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Title: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: Wrinkle on June 08, 2009, 09:20:18 pm
REF:Public Works Agenda June 9, 2009, Item #9

http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/meeting_detail.php?id=18OH5S25262009122140 (http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/meeting_detail.php?id=18OH5S25262009122140)

....now that you're as shocked as I was, the good part:
http://www.tulsacouncil.org:8080/SuperContainer/RawData//SCXIMN4G365200915020/09%2D394%2D1.pdf?a=1 (http://www.tulsacouncil.org:8080/SuperContainer/RawData//SCXIMN4G365200915020/09%2D394%2D1.pdf?a=1)

...it's a deductive Change Order. That is, savings. What a concept.



Title: Re: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: FOTD on June 08, 2009, 09:35:32 pm
REF:Public Works Agenda June 9, 2009, Item #9

http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/meeting_detail.php?id=18OH5S25262009122140 (http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/meeting_detail.php?id=18OH5S25262009122140)

....now that you're as shocked as I was, the good part:
http://www.tulsacouncil.org:8080/SuperContainer/RawData//SCXIMN4G365200915020/09%2D394%2D1.pdf?a=1 (http://www.tulsacouncil.org:8080/SuperContainer/RawData//SCXIMN4G365200915020/09%2D394%2D1.pdf?a=1)

...it's a deductive Change Order. That is, savings. What a concept.



Hmmmm....conversion of IDL Fed Funding?


Title: Re: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: Wrinkle on June 09, 2009, 07:10:32 am
Hmmmm....conversion of IDL Fed Funding?

Now, that would be conspiratorial and require collusion with a contractor, wouldn't it?




Title: Re: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: Wrinkle on June 09, 2009, 08:11:18 am
I was just recalling an Ordinance or such which states a Change Order can never exceed 25% of the original Contract Amount. Even though this is a reduction, wouldn't the same rule apply?

In this case, the Original Contract Amount is $3,073,989.00

25% would be $768,497.25

....weeeugh, just under the wire.

Their $728,022.50 comes in at 23.68%

But, shown as 0% on the documents (presumably due to it being negative).



Title: Re: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: FOTD on June 09, 2009, 12:05:47 pm
Even though this is a reduction, wouldn't the same rule apply?


doubtful....

Wonder what's up....pedestrian bridge?


Title: Re: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: Vision 2025 on June 09, 2009, 01:48:16 pm
I was just recalling an Ordinance or such which states a Change Order can never exceed 25% of the original Contract Amount. Even though this is a reduction, wouldn't the same rule apply?

In this case, the Original Contract Amount is $3,073,989.00

25% would be $768,497.25

....weeeugh, just under the wire.

Their $728,022.50 comes in at 23.68%



But, shown as 0% on the documents (presumably due to it being negative).



Interesting, wonder why that differs form the State Competitive Bidding Act.

also typically the change order limit is only on additive changes.


Title: Re: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: PonderInc on June 18, 2009, 10:57:57 am
Perhaps the economy, which has put the kibbosh on construction projects throughout the nation, and the world, has caused the cost of materials to go down?  (It certainly torpedoed the value of recyclable materials...wouldn't it have a similar effect on building materials?)

On the other hand, I also heard that we got fed stimulus money to help pay for the Boulder Bridge.  (Which is good b/c the initial 3rd penny sales tax allotment was about half of that required to demo and rebuild the bridge.)


Title: Re: Wow! $728K Change Order on Boulder Bridge Demo
Post by: Conan71 on June 18, 2009, 11:10:58 am
Perhaps the economy, which has put the kibbosh on construction projects throughout the nation, and the world, has caused the cost of materials to go down?  (It certainly torpedoed the value of recyclable materials...wouldn't it have a similar effect on building materials?)

On the other hand, I also heard that we got fed stimulus money to help pay for the Boulder Bridge.  (Which is good b/c the initial 3rd penny sales tax allotment was about half of that required to demo and rebuild the bridge.)

As demand started to slow drastically for plate steel last year, the mills screeched production way, way down and kept the price inflated as long as they could.  They had unprecidented increases in price for the prior year or so.  We are finally starting to see some of the engineered/manufactured equipment systems prices coming down, but it has lagged way behind the drop in scrap price.