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Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Nick Danger on September 16, 2008, 08:49:37 pm
This has probably been asked before, but what is being built between Best Buy and Mathis Brothers, visible from Hwy 169?


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Hoss on September 16, 2008, 09:12:49 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Danger

This has probably been asked before, but what is being built between Best Buy and Mathis Brothers, visible from Hwy 169?



Dave and Busters.  I hear completion is probably in January.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: citizen72 on September 16, 2008, 09:47:40 pm
I am sorry but what is a "Dave and Busters?"


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: citizen72 on September 16, 2008, 09:52:12 pm
Opps, never mind. Now I remember being in one in Dallas. Quite a place and great food. They must think their draw will be quite strong locating it off the "Strip."


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Hoss on September 16, 2008, 10:05:06 pm
http://www.daveandbusters.com


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Nik on September 17, 2008, 08:14:50 am
The wife and I drove back by this place on Monday. This is obviously supposed to be an attraction, but the road that leads to it does not appear to be built for heavy traffic. Is this a concern? Or will the traffic impact be minimal?


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: T Badd on September 17, 2008, 10:14:40 am
Just looking at the structure they're erecting...this will be the smallest D&Bs that I've ever seen. I've only visited the two in Denver/Boulder and the Dallas location, but it just seems really tiny compared to those.

Still, it'll be a good alternative to Incredible Pizza for those of us wanting to play without as many kids around.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Hoss on September 17, 2008, 09:39:10 pm
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

quote:
Originally posted by T Badd

Just looking at the structure they're erecting...this will be the smallest D&Bs that I've ever seen. I've only visited the two in Denver/Boulder and the Dallas location, but it just seems really tiny compared to those.

Still, it'll be a good alternative to Incredible Pizza for those of us wanting to play without as many kids around.



its not D&B, its the aloft hotel.



Are they building something else on that lot?  Because D&Bs has been announced on that parcel since early summer.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: swake on September 17, 2008, 09:40:44 pm
The sign in front of the building says Dave and Busters. But what do they know...


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: sgrizzle on September 18, 2008, 06:17:33 am
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Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: TUalum0982 on September 18, 2008, 10:17:21 am
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Originally posted by sgrizzle

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Spoke to someone today who works for D&B's and he stated that they are scheduled to open sometime around December.



Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: TheArtist on September 18, 2008, 10:36:35 am
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

quote:
Originally posted by T Badd

Just looking at the structure they're erecting...this will be the smallest D&Bs that I've ever seen. I've only visited the two in Denver/Boulder and the Dallas location, but it just seems really tiny compared to those.

Still, it'll be a good alternative to Incredible Pizza for those of us wanting to play without as many kids around.



its not D&B, its the aloft hotel.



A 1 story hotel? Interesting.



Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: TUalum0982 on September 19, 2008, 06:55:07 pm
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

PUD-595-B 6514 18c/8 3/19/2008 Sisemore Weisz & Associates Aloft Hotel-Anish Hotel Group Approx. 1/3 mile E. of S. Mingo & 1/3 mile N. of 71st St. S. (NW of intersection of 68th South & S. 104th E. Ave.)



I will take the word of an executive for D&B.  They would not be flying in for nothing.  They also would not be just telling people a random date in which they plan to open here in Tulsa.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: swake on September 19, 2008, 07:15:49 pm
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

PUD-595-B 6514 18c/8 3/19/2008 Sisemore Weisz & Associates Aloft Hotel-Anish Hotel Group Approx. 1/3 mile E. of S. Mingo & 1/3 mile N. of 71st St. S. (NW of intersection of 68th South & S. 104th E. Ave.)




The Dave and Busters is being built on an out parcel of the hotel site. D&B has almost completed construction and I don't think the Hotel has even started.

D&B is supposed to open in December but the Hotel doesn't open until November 2009.

https://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=3143


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Hoss on September 19, 2008, 08:16:01 pm
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

PUD-595-B 6514 18c/8 3/19/2008 Sisemore Weisz & Associates Aloft Hotel-Anish Hotel Group Approx. 1/3 mile E. of S. Mingo & 1/3 mile N. of 71st St. S. (NW of intersection of 68th South & S. 104th E. Ave.)



http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectID=46&articleID=20080622_46_E2_hComme372695


By Staff Reports
6/22/2008
Last Modified: 6/22/2008  3:44 AM

Commercial Building Permits


(Listed by owner, tenant or building name. Weekly update lists new commercial construction, expansions and enlargements of more than $50,000. Information is from initial applications and is subject to change. Dollar amount is valuation declared by owner.)

White Owl-Colonial Building , 1325 E. 15th St., interior alteration-restaurant, $225,000.

Kirby Smith Machinery , 12321 E. Pine St., warehouse addition, $126,526.68.

Tulsa Hills-Out Parcel 2 , 7145 S. Olympia Ave., shell building, $964,287.67.

Dave & Buster's , 6812 S. 105th East Ave., new restaurant, $4.8 million.

Williams Tower I/Plaza Level , 101 E. Second St., interior alteration-coffee bar, $300,000.

Aircraft Turbine Support , 6501 E. Apache St., interior alteration-office space, $100,000.

Williams Tower I/34th Floor , 101 E. 2nd St., interior alteration-office remodel, $495,319.

One Warren Place/Sixth Floor , 6100 S. Yale Ave., interior alteration-office remodel, $432,000


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: TheArtist on September 19, 2008, 09:28:15 pm
Hehe, I remember the Aloft was going in that area, but whats going in right now is the Dave and Busters. If the hotel is still going to be built, it will be going in next door.



Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Composer on September 19, 2008, 09:45:38 pm
I believe the hotel will be next to Dave & Busters.  The D&B is sitting on a pad site for the hotel development.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: sgrizzle on September 20, 2008, 09:13:07 pm
Yes, and our Casa Bonita is weak compared to their too, but they are a much larger city.

The address for Aloft put's it behind David's Bridal, not behind Best Buy.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: tulsascoot on September 23, 2008, 04:50:45 pm
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

Yes, and our Casa Bonita is weak compared to their too, but they are a much larger city.

The address for Aloft put's it behind David's Bridal, not behind Best Buy.



And I though Casa Bonita was just weak.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Hoss on September 23, 2008, 05:04:32 pm
quote:
Originally posted by tulsascoot

quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

Yes, and our Casa Bonita is weak compared to their too, but they are a much larger city.

The address for Aloft put's it behind David's Bridal, not behind Best Buy.



And I though Casa Bonita was just weak.



The current incarnation's food is, that's for sure.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: sgrizzle on September 23, 2008, 06:28:43 pm
quote:
Originally posted by tulsascoot

quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

Yes, and our Casa Bonita is weak compared to their too, but they are a much larger city.

The address for Aloft put's it behind David's Bridal, not behind Best Buy.



And I though Casa Bonita was just weak.



Sometimes you don't get it right the first time. Reliving the first time is not the same as improving. Denver's Casa Bonita is a major tourist attraction, complete with it's own South Park episode.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Hoss on September 23, 2008, 07:37:58 pm
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:
Originally posted by tulsascoot

quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

Yes, and our Casa Bonita is weak compared to their too, but they are a much larger city.

The address for Aloft put's it behind David's Bridal, not behind Best Buy.



And I though Casa Bonita was just weak.



Sometimes you don't get it right the first time. Reliving the first time is not the same as improving. Denver's Casa Bonita is a major tourist attraction, complete with it's own South Park episode.



If that's the case, then PF Chang's should be as well, complete with a stoned towel...


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Townsend on September 24, 2008, 08:49:02 am
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:
Originally posted by tulsascoot

quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

Yes, and our Casa Bonita is weak compared to their too, but they are a much larger city.

The address for Aloft put's it behind David's Bridal, not behind Best Buy.



And I though Casa Bonita was just weak.



Sometimes you don't get it right the first time. Reliving the first time is not the same as improving. Denver's Casa Bonita is a major tourist attraction, complete with it's own South Park episode.



Didn't we get an episode with "Million Child Blow"?  It was the brown noise episode.

I believe Mr Garrison is from our area too.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: TURobY on September 24, 2008, 09:17:05 am
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend


Didn't we get an episode with "Million Child Blow"?  It was the brown noise episode.

I believe Mr Garrison is from our area too.



No, the concert was going to be in Oklahoma City, but was redirected to Little Rock after a flood. Little Rock is considered Mr. Garrison's hometown.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Kashmir on September 24, 2008, 10:00:25 am
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

PUD-595-B 6514 18c/8 3/19/2008 Sisemore Weisz & Associates Aloft Hotel-Anish Hotel Group Approx. 1/3 mile E. of S. Mingo & 1/3 mile N. of 71st St. S. (NW of intersection of 68th South & S. 104th E. Ave.)



I keep reading that as "Amish Hotel Group"


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Townsend on September 24, 2008, 11:42:39 am
quote:
Originally posted by TURobY

quote:
Originally posted by Townsend


Didn't we get an episode with "Million Child Blow"?  It was the brown noise episode.

I believe Mr Garrison is from our area too.



No, the concert was going to be in Oklahoma City, but was redirected to Little Rock after a flood. Little Rock is considered Mr. Garrison's hometown.



Oh right.  My bad.  We had Chandler Bing.


Title: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: sgrizzle on September 24, 2008, 12:08:42 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kashmir

quote:
Originally posted by inteller

PUD-595-B 6514 18c/8 3/19/2008 Sisemore Weisz & Associates Aloft Hotel-Anish Hotel Group Approx. 1/3 mile E. of S. Mingo & 1/3 mile N. of 71st St. S. (NW of intersection of 68th South & S. 104th E. Ave.)



I keep reading that as "Amish Hotel Group"



They are cozy rooms with nice quilts and furniture, but no TV's or elevators.


Title: Re: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: joiei on September 22, 2009, 02:55:34 pm
It looks like the Aloft Hotel is going in as promised.   I stayed at the one in Plano, cool hotel.


Title: Re: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 22, 2009, 03:18:03 pm
Aloft is apparently owned by Starwood Hotels (also own Westin and Sheraton) .  They have a placeholder page for Tulsa's Aloft:

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Aloft Tulsa - Opening July 1, 2010

For information on careers at Aloft Tulsa - Opening July 1, 2010, please use the contact details below.
Physical Address

    * Highway 169 and 71st Street
    * Tulsa, Oklahoma 74014
    * United States

Phone: To be Announced
Fax: To be Announced

. . .


Pre-Opening Information

The aloft Tulsa is currently accepting inquiries at the pre-opening office, which is located at the address listed above. This is also the hotel's physical address. Individual hotel reservations are not being accepted at this time.

http://www.starwoodhotels.com/alofthotels/property/overview/contact.html?propertyID=3143

139 guest rooms listed.  There are 66 Aloft hotels currently around the world and about 50 on the way.   

Some sample room images:
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/alofthotels/property/photos/index.html?propertyID=3143#photo_section_1Link



Title: Re: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: TUalum0982 on September 22, 2009, 06:49:07 pm
Aloft is apparently owned by Starwood Hotels (also own Westin and Sheraton) .  They have a placeholder page for Tulsa's Aloft:

http://www.starwoodhotels.com/alofthotels/property/overview/contact.html?propertyID=3143

139 guest rooms listed.  There are 66 Aloft hotels currently around the world and about 50 on the way.   

Some sample room images:
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/alofthotels/property/photos/index.html?propertyID=3143#photo_section_1Link




I am not trying to argue CF, but from driving by it looks like it should be complete way before July 2010.  Also, ALOFT hotels are similar to a hyatt place.  The old Amerisuites at 71st and yale was converted to a Hyatt Place.  They both seem to have the same style of room, with the modern decor, order breakfast from the touch screen computer and similar front desk areas.  Nice hotel, and can usually be found for a decent price.


Title: Re: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: we vs us on September 22, 2009, 07:20:36 pm
Yeah, I think they're on target for an early opening.  They could be done by late Spring if they wanted to.  They may be trying to wait out the downturn, though.  Limited service hotels are overbuilt nationwide, and they're fighting each other tooth and nail for what business there is.

The aloft won't necessarily have this problem, but similarity among brands tends to seriously muddy the water.  The differences between a fairfield inn, a hampton inn, a holiday Inn expresss, a comfort suites, staybridge suites, a springhill suites, or a clarion inn are almost impossible to tell -- from inside or outside.  Aside from your loyalty card, the difference is almost nil.


Title: Re: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Kashmir on September 22, 2009, 09:03:36 pm
Yeah, I think they're on target for an early opening.  They could be done by late Spring if they wanted to.  They may be trying to wait out the downturn, though.  Limited service hotels are overbuilt nationwide, and they're fighting each other tooth and nail for what business there is.

The aloft won't necessarily have this problem, but similarity among brands tends to seriously muddy the water.  The differences between a fairfield inn, a hampton inn, a holiday Inn expresss, a comfort suites, staybridge suites, a springhill suites, or a clarion inn are almost impossible to tell -- from inside or outside.  Aside from your loyalty card, the difference is almost nil.

When I need a stopover place, I seriously consider one factor...is the indoor pool freezing cold or swimmable?  If it is, awesome, kids can swim themselves to sleep (after a good scrubbing ;))  The Hampton Inn OKC Bricktown has a really nice pool setup for kids.  Breakfast, who cares?  Comflort Sleep mattress?  They are all crappy. 


(http://hamptoninn.hilton.com/en/hotels/content/OKCBTHX/media/images/photo_gallery/OKCBTHX_Hampton_Inn_and_Suites_Oklahoma_City-Bricktown_gallery_leisure_pool2_small.jpg)


Title: Re: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: SXSW on September 22, 2009, 10:01:18 pm
The Hampton Inn OKC Bricktown has a really nice pool setup for kids.  Breakfast, who cares?  Comflort Sleep mattress?  They are all crappy. 

(http://hamptoninn.hilton.com/en/hotels/content/OKCBTHX/media/images/photo_gallery/OKCBTHX_Hampton_Inn_and_Suites_Oklahoma_City-Bricktown_gallery_leisure_pool2_small.jpg)

That Hampton Inn is nice and adds a lot to Bricktown.  I think something similar at 8-10 stories right up to the street like the one in OKC would do well in Blue Dome, maybe on that parking lot at the northeast corner of 1st & Detroit.  Then get that vacant brick building at 1st & Elgin renovated into a restaurant, or better, a microbrewery and that stretch of 1st could look pretty good.

Anyway, while the location is odd I think having an Aloft is good for Tulsa.  It would've have been cool to see this by the BOK Center (where a hotel is planned) though, instead of some other chain that will probably end up there. 


Title: Re: 71st & Hwy 169 Behind Best Buy
Post by: Renaissance on September 23, 2009, 09:24:17 am

Anyway, while the location is odd I think having an Aloft is good for Tulsa.  It would've have been cool to see this by the BOK Center (where a hotel is planned) though, instead of some other chain that will probably end up there. 

It's good because when this location succeeds they may consider another, and downtown would be a logical step.