Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: PonderInc on February 24, 2009, 01:50:26 pm
Read an intersting article in Newsweek about how to get drug dealers off the street (http://"http://www.newsweek.com/id/182534")
A guy named David Kennedy has spent years studying what works and what doesn't. Here's a little summary:
...he spent years in the rough neighborhoods of cities like Houston, Los Angeles and Boston. He watched the same sad pattern: locked and loaded, cops would repeatedly kick down doors—or make undercover buys to catch dealers. The locals began viewing the police the way residents of Tikrit saw the U.S. Fourth Infantry Division in the summer of 2003: as an occupying army....
In a 2004 experiment in High Point, N.C., Kennedy got the cops to try a new way of cleaning up the corners. They rounded up some young dealers; showed a videotape of them dealing drugs; and readied cases, set for indictment, that would have meant hard time in prison. Then they let the kids go. Working with their families, the police helped the dope dealers find job training and mentors. The message, which spread quickly through the neighborhood, was that the cops would give kids a second chance—but come down aggressively if they didn't take it. The police won back trust they had lost long ago (if they ever had it). After four years, police in High Point had wiped the drug dealers off the corner. They compared the numbers to the prior four years and found a 57 percent drop in violent crime in the targeted area.
...One crime-infested Nashville neighborhood where Kennedy's program was used saw a 91 percent drop in crime and prostitution in 2008, largely attributable to Kennedy's good-cop, bad-cop approach.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Wilbur on February 24, 2009, 01:59:28 pm
I'd rather charge dope users with accessory to murder for every person killed in Mexico over the past year in order to feed America's habit for illegal drugs.
See what that would do to stem the tide.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rwarn17588 on February 24, 2009, 02:18:32 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Wilbur
I'd rather charge dope users with accessory to murder for every person killed in Mexico over the past year in order to feed America's habit for illegal drugs.
See what that would do to stem the tide.
Good luck making a charge like that stick in court.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Gold on February 24, 2009, 02:39:10 pm
I thought this board was about encouraging business downtown. This is a way of limiting a significant after 5 pm business downtown.
I kid, I kid . . . [:D]
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 24, 2009, 03:27:32 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Wilbur
I'd rather charge dope users with accessory to murder for every person killed in Mexico over the past year in order to feed America's habit for illegal drugs.
See what that would do to stem the tide.
I'd like to see every Mexican murdering other Mexicans or otherwise contributing to or profiting from the drug trade to America imprisoned for the American deaths caused by their drugs. Also I'd like to send a bill to Mexico for the expenses we have for rehab, victim compensation and imprisonment of drug related offenses. See what that would do to stem the tide. We we didn't consume the drugs, they wouldn't produce them. If they didn't produce them, we couldn't consume them. Two way street. - - - - The above scenario on fixing drug problems seems very workable to me. If the community knows a kid got a second chance and blew it, it isn't the cops fault.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Pebbles on February 24, 2009, 03:42:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Wilbur
I'd rather charge dope users with accessory to murder for every person killed in Mexico over the past year in order to feed America's habit for illegal drugs.
See what that would do to stem the tide.
It is the United States fault with its arcane laws on drugs that Mexico is suffering a drug war problem. The blood of innocent Mexicans is on United States hands. That is the way I see it.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Hometown on February 24, 2009, 04:55:07 pm
I agree with Peebles.
Hey, the reason I don't live in Mexico today is because of the kidnappings.
Guess what's come to Phoenix. Phoenix is now just behind Mexico City in kidnappings.
While we are playing World Police in the middle east, common-place kidnappings have come to the U.S.
Research the kidnappings in Mexico. It's not just drug related. It's touched everybody, all classes, living in Mexico.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: dbacks fan on February 24, 2009, 06:17:56 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Hometown
I agree with Peebles.
Hey, the reason I don't live in Mexico today is because of the kidnappings.
Guess what's come to Phoenix. Phoenix is now just behind Mexico City in kidnappings.
While we are playing World Police in the middle east, common-place kidnappings have come to the U.S.
Research the kidnappings in Mexico. It's not just drug related. It's touched everybody, all classes, living in Mexico.
You are quite correct. There were 350 "reported" kidnappings last year, but it is believed to be much higher as a lot of them go unreported. At least once a month there is a story in the news here about some one find aburning car out in the desert around Phoenix. 99% of the time, they find at least two bodies in the car. Tes the drug lords are hear and they are better armed than the police, and most of them are Mexican Military. Between the drugs and the drop houses for smuggling people in, it is almost like a war zone. If you want a good book on the smuggling of people, go out and buy Darrell Ankarlo's book "Another Man's Sombrero" it is worht reading.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rhymnrzn on February 25, 2009, 02:52:38 am
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
quote:
Originally posted by Wilbur
I'd rather charge dope users with accessory to murder for every person killed in Mexico over the past year in order to feed America's habit for illegal drugs.
See what that would do to stem the tide.
I'd like to see every Mexican murdering other Mexicans or otherwise contributing to or profiting from the drug trade to America imprisoned for the American deaths caused by their drugs. Also I'd like to send a bill to Mexico for the expenses we have for rehab, victim compensation and imprisonment of drug related offenses. See what that would do to stem the tide.
We we didn't consume the drugs, they wouldn't produce them. If they didn't produce them, we couldn't consume them. Two way street.
- - - -
The above scenario on fixing drug problems seems very workable to me. If the community knows a kid got a second chance and blew it, it isn't the cops fault.
If only the people would act better, or better yet, want to act better: instead of overcharging them all while you give place for Jezebel to run the Ahab's court with bald-face lying.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: MH2010 on February 25, 2009, 08:04:27 am
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
quote:
Originally posted by Wilbur
I'd rather charge dope users with accessory to murder for every person killed in Mexico over the past year in order to feed America's habit for illegal drugs.
See what that would do to stem the tide.
I'd like to see every Mexican murdering other Mexicans or otherwise contributing to or profiting from the drug trade to America imprisoned for the American deaths caused by their drugs. Also I'd like to send a bill to Mexico for the expenses we have for rehab, victim compensation and imprisonment of drug related offenses. See what that would do to stem the tide.
We we didn't consume the drugs, they wouldn't produce them. If they didn't produce them, we couldn't consume them. Two way street.
- - - -
The above scenario on fixing drug problems seems very workable to me. If the community knows a kid got a second chance and blew it, it isn't the cops fault.
Drug offenders already get second,third and/or fourth chances before they are faced with prison. For first time drug offenses, the most common result is a deferred sentence. If the offender stays out of trouble for X amount of time then the original charge is dismissed. If they are ineligible for the deferred sentence (have already gotten one), then they can have a suspended sentence. This is when they get a prison sentence but it is suspended and they are put on probation. If they violate the terms of their probation then they have to serve the original sentence. (Offenders can have several of these.) Another option is drug court. Drug court is a successful program where offenders are put in a structured rehab program instead of going to prison. If offenders complete drug court then they are released. If they fail then they have to go to prison.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 25, 2009, 08:22:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
If only the people would act better, or better yet, want to act better: instead of overcharging them all while you give place for Jezebel to run the Ahab's court with bald-face lying.
Speaking of drugs... - - - MH2010: I understand that first time offenders don't really go to jail. But from the community perspective the cops are not giving them a break, they are tossing them into the system. They have a record for a drug offense. By the cops giving them a free pass, the police are gaining the good will of the community instead of the kid feeling like all he will get is a slap on the wrist from the courts. Does that make sense? AS far as drug courts, I have heard they work well. My problem is that I believe most drug use is not fixed by rehab. It is not the substance that is the real problem for reuse - it is the environment. If your friends smoke pot to party and you rejoin that group of friends, it is difficult to abstain. Not impossible (when my son was born I stopped doing any illegal drugs, many of my friends did not. It wasn't a real issue) but it could kill ones motivation to stay "clean." Not sure what the solution is, but I think it is worth trying something different.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: dayzella on February 25, 2009, 08:26:57 am
When I read the original post, all I could think of was The Wire's Hamsterdam.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Townsend on February 25, 2009, 09:48:25 am
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
My problem is that I believe most drug use is not fixed by rehab.
Not sure what the solution is, but I think it is worth trying something different.
The last buddy I knew that went into rehab met his best suppliers there.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Hometown on February 25, 2009, 10:31:52 am
quote:
Originally posted by dbacks fan
quote:
Originally posted by Hometown
I agree with Peebles.
Hey, the reason I don't live in Mexico today is because of the kidnappings.
Guess what's come to Phoenix. Phoenix is now just behind Mexico City in kidnappings.
While we are playing World Police in the middle east, common-place kidnappings have come to the U.S.
Research the kidnappings in Mexico. It's not just drug related. It's touched everybody, all classes, living in Mexico.
You are quite correct. There were 350 "reported" kidnappings last year, but it is believed to be much higher as a lot of them go unreported. At least once a month there is a story in the news here about some one find aburning car out in the desert around Phoenix. 99% of the time, they find at least two bodies in the car. Tes the drug lords are hear and they are better armed than the police, and most of them are Mexican Military. Between the drugs and the drop houses for smuggling people in, it is almost like a war zone.
If you want a good book on the smuggling of people, go out and buy Darrell Ankarlo's book "Another Man's Sombrero" it is worht reading.
I hope Oklahomans realize that what is happening in Phoenix could easily spread to Oklahoma. While we have been nation building in the Middle East we have been ignoring the kidnappings going on here at home. It is essential that we nip this in the bud or lose our way of life forever. My prescription: Reform drug laws and take the money out of drugs. Throw every available resource at stopping the kidnappings in Arizona now.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rhymnrzn on February 25, 2009, 11:26:40 am
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
If only the people would act better, or better yet, want to act better: instead of overcharging them all while you give place for Jezebel to run the Ahab's court with bald-face lying.
Speaking of drugs...
True, the Holy Bible is the drug instead of every purge.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: sauerkraut on February 25, 2009, 12:11:50 pm
I find it hard to believe something like that would really work. Why would a drug dealer take a $7.00 an hour job over the huge money they make selling drugs, The flashy cars and things like that? As for Mexico I understand it's getting real bad there with drug wars, one Mayor of a Mexican border town moved his family across the border into the USA for their own safety. It's really getting bad.[?]
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Townsend on February 25, 2009, 02:15:52 pm
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
If only the people would act better, or better yet, want to act better: instead of overcharging them all while you give place for Jezebel to run the Ahab's court with bald-face lying.
Speaking of drugs...
True, the Holy Bible is the drug instead of every purge.
Are you really from Ohio? What's up with you people?
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Hoss on February 25, 2009, 02:39:49 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
If only the people would act better, or better yet, want to act better: instead of overcharging them all while you give place for Jezebel to run the Ahab's court with bald-face lying.
Speaking of drugs...
True, the Holy Bible is the drug instead of every purge.
Are you really from Ohio? What's up with you people?
Holy cow; one from Dayton, one from Columbus...my ex's family were from Dayton. I won't go into detail.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: nathanm on February 25, 2009, 02:58:34 pm
quote:
Originally posted by sauerkraut
I find it hard to believe something like that would really work. Why would a drug dealer take a $7.00 an hour job over the huge money they make selling drugs, The flashy cars and things like that? As for Mexico I understand it's getting real bad there with drug wars, one Mayor of a Mexican border town moved his family across the border into the USA for their own safety. It's really getting bad.[?]
Most "dealers" are people selling some to their friends to subsidize their own habit, not the people riding around in pimpmobiles. They have no interest in violence or anything else..they just want to be left alone. While there are folks selling on the corner in some inner cities, most drug sales go on in private homes..perhaps the one next door. Taking the money out of it would get rid of most of the harmful external effects of drug sales/use. Obviously the drug users would still be worse for the wear, but at least there wouldn't be anybody out stealing for a fix or killing over a business disagreement.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: dbacks fan on February 25, 2009, 03:01:15 pm
This is the article recently written in the Arizona Republic (http://"http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/02/15/20090215kidnappings0215.html")about the abductions.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rhymnrzn on February 25, 2009, 03:07:33 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
If only the people would act better, or better yet, want to act better: instead of overcharging them all while you give place for Jezebel to run the Ahab's court with bald-face lying.
Speaking of drugs...
True, the Holy Bible is the drug instead of every purge.
Are you really from Ohio? What's up with you people?
I have dwelt in Tulsa for a number of years, having family there, and my own testimony about the place, which can be said by many about any place, but the Lord bids me about TULSA. As for Dayton, it is where I hearken from, dwelling safely with my family while I do my best during this current distress. What is it with you?
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Townsend on February 25, 2009, 03:15:54 pm
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn
I have dwelt in Tulsa for a number of years, having family there, and my own testimony about the place, which can be said by many about any place, but the Lord bids me about TULSA. As for Dayton, it is where I hearken from, dwelling safely with my family while I do my best during this current distress. What is it with you?
I havest not the slightest. I shall harken towards yon hills and alay the heather for the harth.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 25, 2009, 03:20:50 pm
Rhymnrzn is interested in Tulsa because God/Jesus/Holy Ghost has told him it is the center of all power on Earth, secretly has a massive supply of oil and more wealth than anywhere else, controls world commerce and politics, and Jesus plans on showing his love for mankind by wiping the giant whore that is Tulsa off the map. He moved back to Ohio to avoid being killed by mistake by his all powerful deity who apparently won't bother figure out who deserves to die or not. Live in Tulsa, that's a rapturing!
Really really. That's why he retains an interest in Tulsa. I can't make this stuff up.
Also important is that Jesus wants us to smoke more marijuana.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Townsend on February 25, 2009, 03:30:33 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Rhymnrzn is interested in Tulsa because God/Jesus/Holy Ghost has told him it is the center of all power on Earth, secretly has a massive supply of oil and more wealth than anywhere else, controls world commerce and politics, and Jesus plans on showing his love for mankind by wiping the giant whore that is Tulsa off the map. He moved back to Ohio to avoid being killed by mistake by his all powerful deity who apparently won't bother figure out who deserves to die or not. Live in Tulsa, that's a rapturing!
Really really. That's why he retains an interest in Tulsa. I can't make this stuff up.
Saw that. I got that same blanket in Mexico.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Hometown on February 25, 2009, 03:34:31 pm
quote:
Originally posted by dbacks fan
This is the article recently written in the Arizona Republic (http://"http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/02/15/20090215kidnappings0215.html")about the abductions.
I'm afraid people will dismiss the kidnappings as limited to the drug trade and say this won't effect me. But in Mexico the kidnappings have spread beyond the drug trade to touch everyone. Middle-class families live in terror that their children will be kidnapped on the way to school and held for ransom, tortured and murdered. A wife fears she will get a call telling her that unless she delivers X number of dollars in two hours her husband's right hand will be cut off, then his left hand. The horrors are almost unimaginable to us. While we have been putting on a costly security “show” at airports and elsewhere we have dropped the ball on this very serious threat to our way of life. Body guards are now common in Mexico. Imagine having to hire a body guard. That's what we are facing.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rhymnrzn on February 25, 2009, 03:40:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Rhymnrzn is interested in Tulsa because God/Jesus/Holy Ghost has told him it is the center of all power on Earth, secretly has a massive supply of oil and more wealth than anywhere else, controls world commerce and politics, and Jesus plans on showing his love for mankind by wiping the giant whore that is Tulsa off the map. He moved back to Ohio to avoid being killed by mistake by his all powerful deity who apparently won't bother figure out who deserves to die or not. Live in Tulsa, that's a rapturing!
Really really. That's why he retains an interest in Tulsa. I can't make this stuff up.
Also important is that Jesus wants us to smoke more marijuana.
I do not admit what you say is true. Indeed what you said here is false. If what I DID say was in any way a false witness, I know for a fact I will bear my judgement: but you are off running, mister Cannon Fodder, lover and caretaker of Tulsa and Mexico!
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 25, 2009, 03:50:52 pm
Really? I'm sorry if I misconstrued your ramblings: quote:
rhymnrzn said
Babylon is called the Great Harlot due to spiritual whoredoms. She, being drunken with the blood of the saints, abuses the covenant sealed by the innocent blood, and even flaunts herself by drinking from the golden cup she gets by the filth of her fornication with the beast. These are the Nicolaitans ( Rev.2:15), role-play themselves as Christians, but hold to doctrines and deeds set for the gain of filthy riches and political domination. As Jezebel usurped her husband Ahab's throne for her own selfish desire (1 Kings 21:25), so do these modern day Babylonians pervert the truth and use deceit to commit wickedness. The prophet indicates her iniquity in Nahum 3:4, "Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the well-favored harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts."
There are many strong reasons proving Tulsa, Oklahoma, is the prophesied city of Babylon. Historically, Tulsa has been predominantly Protestant; providing a key element in the on-going conflict to be fulfilled between the beast and whore. Yeah, though they mingle for a time, the kings of the earth shall destroy Babylon (Dan.11:14, Rev.17:16-17): yet, let the wise be instructed by the word of God.
Observe.
Isaiah 14:4 : "Thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! The GOLDEN CITY ceased!"
Tulsa, the Oil Capitol of the World in all ways, was seized upon with the discovery of extremely large oil and natural gas deposits; of which, the greater part remains unto this day, however discreetly. Tulsa is also called "The Golden City" for the valuable resources that once provided "black gold" for United States military and industry: and the takers have great wealth and power throughout the world. But now, and more yet still to come, all the ships at sea are by reason of her costliness, according to Revelation 18:19. And Tulsa is also called the "Buckle of the Bible Belt", being the attraction and the headquarters for Kenneth Hagin and Oral Roberts ministries; whose ministries are central in the unity of thousands of churches worldwide. The sight of the Oral Roberts University and "City of Faith" Cityplex Towers renders even the very appearance of a golden city, with gold color in the glass and detail on many of the buildings. These affiliated ministries emphasize a great end-time harvest in a "transfer of wealth from the wicked unto the righteous", saying "Money cometh to me now!" in their assemblies, and commanding in the place of Christ to sow financial seeds into their cause. Receiving tithes, facilitating false prophets, false miracles, seducing powerful spirits, are among the tactics, all using the names of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Ghost. This sort of tax retrieving brings with it much power and revenues, which is funneled into the agreed control: and they do not spare to hurt the consciences of the weak, casting public guilt upon the slightest doubt of their wicked cause.
Isaiah 47:10 quotes the spirit of Babylon the Whore, saying "None seeth me." This indicates that despite the power and influence of Tulsa, few know of this city's true significance. Some profess that Babylon is New York City, or Rome, or Washington D.C., and do err, seeing that these cities are not secretly headquarters to powers and principalities: willing to ignore the aspect of mystery which has been until now required in identifying Babylon? Yet, as the fullness of time approaches, Tulsa shall receive her desired "end-time harvest", as the covering of mystery shall be done away, and her nakedness uncovered ( Isa.47:3).
Now consider this riddle which I put forth. Behold, there is a woman whose name is Tulsa. And her name is written on her forehead ( Rev.17:5), so every time she looks at a mirror, she sees her name spelled backwards.
http://testimony.peacefulfilled.org/ (rhymnrzn's website, as linked from his profile) We are secretly the super power capital of the world and have a hidden stash of oil and gas. New York, Washington, or heaven forbid a non-US city as being something important - nope. Tulsa. Behold! Also interesting to learn that we are called "the Golden City." I was not aware of that and neither was the whole of the internets, at least not that I could find. There is Golden City Missouri, Golden Colorado, and a dozen other cities nicknamed the Golden City... but that's too easy. The only flaw that I see is that Tulsa spelled backwards is A-SLUT. But Tulsa when viewed in the mirror is A-backwards S, backwards L, UT. The bible is literally true, ergo, it can not be correct or it wouldn't have the error of a backwards S in it - no way around it. An "S" just doesn't work in a mirror. Unless of course the bible wasn't exactly correct or is open to slight interpretation. quote:
rhymnrzn also said
Gentle reader: the following compilation of Scriptures, along with interpretations and teachings, is in reference to the Tree of Life, or, cannabis sativa; the herb yielding seed, which God created.
http://overcome.peacefulfilled.org/ I'd venture to say that more or less I had it right. If you didn't want us to know that we were play things in your world of rapture, you shouldn't have linked to the website. I apologize if I misconstrued or unfavorably summarized your ramblings, but to correct anything people can just read your words and formulate an opinion on what our interest is here. Also, could you please ask your god when he intends to smite Tulsa... I will plan on being on vacation in Ohio. I don't care what your beliefs are, but just be up front. You're interest in Tulsa is because you expect to see us all smitten by your God sometime in the near future. I'm fine with that, my Gods plan on destroying Ohio.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Hoss on February 25, 2009, 04:05:14 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Really? I'm sorry if I misconstrued your ramblings:
quote:
rhymnrzn said
Babylon is called the Great Harlot due to spiritual whoredoms. She, being drunken with the blood of the saints, abuses the covenant sealed by the innocent blood, and even flaunts herself by drinking from the golden cup she gets by the filth of her fornication with the beast. These are the Nicolaitans ( Rev.2:15), role-play themselves as Christians, but hold to doctrines and deeds set for the gain of filthy riches and political domination. As Jezebel usurped her husband Ahab's throne for her own selfish desire (1 Kings 21:25), so do these modern day Babylonians pervert the truth and use deceit to commit wickedness. The prophet indicates her iniquity in Nahum 3:4, "Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the well-favored harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts."
There are many strong reasons proving Tulsa, Oklahoma, is the prophesied city of Babylon. Historically, Tulsa has been predominantly Protestant; providing a key element in the on-going conflict to be fulfilled between the beast and whore. Yeah, though they mingle for a time, the kings of the earth shall destroy Babylon (Dan.11:14, Rev.17:16-17): yet, let the wise be instructed by the word of God.
Observe.
Isaiah 14:4 : "Thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! The GOLDEN CITY ceased!"
Tulsa, the Oil Capitol of the World in all ways, was seized upon with the discovery of extremely large oil and natural gas deposits; of which, the greater part remains unto this day, however discreetly. Tulsa is also called "The Golden City" for the valuable resources that once provided "black gold" for United States military and industry: and the takers have great wealth and power throughout the world. But now, and more yet still to come, all the ships at sea are by reason of her costliness, according to Revelation 18:19. And Tulsa is also called the "Buckle of the Bible Belt", being the attraction and the headquarters for Kenneth Hagin and Oral Roberts ministries; whose ministries are central in the unity of thousands of churches worldwide. The sight of the Oral Roberts University and "City of Faith" Cityplex Towers renders even the very appearance of a golden city, with gold color in the glass and detail on many of the buildings. These affiliated ministries emphasize a great end-time harvest in a "transfer of wealth from the wicked unto the righteous", saying "Money cometh to me now!" in their assemblies, and commanding in the place of Christ to sow financial seeds into their cause. Receiving tithes, facilitating false prophets, false miracles, seducing powerful spirits, are among the tactics, all using the names of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Ghost. This sort of tax retrieving brings with it much power and revenues, which is funneled into the agreed control: and they do not spare to hurt the consciences of the weak, casting public guilt upon the slightest doubt of their wicked cause.
Isaiah 47:10 quotes the spirit of Babylon the Whore, saying "None seeth me." This indicates that despite the power and influence of Tulsa, few know of this city's true significance. Some profess that Babylon is New York City, or Rome, or Washington D.C., and do err, seeing that these cities are not secretly headquarters to powers and principalities: willing to ignore the aspect of mystery which has been until now required in identifying Babylon? Yet, as the fullness of time approaches, Tulsa shall receive her desired "end-time harvest", as the covering of mystery shall be done away, and her nakedness uncovered ( Isa.47:3).
Now consider this riddle which I put forth. Behold, there is a woman whose name is Tulsa. And her name is written on her forehead ( Rev.17:5), so every time she looks at a mirror, she sees her name spelled backwards.
http://testimony.peacefulfilled.org/ (rhymnrzn's website, as linked from his profile)
We are secretly the super power capital of the world and have a hidden stash of oil and gas. New York, Washington, or heaven forbid a non-US city as being something important - nope. Tulsa. Behold!
Also interesting to learn that we are called "the Golden City." I was not aware of that and neither was the whole of the internets, at least not that I could find. There is Golden City Missouri, Golden Colorado, and a dozen other cities nicknamed the Golden City... but that's too easy.
The only flaw that I see is that Tulsa spelled backwards is A-SLUT. But Tulsa when viewed in the mirror is A-backwards S, backwards L, UT. The bible is literally true, ergo, it can not be correct or it wouldn't have the error of a backwards S in it - no way around it. An "S" just doesn't work in a mirror. Unless of course the bible wasn't exactly correct or is open to slight interpretation.
quote:
rhymnrzn also said
Gentle reader: the following compilation of Scriptures, along with interpretations and teachings, is in reference to the Tree of Life, or, cannabis sativa; the herb yielding seed, which God created.
http://overcome.peacefulfilled.org/
I'd venture to say that more or less I had it right. If you didn't want us to know that we were play things in your world of rapture, you shouldn't have linked to the website. I apologize if I misconstrued or unfavorably summarized your ramblings, but to correct anything people can just read your words and formulate an opinion on what our interest is here.
Also, could you please ask your god when he intends to smite Tulsa... I will plan on being on vacation in Ohio.
I don't care what your beliefs are, but just be up front. You're interest in Tulsa is because you expect to see us all smitten by your God sometime in the near future. I'm fine with that, my Gods plan on destroying Ohio.
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Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: Hometown on February 25, 2009, 04:07:51 pm
I think someone else's gods have beaten your gods to the punch.
When I'm feeling down about being from Oklahoma I comfort myself with the fact that I'm not from Ohio.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rhymnrzn on February 25, 2009, 05:11:50 pm
Doing unto others as I would have done uno myself, I have total peace about the tune I choose to trumpet for all to hear: why don't you blare upon it some more, mister Cannon Fodder. Have you never read "We would have healed Babylon"? I would venture not, judging from your errant writings.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rhymnrzn on February 25, 2009, 05:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Also important is that Jesus wants us to smoke more marijuana.
Allow us to set difference between profane and holy: no, no, we are disallowed.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rwarn17588 on February 25, 2009, 06:30:39 pm
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Originally posted by rhymnrzn
I have dwelt in Tulsa for a number of years, having family there, and my own testimony about the place, which can be said by many about any place, but the Lord bids me about TULSA. [/quote] The Lord bids you to shut your mouth before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rhymnrzn on February 25, 2009, 07:03:10 pm
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
The Lord bids you to shut your mouth before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
From the day I learned it from the Lord, I was not rebellious: and you are telling me that the Lord wills me to conceal it, and not publish it. What is it to hold private interpretations, then? I would agree that the Lord wills not that we bang our heads into a wall: that would be vain!
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: rwarn17588 on February 25, 2009, 09:37:10 pm
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Originally posted by rhymnrzn
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
The Lord bids you to shut your mouth before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
From the day I learned it from the Lord, I was not rebellious: and you are telling me that the Lord wills me to conceal it, and not publish it. What is it to hold private interpretations, then? I would agree that the Lord wills not that we bang our heads into a wall: that would be vain!
How do you know it's the Lord guiding you and not just another voice in your head?
Or could it be ... SATAN??!!
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Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: dbacks fan on February 26, 2009, 08:50:48 am
Here is a story (http://"http://www.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1092247") about a recent bust here that was part of a nation wide crackdown.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: TUalum0982 on February 26, 2009, 08:52:04 am
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Originally posted by rhymnrzn
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
The Lord bids you to shut your mouth before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
From the day I learned it from the Lord, I was not rebellious: and you are telling me that the Lord wills me to conceal it, and not publish it. What is it to hold private interpretations, then? I would agree that the Lord wills not that we bang our heads into a wall: that would be vain!
I read several diff forums on a daily basis (IGN, E90post, and a few others). But for some reason, this board always seems to attract the lunatics and nutjobs. Why is that??
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: dbacks fan on February 26, 2009, 08:53:26 am
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
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Originally posted by rhymnrzn
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
The Lord bids you to shut your mouth before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
From the day I learned it from the Lord, I was not rebellious: and you are telling me that the Lord wills me to conceal it, and not publish it. What is it to hold private interpretations, then? I would agree that the Lord wills not that we bang our heads into a wall: that would be vain!
I read several diff forums on a daily basis (IGN, E90post, and a few others). But for some reason, this board always seems to attract the lunatics and nutjobs. Why is that??
Because Tulsa is under the buckle of the bible belt????????
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 26, 2009, 09:13:06 am
I like to think it is because we are a little more open than other places. While you may be ridiculed, you are still allowed to post whatever idea you may have. For better or worse, better I think... but that's just me.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 26, 2009, 09:59:08 am
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
I read several diff forums on a daily basis (IGN, E90post, and a few others). But for some reason, this board always seems to attract the lunatics and nutjobs. Why is that??
Thanks for noticing. Maybe it is because we are more fun?
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: TUalum0982 on February 26, 2009, 11:21:31 am
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
I read several diff forums on a daily basis (IGN, E90post, and a few others). But for some reason, this board always seems to attract the lunatics and nutjobs. Why is that??
Thanks for noticing. Maybe it is because we are more fun?
If by more fun you mean watching a cat pounce on a blind defenseless mouse that keeps running into the wall, then by all means, you are correct! I enjoy reading the great remarks and posts when people on here post, for lack of a better word, ignorant topics.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: tnt091605 on February 26, 2009, 11:42:14 am
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Originally posted by PonderInc
Read an intersting article in Newsweek about how to get drug dealers off the street (http://"http://www.newsweek.com/id/182534")
A guy named David Kennedy has spent years studying what works and what doesn't. Here's a little summary:
...he spent years in the rough neighborhoods of cities like Houston, Los Angeles and Boston. He watched the same sad pattern: locked and loaded, cops would repeatedly kick down doors—or make undercover buys to catch dealers. The locals began viewing the police the way residents of Tikrit saw the U.S. Fourth Infantry Division in the summer of 2003: as an occupying army....
In a 2004 experiment in High Point, N.C., Kennedy got the cops to try a new way of cleaning up the corners. They rounded up some young dealers; showed a videotape of them dealing drugs; and readied cases, set for indictment, that would have meant hard time in prison. Then they let the kids go. Working with their families, the police helped the dope dealers find job training and mentors. The message, which spread quickly through the neighborhood, was that the cops would give kids a second chance—but come down aggressively if they didn't take it. The police won back trust they had lost long ago (if they ever had it). After four years, police in High Point had wiped the drug dealers off the corner. They compared the numbers to the prior four years and found a 57 percent drop in violent crime in the targeted area.
...One crime-infested Nashville neighborhood where Kennedy's program was used saw a 91 percent drop in crime and prostitution in 2008, largely attributable to Kennedy's good-cop, bad-cop approach.
You can take dealers off the street. But there are 5 more waiting to take their place. I don't believe this for a minute.
Title: How to get drug dealers off the street
Post by: patric on February 26, 2009, 12:12:09 pm
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Originally posted by tnt091605
You can take dealers off the street. But there are 5 more waiting to take their place. I don't believe this for a minute.
None of the laws they have passed, or are likely to pass, make up for the fact that they ignore the law of supply and demand. California has a plan to put more than a billion dollars back into their economy, just by decriminalizing and taxing the hell out of recreational drugs. Add the additional resources they would recover by not wasting it on the "war" and they might have a better chance of pulling out of the recession altogether.
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