The devil's already predicted Rice. Could it be that old conservative woman from Taxas, Bailey-Hutchison?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/palin-should-step-down-conservative-commentator-says/
September 26, 2008
Palin should step down, conservative commentator says
"Prominent conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early supporter of Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, said Friday recent interviews have shown the Alaska governor is "out of her league" and should leave the GOP presidential ticket for the good of the party."
Part of McCrazies judgment at work here.
So, who replcaes Mrs. Todd Palin?
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Originally posted by FOTD
The devil's already predicted Rice. Could it be that old conservative woman from Taxas, Bailey-Hutchison?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/palin-should-step-down-conservative-commentator-says/
September 26, 2008
Palin should step down, conservative commentator says
"Prominent conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early supporter of Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, said Friday recent interviews have shown the Alaska governor is "out of her league" and should leave the GOP presidential ticket for the good of the party."
Part of McCrazies judgment at work here.
So, who replcaes Mrs. Todd Palin?
Todd Palin? Would be just as smart of a choice.
Mr. Burns
Bob Barr for President
Miss Alabama.
Yep, some obscure columnist finally makes a name for herself. All over for Palin now.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Yep, some obscure columnist finally makes a name for herself. All over for Palin now.
A
RIGHT WING columnist at that!
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
Yep, some obscure columnist finally makes a name for herself. All over for Palin now.
So I guess George Will is an obscure columnist too?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202441.html
Mr. Burns
Bob Barr for President
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Originally posted by Conan71
Yep, some obscure columnist finally makes a name for herself. All over for Palin now.
Not that obscure. Actually pretty hi-falutin':
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Kathleen Parker is an American syndicated columnist. Her columns frequently focus on family, sex roles, and race. Her column is syndicated nationally by The Washington Post Writers Group. Parker is a consulting faculty member at the Buckley School of Public Speaking, and makes appearances on television shows like The O'Reilly Factor and The Chris Matthews Show.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker
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Originally posted by we vs us
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
Yep, some obscure columnist finally makes a name for herself. All over for Palin now.
Not that obscure. Actually pretty hi-falutin':
quote:
Kathleen Parker is an American syndicated columnist. Her columns frequently focus on family, sex roles, and race. Her column is syndicated nationally by The Washington Post Writers Group. Parker is a consulting faculty member at the Buckley School of Public Speaking, and makes appearances on television shows like The O'Reilly Factor and The Chris Matthews Show.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker
Dude, Wiki doesn't make someone noted or notable. For some reason no one I know could place her w/o Googling her name.
Wake me up when an RNC house organ player makes this declaration (Hannity, Rush, or O'Reilly).
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Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us
QuoteOriginally posted by Conan71
Yep, some obscure columnist finally makes a name for herself. All over for Palin now.
...
Wake me up when an RNC house organ player makes this declaration (Hannity, Rush, or O'Reilly).
I'm guessing that won't happen except under threat of death or dismemberment....
Wasn't it Rush saying at one point after the 06 elections that he felt relieved that he didn't have to carry the republicans water anymore?
That didn't last long.
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Originally posted by Hoss
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by we vs us
QuoteOriginally posted by Conan71
Yep, some obscure columnist finally makes a name for herself. All over for Palin now.
...
Wake me up when an RNC house organ player makes this declaration (Hannity, Rush, or O'Reilly).
I'm guessing that won't happen except under threat of death or dismemberment....
Wasn't it Rush saying at one point after the 06 elections that he felt relieved that he didn't have to carry the republicans water anymore?
That didn't last long.
Was that before or after he was in re-hab?
I got $25 on Palin to leave the ticket. I got twenty to one odds two weeks ago.
The odds are now down to sixteen to one.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I got $25 on Palin to leave the ticket. I got twenty to one odds two weeks ago.
The odds are now down to sixteen to one.
You're looking a little smarter than at lunch last week. Still, I don't think he has time to do it. Assuming he gets elected, she'll disappear in a tragic moose hunting trip with the former VP.[;)]
I agree, Waterboy. Not enough time at this point to drop her, introduce someone new, and sell it to the public.
Then again, that certainly would be a "maverick" thing to do (and by maverick, I once again mean irrational and reckless)
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
I agree, Waterboy. Not enough time at this point to drop her, introduce someone new, and sell it to the public.
Then again, that certainly would be a "maverick" thing to do (and by maverick, I once again mean irrational and reckless)
By my estimation, there is a much higher chance that OBAMA will drop Biden as his VP and re-select Hillary, than McCain dropping Palin.
2:1 odds?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
I agree, Waterboy. Not enough time at this point to drop her, introduce someone new, and sell it to the public.
Then again, that certainly would be a "maverick" thing to do (and by maverick, I once again mean irrational and reckless)
By my estimation, there is a much higher chance that OBAMA will drop Biden as his VP and re-select Hillary, than McCain dropping Palin.
2:1 odds?
Once again FB, pass the doob....
Today is the first time I heard of her........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker
Kathleen Parker is an American syndicated columnist. Her columns frequently focus on family, sex roles, and race. Her column is syndicated nationally by The Washington Post Writers Group. Parker is a consulting faculty member at the Buckley School of Public Speaking, and makes appearances on television shows like The O'Reilly Factor and The Chris Matthews Show.
Parker is the author Save the Males: Why Men Matter, Why Women Should Care (New York: Random House, 2008).
Parker grew up in Winter Haven, Florida, and attended Converse College before transferring to the University of San Francisco for a year of study in Spain, majoring in Spanish Literature. She holds a Master's degree in the subject.
She is married to an attorney, has three sons, and currently resides in Camden, South Carolina.[1] Her mother died when she was young, and she has had four stepmothers, and has been a stepmother herself.[1]
Parker made news during the 2008 U.S. presidential election when she called on Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin to step down from the party ticket after a series of media interviews of Palin revealed what Parker believed to be Palin's insufficient experience to hold the position.[2][3][4]
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Originally posted by unreliablesource
Today is the first time I heard of her........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker
Kathleen Parker is an American syndicated columnist. Her columns frequently focus on family, sex roles, and race. Her column is syndicated nationally by The Washington Post Writers Group. Parker is a consulting faculty member at the Buckley School of Public Speaking, and makes appearances on television shows like The O'Reilly Factor and The Chris Matthews Show.
Parker is the author Save the Males: Why Men Matter, Why Women Should Care (New York: Random House, 2008).
Parker grew up in Winter Haven, Florida, and attended Converse College before transferring to the University of San Francisco for a year of study in Spain, majoring in Spanish Literature. She holds a Master's degree in the subject.
She is married to an attorney, has three sons, and currently resides in Camden, South Carolina.[1] Her mother died when she was young, and she has had four stepmothers, and has been a stepmother herself.[1]
Parker made news during the 2008 U.S. presidential election when she called on Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin to step down from the party ticket after a series of media interviews of Palin revealed what Parker believed to be Palin's insufficient experience to hold the position.[2][3][4]
I find it ironic she writes on family values and has had 4 step mothers and has been one herself.
Gee, guess I'm the only one...
She used to be in the opinions page in the Chicago Tribune once or twice a week... predictable social conservative but started to write as though she thought the republican party was losing touch with her... especially after the Abu Gharib stuff...
She tends to be "in the tank" for Lindsay Graham...
Kathleen Parker: "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself."
Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
[B)]
Parker is starting to sound kind of like an Andrew Sullivan "conservative"
She was a hockey mom when hockey wasn't cool. She's one of Palin's main constituencies.
Yeah, she's a syndicated columnist, not a firebreather like Hannity or O'Reilly but shows up interchangeably in the Opinion and Society and Culture sections. She's a low key, suburban conservative mom, and I've seen her column in the Sun Times but also in local and regional papers all across the country. She's got a higher profile than you'd think.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Parker is starting to sound kind of like an Andrew Sullivan "conservative"
...except they're polar opposites on social issues and Sullivan is much more conservative on economic issues... just try comparing their views on "gays in Scouts" sometime... [}:)]
This is a big surprise. I thought I coulda predicted Kathleen Parker as "in the tank" for Sarah Palin. She'd at least give Palin every benefit of the doubt. Parker has always hated dem feminists...
So,
we vs us, I guess I can't remember whether I read Kathleen Parker in the SunTimes or Tribune... somehow I thought it was the Trib along with the stuff from Steve Chapman and Molly Ivins (RIP)...
Funny, how earlier this decade, I remember reading Molly Ivins in the Chicago Tribune and FOTD's fav Maureen Dowd in the Tulsa World (2001-02?)... kinda ironic... or maybe memory is the first thing to go.... [;)]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
I agree, Waterboy. Not enough time at this point to drop her, introduce someone new, and sell it to the public.
Then again, that certainly would be a "maverick" thing to do (and by maverick, I once again mean irrational and reckless)
By my estimation, there is a much higher chance that OBAMA will drop Biden as his VP and re-select Hillary, than McCain dropping Palin.
2:1 odds?
While true, Obama's self-preservation will not allow this, didn't already.
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
I agree, Waterboy. Not enough time at this point to drop her, introduce someone new, and sell it to the public.
Then again, that certainly would be a "maverick" thing to do (and by maverick, I once again mean irrational and reckless)
By my estimation, there is a much higher chance that OBAMA will drop Biden as his VP and re-select Hillary, than McCain dropping Palin.
2:1 odds?
While true, Obama's self-preservation will not allow this, didn't already.
You mean Obama doesn't want to have a Food Taster in his royal entourage for the next four years??
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by pmcalk
I agree, Waterboy. Not enough time at this point to drop her, introduce someone new, and sell it to the public.
Then again, that certainly would be a "maverick" thing to do (and by maverick, I once again mean irrational and reckless)
By my estimation, there is a much higher chance that OBAMA will drop Biden as his VP and re-select Hillary, than McCain dropping Palin.
2:1 odds?
While true, Obama's self-preservation will not allow this, didn't already.
You mean Obama doesn't want to have a Food Taster in his royal entourage for the next four years??
Exactly, but even that wouldn't cover all the potential (//%22http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4537130.ece%22).
"....control tower tapes show that the pilot of Mr Obama's plane demanded an emergency landing. At the time, both the FAA and Midwest Airlines insisted that there was no emergency."
Never heard any updated reports on this incident, have we?
I thought that statement above particularly odd since the FAA and/or Midwest Airlines wouldn't have a clue how the plane was flying at the time.
Please don't!!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/opinion/27herbert.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
September 27, 2008
McCain Replaces Palin with Startled Deer
Hoofed Running Mate Could be Game-changer
With less than a week to go before the crucial vice-presidential debate, GOP presidential nominee John McCain announced today that he was replacing his running mate, Alaska governor Sarah Palin, with a startled deer.
According to campaign insiders, the decision to select a hoofed mammal to replace Gov. Palin evolved after Sen. McCain watched his running mate's performance in a series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric.
"Good Lord, a startled deer could do better than that," Sen. McCain reportedly said, prompting his aides to draw up a shortlist of startled deer.
The Arizona senator supposedly brushed aside concerns that a startled deer would wilt under the pressure of a televised debate, telling aides, "At least a goddamn deer won't go on about Alaska being close to Russia."
The McCain campaign said today that Sen. McCain's new running mate, Bucky the Red Deer, would not be made available to the press prior to the debate.
"Bucky is very much a work in progress," said McCain campaign manager Rick Davis. "Right now we're working on keeping him from bolting off the stage."
Bucky's opponent in the upcoming debate, Delaware senator Joseph Biden, appeared today to be trying to manage expectations for the high-stakes face-off with his four-legged rival.
"Bucky the Red Deer is articulate, bright and clean," Sen. Biden said. "That's storybook, man."
Elsewhere, former "American Idol" star Clay Aiken revealed that he was gay in an exclusive interview with Duh magazine.
ANDY BOROWITZ
You think that's more obvious than the other stuff you make up?
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
You think that's more obvious than the other stuff you make up?
You sound like an old suit.....go get pressed!
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
Parker is starting to sound kind of like an Andrew Sullivan "conservative"
Lots of conservatives are now questioning the selection of Palin:
From FoxNews:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/28/conservatives-begin-questioning-palins-heft/
Palin won't be replaced, but I think the campaign will try just about anything to get her out of debating Biden. Not because Biden's some supernatural debater but because Palin's just so completely unready.
IMO, the debate will be difficult for Biden. He's got to find a way to show that he is the better candidate without looking like he's beating up on her.
Did anyone catch McCain on This Week? Stephanopolous asked him about critics of Palin, and whether he thought she was a good choice. McCain response was along the lines of "she brings excitement, she's popular, I'm excited about her, etc...."
Message to McCain--she isn't your prom date.
pmcalk, it's not hard to figure out where McCain's attitude comes from. The man with a much younger trophy wife simply picked a much younger trophy running mate.
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Originally posted by FOTD
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
You think that's more obvious than the other stuff you make up?
You sound like an old suit.....go get pressed!
His has something in it unlike your boy Nobama.....
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
You think that's more obvious than the other stuff you make up?
You sound like an old suit.....go get pressed!
His has something in it unlike your boy Nobama.....
Wow, that's original. [8)]
Has someone given McCain his eyedrops to keep him from blinking so much? Oh wait, he doesn't use eyedrops? Is that what was keeping him from making eye contact with Obama during the debate? Ah, I see...
So sorry.
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Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE
pmcalk, it's not hard to figure out where McCain's attitude comes from. The man with a much younger trophy wife simply picked a much younger trophy running mate.
^^[}:)]
And women wonder why we aren't taken seriously in this world. Apparently, it doesn't matter if you have education or experience (or can form a coherent thought)--if you're good looking and exciting, you can rule the world (provided you can find a older man to choose you).
It's the "Legally Blond" syndrome.
For anyone who missed last night's SNL:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042
I'm thinking more and more that Tina Fey would make a better VP.
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE
pmcalk, it's not hard to figure out where McCain's attitude comes from. The man with a much younger trophy wife simply picked a much younger trophy running mate.
^^[}:)]
And women wonder why we aren't taken seriously in this world. Apparently, it doesn't matter if you have education or experience (or can form a coherent thought)--if you're good looking and exciting, you can rule the world (provided you can find a older man to choose you).
It's the "Legally Blond" syndrome.
For anyone who missed last night's SNL:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042
I'm thinking more and more that Tina Fey would make a better VP.
At first, I laughed my donkey off when I watched that SNL skit. Then I paused and thought about it. It
would be hilarious, if it wasn't so accurate and painfully true.
The fact that this person has a chance to be voted into office, and potentially become the leader of our country should scare the hell out of anyone with a cognitive thought process.
If the McCain camp actually cared about the future of this country they would remove her from the ticket.
Keep it up, you guys are cracking me up.
I've never seen 'progressives' so afraid of a strong woman. And, you can't even see past her good looks.
Makes one wonder why none of this came up while she was clawing her way into the Governor's manson.
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
You think that's more obvious than the other stuff you make up?
You sound like an old suit.....go get pressed!
His has something in it unlike your boy Nobama.....
This got me to thinking Obama could probably impress a lot of 'progressives' by demonstrating how he can press his suits without removing them.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
Keep it up, you guys are cracking me up.
I've never seen 'progressives' so afraid of a strong woman. And, you can't even see past her good looks.
Makes one wonder why none of this came up while she was clawing her way into the Governor's manson.
Is 'progressive' the new Republican buzzword? Since they hijacked, misuse, and don't even understand the definition of 'liberal' I guess they needed a new one.
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy
If the McCain camp Democrats actually cared about the future of this country they would remove her Obama and Biden from the ticket.
There, fixed it for you.
Apparently, you must not be that sharp a lib or you'd know that "progressive" has been in the Democrat vernacular for ages.
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy
If the McCain camp Democrats actually cared about the future of this country they would remove her Obama and Biden from the ticket.
There, fixed it for you.
Apparently, you must not be that sharp a lib or you'd know that "progressive" has been in the Democrat vernacular for ages.
I actually hope they do keep her on the ticket. She's becoming a political burden now that so many conservatives are starting to speak out about her.
'Progressive' went away for awhile -- mostly after the New Deal and WW2. It's been adopted by the lefty webroots both because 'liberal' has been so successfully demonized and because it really does harken back to a great era of Democratic liberalism.
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us
'Progressive' went away for awhile -- mostly after the New Deal and WW2. It's been adopted by the lefty webroots both because 'liberal' has been so successfully demonized and because it really does harken back to a great era of Democratic liberalism.
Demonized? Hey that's my terror torrey. Crinkle, take Conman out for a pressing.
Here's the dailykos tracking poll....it oughta cause another wrinkle and give gweedodo and Ipsqueak and Conman some press material!http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/28/75413/3350/471/612782
Here's some press you need from Huff! But don't believe it for it too is progressive and could cause a wrinkle to appear!http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/vice-presidential-debate_n_129907.html
Vice Presidential Debate Expectations: Obama Camp Calls Palin "Terrific Debater" With a wire, I'm sure she will be. The devil hopes the Dems are smart enough to either set up a jammer or...better.......
eavesdrop on the link - Record the link and play it in REAL TIME on a website somewhere.
Debaiter: someone that removes bait from a trap or hook. Debaiter.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
Keep it up, you guys are cracking me up.
I've never seen 'progressives' so afraid of a strong woman. And, you can't even see past her good looks.
Makes one wonder why none of this came up while she was clawing her way into the Governor's manson.
Nobody cared when she was clawing her way into the Governor's mansion.
Frankly, I've never seen republicans so afraid of their very own vp candidate. Conservative Kristol says that McCain has done a disservice to her by keeping her locked up (//%22http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/opinion/29kristol.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin%22). Obviously, he recognizes that her performance lately is raising red flags. As Palin's poll numbers continue to drop, McCain has cancelled her appearences, and is flying her to Arizona for "debate camp" in a frantic effort to prepare her for Thursday.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Yeah. They're cramming her! They're pumping her. They'll find a way to place that wire. She's got a wide canal.....
This guy could use a major overhaul, for sure:
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/09/30/amd_biden_speaks.jpg)
But, as we all know, after all these years, he's uncontrollable and a chump, bound to lose whatever remaining support the O-man has.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
Keep it up, you guys are cracking me up.
I've never seen 'progressives' so afraid of a strong woman. And, you can't even see past her good looks.
Makes one wonder why none of this came up while she was clawing her way into the Governor's manson.
Uh...because nobody cares about the governor of Alaska...
Population of Alaska, 2006 Census:
670,053
Population of Tulsa County, 2006 Census:
577,795
We're not afraid of strong women. We're afraid of powerful incompetence.
Palin is clearly incompetent, and McCain must be, too, if he chose her for VP.
The good thing is that McCain's judgement is so bad that I actually have a shot at Secretary of the Treasury in a McCain administration... I once took Algebra, and I know how to shoot guns and catch/clean fish!
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
Yeah. They're cramming her! They're pumping her. They'll find a way to place that wire. She's got a wide canal.....
Wow, and I thought FB was disgusting.
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
Yeah. They're cramming her! They're pumping her. They'll find a way to place that wire. She's got a wide canal.....
That is uncalled for...
I have a question--can McCain actually replace Palin at this point? After all, voting has already started in some states. Couldn't that prove problematic?
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Originally posted by PonderInc
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
Keep it up, you guys are cracking me up.
I've never seen 'progressives' so afraid of a strong woman. And, you can't even see past her good looks.
Makes one wonder why none of this came up while she was clawing her way into the Governor's manson.
Uh...because nobody cares about the governor of Alaska...
Population of Alaska, 2006 Census:
670,053
Population of Tulsa County, 2006 Census:
577,795
We're not afraid of strong women. We're afraid of powerful incompetence.
Palin is clearly incompetent, and McCain must be, too, if he chose her for VP.
The good thing is that McCain's judgement is so bad that I actually have a shot at Secretary of the Treasury in a McCain administration... I once took Algebra, and I know how to shoot guns and catch/clean fish!
I would think they care about Alaska as much as people care about Oklahoma. Actually, the only people that look down on people in fly-over states like Oklahoma and Alaska are the effetes in the democratic party.
Also, what does it say about you that such an ignorant hack like Palin is so much more successful than you. You must be a really incompetent, untalented buffoon.
[B)]
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Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy
If the McCain camp Democrats actually cared about the future of this country they would remove her Obama and Biden from the ticket.
There, fixed it for you.
Apparently, you must not be that sharp a lib or you'd know that "progressive" has been in the Democrat vernacular for ages.
I'm not a 'lib'.
My point was that 'progressive' appears to now be the new word to hijack and misuse, much like 'liberal'.
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy
If the McCain camp Democrats actually cared about the future of this country they would remove her Obama and Biden from the ticket.
There, fixed it for you.
Apparently, you must not be that sharp a lib or you'd know that "progressive" has been in the Democrat vernacular for ages.
I'm not a 'lib'.
My point was that 'progressive' appears to now be the new word to hijack and misuse, much like 'liberal'.
Naw, I was pointing out how Democrats, who have been referring to themselves as 'progressive', aren't progressive enough to get by the sexist and stereotypical responses to a female candidate, at least when it's not in their party.
Personally, I'd never use 'progressive' as an adjective when speaking of Democrats.
You want labels?
IDIOTS!
That's a good one.
DUMBF*CKISTANIANS!
Progressive? As opposed to reactionaries?
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
I have a question--can McCain actually replace Palin at this point? After all, voting has already started in some states. Couldn't that prove problematic?
Ain't gonna happen anyway, stop worrying.
Ya'll will have to come up with another reason to contest the election.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
I have a question--can McCain actually replace Palin at this point? After all, voting has already started in some states. Couldn't that prove problematic?
Ain't gonna happen anyway, stop worrying.
Ya'll We will have to come up with another reason to contest the election.
There, fixed that for ya!
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy
If the McCain camp Democrats actually cared about the future of this country they would remove her Obama and Biden from the ticket.
There, fixed it for you.
Apparently, you must not be that sharp a lib or you'd know that "progressive" has been in the Democrat vernacular for ages.
I'm not a 'lib'.
My point was that 'progressive' appears to now be the new word to hijack and misuse, much like 'liberal'.
Naw, I was pointing out how Democrats, who have been referring to themselves as 'progressive', aren't progressive enough to get by the sexist and stereotypical responses to a female candidate, at least when it's not in their party.
Personally, I'd never use 'progressive' as an adjective when speaking of Democrats.
I love how Republicans are now crying 'sexism' to any and all criticism of Palin. Explain to me how the criticism or concerns raised over Palin is sexist, or for that matter, any different than the criticism given to Obama or any other candidate. Are you implying she is exempt because she is a woman? Now
that would be sexist. Again, misuse of words. Seems to be a theme here.
The woman is clearly out of her league and can't even form a coherent sentence in an interview, yet has the very real possibility of becoming the leader of our country. If you aren't concerned about that then you are seriously delusional.
Are these the same Republicans who lambasted Mondale-Ferraro as "Fritz-n-Tits" ???
Methinks the Republicans doth protest too much...
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Originally posted by USRufnex
Are these the same Republicans....
Methinks the Republicans doth protest too much...
Very much doubt so. Really, try to imagine a Republican using that at all, ever. A phrase like that could only be resurrected after 20 years by 'progressives', probably the same ones who initiated the thing.
For badaz puppy, it's not 'any' or 'all', just much is either that, stereotyped or flat just made up.
If she were as off as you all claim, she'd have never made Governor.
Then again, that doesn't well explain Henry either. And, it is your local party which achieved that, twice.
Sorry. I was there.... young republicans at play... let me jog your memory...
(http://www.vintagedepotdirect.com/media/PB27.jpg)
quote:
Explain to me how the criticism or concerns raised over Palin is sexist, or for that matter, any different than the criticism given to Obama or any other candidate.
....did you read this thread?
Do "prom date" and "trophy running mate" ring any bells? How 'bout devs' extraordinarily out of place remarks?
I learned here any woman can succeed, assuming she gets picked by the right old man.
I'll have to assume you either approve or simply can't see it. But, I wouldn't be impressed in either case.
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex
Sorry. I was there.... young republicans at play... let me jog your memory...
(http://www.vintagedepotdirect.com/media/PB27.jpg)
Wrinkle = (http://www.knitemare.org/cats/pwned.jpg)
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex
Sorry. I was there.... young republicans at play... let me jog your memory...
(http://www.vintagedepotdirect.com/media/PB27.jpg)
...I just knew we could count on you.
While we're at it, let's go back 24 years and pick up on race relations.
Sure, why not?
Jesse Helms in 1985: "I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true. I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men are equal, be they slants, beaners or ni****s."
How about this?
The Teflon Twins of 1988 (aka Jesse Jackson and Pat Robertson)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,966441,00.html
Or we can enjoy the irony of Republicans derisively referring to Obama as "the Messiah"... hmmm, isn't this the same party that gave us this...?!?
(http://www.4president.org/image/1988/patrobertson1988.gif)
"There is an enterprise the Lord set me on a year or so ago--running for president of the United States. Out of what seems to be defeat, we are laying the foundation for a great victory for this nation. It may not be in 1988...but I am not going to quit....I will run again in 1992. That is His plan for me and for this nation." --Pat Robertson, speaking at a fundamentalist church in Denver, 04/03/88.
Heh, heh...he said Conservative Progressive...
But Wrinkle said Liberals made up that word!?
They don't really go together well. Kind of like Military Intelligence or Conservative Values.
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
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Explain to me how the criticism or concerns raised over Palin is sexist, or for that matter, any different than the criticism given to Obama or any other candidate.
....did you read this thread?
Do "prom date" and "trophy running mate" ring any bells? How 'bout devs' extraordinarily out of place remarks?
I learned here any woman can succeed, assuming she gets picked by the right old man.
I'll have to assume you either approve or simply can't see it. But, I wouldn't be impressed in either case.
Oh, please. The reference to "prom date" and "trophy running mate" is to characterize the demeaning attitude that McCain clearly has towards women. This is someone who very likely could be the POTUS. When someone questions McCain about her qualifications, he responds "she's exciting", "I'm proud of her." Not that she has experience, qualifications, education, or anything that matters. Could you imagine if that were a male candidate? To say he's qualified because he "brings excitement"? What kind of message does that send to young girls? Don't worry about education, work experience, or any other serious stuff. If you can look cute, and make some cute pig & lipstick references, you can rule the world.
If McCain really thinks she is qualified, why doesn't he make an argument as to why, instead this ridiculous "excitement" stuff?
Did anyone else catch the interview with McCain & Palin together?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/29/eveningnews/main4487826.shtml
McCain seems very uncomfortable--maybe he's figuring out what a huge mistake he made?
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Originally posted by pmcalk
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
quote:
Explain to me how the criticism or concerns raised over Palin is sexist, or for that matter, any different than the criticism given to Obama or any other candidate.
....did you read this thread?
Do "prom date" and "trophy running mate" ring any bells? How 'bout devs' extraordinarily out of place remarks?
I learned here any woman can succeed, assuming she gets picked by the right old man.
I'll have to assume you either approve or simply can't see it. But, I wouldn't be impressed in either case.
Oh, please. The reference to "prom date" and "trophy running mate" is to characterize the demeaning attitude that McCain clearly has towards women. This is someone who very likely could be the POTUS. When someone questions McCain about her qualifications, he responds "she's exciting", "I'm proud of her." Not that she has experience, qualifications, education, or anything that matters. Could you imagine if that were a male candidate? To say he's qualified because he "brings excitement"? What kind of message does that send to young girls? Don't worry about education, work experience, or any other serious stuff. If you can look cute, and make some cute pig & lipstick references, you can rule the world.
If McCain really thinks she is qualified, why doesn't he make an argument as to why, instead this ridiculous "excitement" stuff?
Did anyone else catch the interview with McCain & Palin together?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/29/eveningnews/main4487826.shtml
McCain seems very uncomfortable--maybe he's figuring out what a huge mistake he made?
Biden thinks Obama is "clean" and "articulate".
He also has said Obama is inexperienced.
Here's another gem of a Biden quote:
"he criticized Obama and former Sen. John Edwards for "playing the populism card, the idea that rich are bad, poor are good, the nobility of America lies in the poor. I think that's a losing general election argument; I think it's a losing argument, period."
He argued, "The rich are as patriotic as the poor, if you ask of them.'"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26010055/
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
quote:
Explain to me how the criticism or concerns raised over Palin is sexist, or for that matter, any different than the criticism given to Obama or any other candidate.
....did you read this thread?
Do "prom date" and "trophy running mate" ring any bells? How 'bout devs' extraordinarily out of place remarks?
I learned here any woman can succeed, assuming she gets picked by the right old man.
I'll have to assume you either approve or simply can't see it. But, I wouldn't be impressed in either case.
Oh, please. The reference to "prom date" and "trophy running mate" is to characterize the demeaning attitude that McCain clearly has towards women. This is someone who very likely could be the POTUS. When someone questions McCain about her qualifications, he responds "she's exciting", "I'm proud of her." Not that she has experience, qualifications, education, or anything that matters. Could you imagine if that were a male candidate? To say he's qualified because he "brings excitement"? What kind of message does that send to young girls? Don't worry about education, work experience, or any other serious stuff. If you can look cute, and make some cute pig & lipstick references, you can rule the world.
If McCain really thinks she is qualified, why doesn't he make an argument as to why, instead this ridiculous "excitement" stuff?
Did anyone else catch the interview with McCain & Palin together?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/29/eveningnews/main4487826.shtml
McCain seems very uncomfortable--maybe he's figuring out what a huge mistake he made?
To most folks, McCain picking her as HIS OWN running mate should have answered most basic questions.
It is you all who are characterizing that selection as something else.
Can anyone provide a good reason why the O-man selected a hack for his VP choice? Talk about incongruencies.
I have less respect for Biden than you all have for Palin.
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Originally posted by waterboy
Heh, heh...he said Conservative Progressive...
But Wrinkle said Liberals made up that word!?
They don't really go together well. Kind of like Military Intelligence or Conservative Values.
Didn't claim they made it up, only that Democrats have been misusing it.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy
Heh, heh...he said Conservative Progressive...
But Wrinkle said Liberals made up that word!?
They don't really go together well. Kind of like Military Intelligence or Conservative Values.
Didn't claim they made it up, only that Democrats have been misusing it.
Unlike Jesse Helms who had the correct usage?
BS. Progressive is the exact opposite of conservative. Progressive fits Liberalism like a glove. If anyone has misused the word it would be conservatives. Jesse made that point. They also abused the word compassionate.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy
Heh, heh...he said Conservative Progressive...
But Wrinkle said Liberals made up that word!?
They don't really go together well. Kind of like Military Intelligence or Conservative Values.
Didn't claim they made it up, only that Democrats have been misusing it.
Unlike Jesse Helms who had the correct usage?
BS. Progressive is the exact opposite of conservative. Progressive fits Liberalism like a glove. If anyone has misused the word it would be conservatives. Jesse made that point. They also abused the word compassionate.
I'm thinking you're a bit confused.
Regressive is the opposite of progressive.
Every party has hacks.
It's just as wrong to take aberrations and treat them as mainstream.
Nah, I'm clear today. They didn't name soup "Regressive". No one wants that appelation.
Progressive is from progress which means movement in a positive or forward direction. Liberals embrace well reasoned change that moves a society forward. Actually based on opposition to monarchy's.
Conservative is to conserve which means stasis or failure to move in any direction. Maybe thats where "Congress" comes from. Change is anathema to a conservative unless its change that repeals progress.
Clear that up? Next class in 30min.
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Originally posted by waterboy
Nah, I'm clear today. They didn't name soup "Regressive". No one wants that appelation.
Progressive is from progress which means movement in a positive or forward direction. Liberals embrace well reasoned change that moves a society forward. Actually based on opposition to monarchy's.
Conservative is to conserve which means stasis or failure to move in any direction. Maybe thats where "Congress" comes from. Change is anathema to a conservative unless its change that repeals progress.
Clear that up? Next class in 30min.
I'd disagree with your definition of conservative. It's also forward movement, just not with wreckless abandon. It actually fits your definition of progressive.
Progressive, as used by Democrats, seems to define more an altruistic approach to issues, without respect to cost.
And, for 'progressives' to treat Ms. Palin as they have shows no progress at all.