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has anyone been in?

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Originally posted by brunoflipper

has anyone been in?

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Location?

Around 33rd 34th? on brookside where S@J, Kampi and whatever else has been there throughout the years next to the bank of oklahoma.

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Originally posted by unknown

Around 33rd 34th? on brookside where S@J, Kampi and whatever else has been there throughout the years next to the bank of oklahoma.

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If it's anything like Kampai or Ford's, sounds like another truckload of suck.

Does Hughes own this one as well?

Never been. Look forward to trying it. Please forgive the rant.

The first sports bar I find that actually puts the slightest effort into PUTTING SPORTS ON TV will be the place I become a regular.

If you're a sports bar, you should have every game on TV that might be of interest to the masses.

I shouldn't have to ask you to change it from the sitcom with no sound and no captions to the baseball playoff game.

I shouldn't have to look up what channel the game is on, and what the corresponding channel number on your satellite provider is.

If it's 11pm and you have the sports packages, PUT SOME FREAKING GAMES ON!!! I don't want to watch Fox Sports Afghanistan's highlights show when there is even the least interesting sporting event on. I go to a sports bar TO WATCH ACTUAL LIVE SPORTS!!!

Maybe someday, some sports bar owner will grasp that concept. But I'm not holding out much hope.

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Originally posted by TheTed

Never been. Look forward to trying it. Please forgive the rant.

The first sports bar I find that actually puts the slightest effort into PUTTING SPORTS ON TV will be the place I become a regular.

If you're a sports bar, you should have every game on TV that might be of interest to the masses.

I shouldn't have to ask you to change it from the sitcom with no sound and no captions to the baseball playoff game.

I shouldn't have to look up what channel the game is on, and what the corresponding channel number on your satellite provider is.

If it's 11pm and you have the sports packages, PUT SOME FREAKING GAMES ON!!! I don't want to watch Fox Sports Afghanistan's highlights show when there is even the least interesting sporting event on. I go to a sports bar TO WATCH ACTUAL LIVE SPORTS!!!

Maybe someday, some sports bar owner will grasp that concept. But I'm not holding out much hope.

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The place that was where MyStaff is on Skelly Dr. just east of Yale was the last "real" sports bar in Tulsa with multiple TV's and satellite feeds.  Charlie Mitchell owned it.  The name escapes me at the moment.  It did well, I believe it went south along with his Charlie Mitchell's brand in his divorce.

Anyone remember the name of the place?

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Originally posted by Conan71

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Originally posted by TheTed

Never been. Look forward to trying it. Please forgive the rant.

The first sports bar I find that actually puts the slightest effort into PUTTING SPORTS ON TV will be the place I become a regular.

If you're a sports bar, you should have every game on TV that might be of interest to the masses.

I shouldn't have to ask you to change it from the sitcom with no sound and no captions to the baseball playoff game.

I shouldn't have to look up what channel the game is on, and what the corresponding channel number on your satellite provider is.

If it's 11pm and you have the sports packages, PUT SOME FREAKING GAMES ON!!! I don't want to watch Fox Sports Afghanistan's highlights show when there is even the least interesting sporting event on. I go to a sports bar TO WATCH ACTUAL LIVE SPORTS!!!

Maybe someday, some sports bar owner will grasp that concept. But I'm not holding out much hope.

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The place that was where MyStaff is on Skelly Dr. just east of Yale was the last "real" sports bar in Tulsa with multiple TV's and satellite feeds.  Charlie Mitchell owned it.  The name escapes me at the moment.  It did well, I believe it went south along with his Charlie Mitchell's brand in his divorce.

Anyone remember the name of the place?

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Outer Urban?

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Originally posted by TheTed

Never been. Look forward to trying it. Please forgive the rant.

The first sports bar I find that actually puts the slightest effort into PUTTING SPORTS ON TV will be the place I become a regular.

If you're a sports bar, you should have every game on TV that might be of interest to the masses.

I shouldn't have to ask you to change it from the sitcom with no sound and no captions to the baseball playoff game.

I shouldn't have to look up what channel the game is on, and what the corresponding channel number on your satellite provider is.

If it's 11pm and you have the sports packages, PUT SOME FREAKING GAMES ON!!! I don't want to watch Fox Sports Afghanistan's highlights show when there is even the least interesting sporting event on. I go to a sports bar TO WATCH ACTUAL LIVE SPORTS!!!

Maybe someday, some sports bar owner will grasp that concept. But I'm not holding out much hope.

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Go to Indigo Joes, 105th and Memorial.  More TVs then you can imagine, and all have sports on.  Want to see a different game on a different tv, just ask.  They will also bring you your own voicebox if you want to listen.

I believe Joe Momma's downtown is supposed to have the largest screen for sports in Tulsa and should be opening next week.

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Originally posted by Conan71
Anyone remember the name of the place?

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Only place I remember there was Outback.

Went in to Leon's and sat at the bar, will have to go back for food next time.

it was after the bombay bicycle club...
but yeah, that was an impressive sports bar...

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Originally posted by Conan71

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The place that was where MyStaff is on Skelly Dr. just east of Yale was the last "real" sports bar in Tulsa with multiple TV's and satellite feeds.  Charlie Mitchell owned it.  The name escapes me at the moment.  It did well, I believe it went south along with his Charlie Mitchell's brand in his divorce.

Anyone remember the name of the place?

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haha you're funny. [:P]

I remember the place, they had a boxing ring that had tables in it, and you could pick the audio from any one of the main tv's to listen to. The one thing that was a problem for that place was the fact that it was on the service road and not exactly easy to get to.

I think it did open as Bombay Bicycle Club (good memory Bruno) and I believe unknown is correct that it was Outback Sports Grill in it's last incarnation.

I thought it was called boomerang or something like that

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Originally posted by fakeitall

I thought it was called boomerang or something like that

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There was a boomerang around 71st Yale Area, I think where Charelston's is now(Can't remember)They had phones at each table to place an order... OKC had a few of them as well, don't know if they are still around or not.

For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the sports bar on east Skelly Drive. I used to go there every Sunday and even won a football trivia contest there once.

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the sports bar on east Skelly Drive. I used to go there every Sunday and even won a football trivia contest there once.

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Is this the place that on Google Streets is now "My Staff"?

Was I wrong?  Was that not the Outer Urban while Intururban's were going?  Mid to late 80's for that location.

Baxter's is the one left I think.

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Originally posted by Townsend

Was I wrong?  Was that not the Outer Urban while Intururban's were going?  Mid to late 80's for that location.

Baxter's is the one left I think.

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The Outer Urban was in the old Flakey Jakes at 71st & Memorial and then it became The Tulsa Brewing Company.

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Originally posted by dbacks fan

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Originally posted by Townsend

Was I wrong?  Was that not the Outer Urban while Intururban's were going?  Mid to late 80's for that location.

Baxter's is the one left I think.

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The Outer Urban was in the old Flakey Jakes at 71st & Memorial and then it became The Tulsa Brewing Company.

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Thanks for the correction.

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the sports bar on east Skelly Drive. I used to go there every Sunday and even won a football trivia contest there once.

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Address serach on Google shows the following as a past occupant;
OUTBACK SPORTS CAFE INC
5154 E SKELLY DR
TULSA, OK  74135

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Originally posted by mrB

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the sports bar on east Skelly Drive. I used to go there every Sunday and even won a football trivia contest there once.

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Address serach on Google shows the following as a past occupant;
OUTBACK SPORTS CAFE INC
5154 E SKELLY DR
TULSA, OK  74135

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I believe that's it.  I went to a stand up comedy show there by a guy who used to be on a little sports talk station that was nationally syndicated...One on One Sports.  The guy's name was Tom Shiekman.  One on Sports eventually wound up becoming Sporting News Radio, then Clear Channel bought 1430.

I miss those old days.  Those guys were WAY better than any of the ESPN or FSR guys ever thought of being.

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Originally posted by Hoss

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Originally posted by mrB

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the sports bar on east Skelly Drive. I used to go there every Sunday and even won a football trivia contest there once.

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Address serach on Google shows the following as a past occupant;
OUTBACK SPORTS CAFE INC
5154 E SKELLY DR
TULSA, OK  74135

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I believe that's it.  I went to a stand up comedy show there by a guy who used to be on a little sports talk station that was nationally syndicated...One on One Sports.  The guy's name was Tom Shiekman.  One on Sports eventually wound up becoming Sporting News Radio, then Clear Channel bought 1430.

I miss those old days.  Those guys were WAY better than any of the ESPN or FSR guys ever thought of being.

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Thanks...that was it.

I saw the Tom Shiekman show as well.

He used to have the funniest line...whenever someone would say to him, "Have a good one", he would answer, "I do have a good one. Thanks for noticing!"

The Outback On skelley was once known as Smugglers Inn...

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Originally posted by Breadburner

The Outback On skelley was once known as Smugglers Inn...

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 I think Smugglers lasted the longest in that location. The last time I went to Smuggler's was in '87. It was pretty good for it's time, and I think it was there for about 10 years.(If I'm wrong someone please correct me) The one thing I always noticed about living in Tulsa for most of my life was the short life span of resteraunts especially from the early 80's until I moved in '98. But what impresses me the most is that so many local owned places are still there including some that were there before I was born.

Is this place open yet? I'll try it when it opens.

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Originally posted by Nik

Is this place open yet? I'll try it when it opens.

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Thought I saw a piece on the news about it this past weekend having to do with the high turnout due to the football games.

It appears it is open.

An article on KTUL's website said they have been open for 3 weeks as of this last weekend. Too bad there's no web presence, I'd like to see a menu.

The owners of Becco construction are the proprietors....

The interior falls far short of a true sports bar.  Put a Fox and Hound or Buffalo Wild Wings in the empty Delta across the street and Leon's would close down.  

(just my .02)

I keep hearing advertisements on the radio.  They claim to have nineteen 42" TV's with NFL sunday Ticket.  Any good beer specials ?

I tried it last night.  I thought the food was pretty good (better than what I thought I was getting into when I looked at the menu).  They have some standard stuff on tap (Bud, a Marshall beer, Guiness) and they have a deal where you get this huge glass-stein looking thing for $5-8, depending on what you order.

It seemed a little cold in there.  The interior doesn't seem quite finished.  The room that used to be the market at Ford's is now a "game room," but only has Golden Tee.  The room/hallway towards the restrooms is empty, I think.  It still has the same restrooms with the funny doors.

They have a lot of tvs and old pictures of Tulsa.  

The menu has some appetizers like wings and fried artichokes.  They have some sliders (which I guess are either mini-burgers or chicken or sausage thiniges) that come in groups of two or three.  They have a long list of sandwiches named after famous sports figures, like the Troy Aikman (salmon sandwich, had to wonder if that was a reference to something), the Matt Holliday, and the Nancy Lopez.  They had mini-pizzas, salads, soups, full entres like chicken or pasta (that were expensive).

I tried the Nancy Lopez and it was good -- it was chicken on some sort of pressed tortilla, with generous helpings of cheese and beans, etc.  You get either waffle fries, buffalo fries (didn't ask what those were), or something like cottage cheese.

We'll go back.  My wife really liked it.

Aside: I'm amused by places that open up and name sandwiches or dishes after famous local people or entities (like the Collective).  Nothing wrong with it, it's just interesting to me.

Why doesn't someone name sandwiches after things in Tulsa that are either bad or funny?  We could have the "Medlock" (hot dog) or the "River Catch of the Day"; you could name things after bad urban planning, tax deficits, televangelists, and so on.

I had the Turkey Mountain at the last TNF lunch at the collective and everyone questioned my masculinity, or at least my sexual orientation.

I'm trying to picture what they'd think if I was eating a Mudschlock (Medlock).

The Escapade -- hamburger with no bread.  Comes with a side of juice.

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Originally posted by Gold

The Escapade -- hamburger with no bread.  Comes with a side of juice.

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I think I would have to serve a footlong coney and call it the "Golden Driller".

Called Leons yesterday and they said they were carrying the TU Game on PPV.  
Get there and woops.. I guess we arent.

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Originally posted by Gold

The Escapade -- hamburger with no bread.  Comes with a side of juice.

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I think I would have to serve a footlong coney and call it the "Golden Driller".

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They should call it the Bill Bowen.....

We went to Leon's on Friday night, it was really busy, but got great service.  Ordered appetizer supreme pizza...delicious.  Played pool, had fun.  Will go back for sure to try the full menu.

Finally made it into Leon's for some food and drinks with friends. Started with the salmon corn dog appetizers (just out of pure curiosity). They were actually pretty tasty. I had the Johnny Bench sandwich, (blackened ribeye on a crossiant) and it was very good. Others had the Brooksider pie and the BBQ sliders. All were said to be very good.
    We had good service (never ran out of beer) and if you like sports you can't go wrong with all of the TVs. I love sports and beer. I will be going back. This is a great addition to Brookside. If interested and going with friends, check out the 1/2 price coupons on KMOD website ($50 for $25+ $3.75 handling fee.

Closing up shop...Saturday the 16th is the last night.....Property sold.....Something new coming it will still be a restaurant.....

I haven't been in a while but it always was a neat place.  They recently rebuilt the bar I think too.  Wonder why it didn't succeed.  Must be something more recent.

Almost and eight year run in the Tulsa restaurant biz, that’s pretty good.  Perhaps the owners are tired of it and ready to move on to something else or retire.  It’s a primo location with great parking out back.

Heard it's going to the R Bar people. Not sure if that is the case.

It's not the folks from RBar.....Group out of Okc.....

Hal Smith?

That's crazy. I watch a ton of sports there.

Not that much or you would know it was closing....

I saw Annalise last week after our company meeting there and she didn't mention it.

Bricktown Brewery

*YAWN*

Never been.  Do they brew their own stuff?  Is it any good?  It's gonna need to be good to compete with the Prairie and Marshall brewpubs going in downtown.

I've never been but work with someone who has been to the one in Owasso twice and says he won't be going back. I'll have to ask him for more details since all I remember him saying is that it was "ho hum" and "nothing special."

I lived in Owasso when it opened up.  Went a couple of times.  For Owasso, it was definitely a step up.  But I agree, it's not anything really special.  It would be lost on Brookside.

I don’t believe there’s near enough room in that space to brew or ferment/age beer so I doubt there will be on-site brewing.

The food at the OKC BB is okay, nothing that I particularly crave, but it's probably on par with The Brook.

They don't brew at Owasso either (which kind of ruins the point of calling it a brew pub!). I have been to the one in Bricktown in OKC several times. I think their beers range from not good to pretty good (I like their stout most). It is not at the level of Marshall, Dead Armadillo or Prairie, but still much better than most mass-produced beers. The novelty of taking a growler of beer home should draw in some business.

I agree about the food. Just run of the mill pub food which isn't bad, but is nothing special. As someone who used to stop at there every time I'd go to OKC, I am not too excited about it coming here. If I was, I would've gone to the one in Owasso.

Once I found out they don't brew on site, my interest went to zero. For me, a big reason I'd want a growler of beer lies in the fact that it is freshly brewed on site and could potentially be produced that day, and often within the last week. If it is just as old as beer on the shelves, I'd rather just get a six pack of better beer which will last months rather than something that goes flat after a few days.

If I reviewed it, I'd give it these ratings:
Beer - 2/5
Food - 3/5
Atmosphere - 3.5/5 (Felt somewhat chain-esque while retaining the raw exposed-brick look many places in urban areas have)
Overall Rating: 2.5/5

I think the Brook is slightly better overall, mostly because of much bigger portions for the money.

So is BB trying to be a local version of Gordon Biersch?  Their beers are good not necessarily great and the food is good not necessarily great.

I'd give Gordon Biersch the nod over BB.   Food is about the same, but GB beers are generally a little better.  But yes, similar places.

Or like Rock Bottom Restaurant & Brewery which is all over the US. It feels similar. They are trying to capture the chain brewery market around here before GB or Rock Bottom show up. Big issue is that if they don't brew in either Tulsa location, it is just another pub/burger place in a very crowded market.

Their stout is the only memorable one to me.  The rest are terribly meh.  Part of the problem is inherent in brewing craft beer to comply with 4.0 ABV (3.2 ABW).  You simply lose character and mouthfeel.  It is a thinner beer.  It’s somewhat noticeable in Marshall’s 4.0 offerings- though they work really hard to overcome that by adding oatmeal and other grain adjuncts to give you something with the mouthfeel of a bigger beer. 

There are a couple of recipes I brew at 6 to 6.5% I’ve tried dialing down to a 4% range and it really changes the character, the hop balance seems a bit off and it’s just a thinner beer.

So do we have any confirmation it is going to be a bricktown brewery or are those just rumors?

That would be correct....

Now it is confirmed:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/food/bricktown-brewery-to-open-in-leon-s-former-location-owner/article_75759385-5865-526f-a2a8-17226f2d2de1.html (http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/food/bricktown-brewery-to-open-in-leon-s-former-location-owner/article_75759385-5865-526f-a2a8-17226f2d2de1.html)

So Leon's was a sports bar + food.  They expanded their bar and beer options recently to keep up with trends.  They weren't making enough to bother keep going or whatever payout they got from Bricktown to let their lease go.  So then Bricktown is going to open up with an OKC name with beer and food (their beer costs will be lower).  And its going to go a lot better?  Elgin Park Brewpub, Prairie Brewpub, and Marshall Brewpub all coming soon.  Ok, Marshall is sometime...  Good luck putting OKC up against Tulsa breweries with much better beers.  

I agree the Tulsa brewpubs will be a lot better (as the beer is much better). I think Tulsa should be able to support 5-10 brewpubs easily. Other smaller cities have more brewpubs than that.

Isn't Elgin Park Brewpub the same as the Marshall Brewpub? http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/food/new-brewpub-across-from-oneok-field-planned-to-open-next/article_cb9e6b4d-3e95-5bf0-beb3-fb78e054a068.html (http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/food/new-brewpub-across-from-oneok-field-planned-to-open-next/article_cb9e6b4d-3e95-5bf0-beb3-fb78e054a068.html)

Besides that one, I don't know of any other Marshall Brewpubs. Marshall did buy a building right by their brewery they would like to turn into a tap room eventually.

Another brewery which is supposed to be a brewpub is the Renaissance Brewery which is supposed to have a big taproom and have food. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Renaissance-Brewing-Company/654564741242829 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Renaissance-Brewing-Company/654564741242829)

I think Eric is "overseeing" the beer of Elgin Park.  If it was "Marshall" it would have Marshall's name somewhere in the name of the business. I don't see why Eric would need to brew in the brewpub when he has a facility down the street.  He might be in charge of hiring somebody to run that equipment or send one of his brewers down their to make one of their large selection of brews they currently make in their current taproom.  The new Marshall tap room will have a catering kitchen and a spot for food trucks.  So you can get beer and food in the same place.  I guess its not a "brewpub" in the traditional sense.  But I don't see much difference.  I guess its a taproom with food vs a restaurant with beer.

Lame, lame, lame

From what I am hearing the new Prairie Brewpub should be open by the end of the month.

What...???

As I understand it, Bricktown Brewery doesn't brew in any of its satellite locations. So its really just Bricktown Bar and Grill.

Prairie will certainly brew on site. Which makes them cooler by default. Also, are they expanding their west Tulsa site, it looks like they took over the building next to them? As I understand it Prairie is still like 85% contract brewed down in Krebs. Would be cool if they brought more of the production to Tulsa.

I thought I heard a year or so ago that Prairie had purchased some land just off of 75 near 181st Street South and were going to build a facility there. Did I dream that?

I walked by there last weekend. It was looking good inside. The wife and I will be downtown tonight for the Carrie Underwood concert, her choice not mine but at least I can stare at Carrie's legs all night, and I plan on walking by again to see what progress has been made in the last few days.

Chase did purchase the land with the intention of building his brewery there then realized the cost to build it would have been ridiculous.

Krebs/Choc just announced another expansion and will soon employ 60 people.

Wonder what will be in this space next?

Yeah, I do not see this lasting very long.

You mean after Bricktown Brewery FAILs in this spot?

What would've made the cost ridiculous? Wasn't there some issue with sewer/septic system large enough to handle the amount of water waste that comes with a brewery?

Good news that Choc and Prairie are expanding!

Has anyone looked closely at what changes the current liquor modernization (if adopted) will have on brew pubs?  From my quick read, it appears it will allow brewers in Oklahoma to engage in direct sales so long as they are a “small brewer” - which is or will be defined by statute.  Would this be enough under current law to allow brew pubs to brew and sell/serve the beer on-site, or would it still be limited to the brewery “tasting room” restrictions we have now?

The German biergarten concept across the street in the old Ciao space did not last long.

I sell quite a few boilers to the micro brew industry and I was holding a boiler for his brewhouse for that project on a handshake deal and had to keep hounding him to see if it was going to happen or not.  I believe the original idea was to consolidate all his brewing to the Mounds location instead of gypsy brewing in Krebs and running his specialty beers out of west Tulsa.  That would have meant all new brewhouse equipment (I think he was looking at 20 or 30bbl system) new fermentation tanks, larger bright tanks, etc.  You can spend a few million pretty quickly with a brewery.

No idea all the specifics, I just know what Chase told me which was he got to looking at the costs and debt service and felt he was better off not doing it.  And yes, it takes a LOT of water to brew beer.  For that kind of volume, the septic system would be quite costly.  It would more than likely have to be some sort of lagoon to handle that much effluent.

Never even heard of it.  That’s kind of an issue when avid craft beer fans don’t even know it’s there.

When was that?

That's too bad about them not building out there. Mostly because it is close to my house. :)

I remember when Choc was impossible to find outside of the Krebs/McAlester area. Nice that you can get it just about everywhere now. I still think they changed the original recipe though when they renamed it to 1919, just doesn't taste the same to me.

I do enjoy their Dubbel and usually have some in the beer fridge.

I wanted to try that place but it was closed before I had a chance! It was only open, what six months? I wonder what the deal was. I see restaurants open and close in 6 months and wonder how could they possibly not be prepared to at least stick it out a year (emergency fund - even if built into business loan). Why even spend the time/capital to startup if closing in a few months is even a possibility? What a waste! Seems like a tough business!

The restaurant business is like life:  The dumber you are, the tougher it gets.

Wouldn't the brewing equipment cost be about the same no matter where they put their brewery? Property cost will certainly be higher if they build one near downtown Tulsa like I heard them mention. I wonder what the nail(s) in the coffin was for the Mounds location (too expensive to build at that location or mostly the septic system).

That would be frustrating to buy that property, put all the work in only to find out they can't use it! I am glad they are staying close to Tulsa and that's probably better for them. I'm a hardcore Prairie fan and was a regular at the 21st location for a while but I would rarely if ever go to Mounds (especially to drink!) and I doubt many of my friends would either.

Brewing equipment cost is the same.  But, from the aspect of continuing to brew specialty beer on equipment he already owns and gypsy brewing the high volume beers on someone else’s equipment, it would be a significant cost addition he would have to support. 

I gathered that the economic reality really didn’t sink in until he’d bought the property.

True story.

When I read about the potential move to Mounds I had just come back from Vermont and I got the feeling that they the facility would be something like the rural farm breweries they have in that state.  Would have been pretty cool, though I too would worry about having to find a designated driver.  The in town brew pub was also a rumor at that time so I thought they could fill growlers at the brew pub and offer bus tours from Tulsa to the farm brewery.  

Who knows what's next for those guys.  There now are tons of craft breweries and they've manged to find a niche.  They are popular nationally and known internationally.  The Prairie brewpub sign in the Brady District is really cool and will probably make a bunch of beer magazines in the coming months.

I agree the sign is awesome. Looks great from Cain's! It is great Prairie became so renown so quickly! Tulsa should easily be able to support 10+ breweries (much smaller cities in the region have more than that). It is good breweries like Marshall, Renaissance and Prairie are paving the way to make it easier for future breweries to start up. Eric Marshall was key in getting the laws changes so tastings were allowed. Renaissance helped establish City of Tulsa building codes for breweries. Prairie has become a "destination" brewery for the state. They've all been a part of getting the laws updated so they can sell their own product.

I am glad the GKFF offered Prairie a spot in the Ford Building and really glad they took up such a challenge! Looking forward to it!