounds like you're looking for talking points rather than policy. Which is cool, and makes talking on message boards like this one pretty easy. Line em up, knock em down, right?  But you know, if you wanted to plant yourself down in front of the tube two Friday's from now you might get a load of what you're so obviously yearning for.  No, not America's Got Talent, the first Presidential debate. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a doozy.  The good news is that at least one of the candidates has been campaigning for 18 months now, and has already participated in something like 26 debates already so here's hoping that you see something that looks, to you, unteleprompterish, genuine, and/or more compelling than your daily dose of O'Reilly.  

Of course, now that I say it, I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally posted by we vs us

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Originally posted by iplaw

I prefer candidates that don't require "reading between the lines" to interpret what they say.  He's got no interest in debating anything.  An unscripted, teleprompterless debate is like kryptonite to Obama.  Look no further than his interview with Oreilly over the last couple of nights.  He looked like a fool and was easily manhandled.

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IP you keep surprising me.  You're obviously an educated guy, and yet seem to prefer your politics predigested.  Sounds like you're looking for talking points rather than policy. Which is cool, and makes talking on message boards like this one pretty easy. Line em up, knock em down, right?  But you know, if you wanted to plant yourself down in front of the tube two Friday's from now you might get a load of what you're so obviously yearning for.  No, not America's Got Talent, the first Presidential debate. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a doozy.  The good news is that at least one of the candidates has been campaigning for 18 months now, and has already participated in something like 26 debates already so here's hoping that you see something that looks, to you, unteleprompterish, genuine, and/or more compelling than your daily dose of O'Reilly.  

Of course, now that I say it, I'm not holding my breath.

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Every four years, each candidate makes some sort of demand that the two candidates debate a certain way, and when the other candidate doesn't completely capitulate to all of the terms for the debate, the first candidate tries to use that politically.  In other words:  he/she is afraid to debate me because he/she won't debate me at the exact time, place & manner that I demand.  We all know that eventually they reach a compromise, and they debate.

But this is the first time I have seen McCain's tactic.  On two occasions now, McCain was asked why he was sponsoring deceptive ads against Obama.  His response?  If Obama had just agreed to town hall debates, everything would be soo much different.  In other words, it's Obama's own fault that McCain is airing vicious, deceitful ads.  I guess McCain only plays nice when you play by his rules and his rules alone.