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Title: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: swake on August 29, 2009, 08:43:23 am
(http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2009/Thumbs/20090829_wolfgang0829a_package.jpg)

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=53&articleid=20090829_53_E1_Thisar429727

Should be good.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: Breadburner on August 29, 2009, 09:19:29 am
Franchise....Same owner as Full Moon.....


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: joiei on August 29, 2009, 10:53:55 am
I think it will make a good addition to Brookside.  At least it isn't down south.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: pmcalk on August 29, 2009, 11:39:27 am
What happened to Cosmos?


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on August 29, 2009, 03:00:47 pm
Cosmos will be next door.  It is a huge building.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: RecycleMichael on August 29, 2009, 05:04:07 pm
Please keep your eye on the Puck.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: orion on August 30, 2009, 03:49:37 pm
It may or may not end like another Fords...time will tell


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on August 30, 2009, 06:43:01 pm
Long-term success doesn't seem to be a common thing on Brookside.  What could change this trend?


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: Conan71 on August 30, 2009, 07:15:45 pm
Long-term success doesn't seem to be a common thing on Brookside.  What could change this trend?

Brook? ITR? Crow Creek? M.A. Doran? Aberson's? Mecca?

Someone else want to turn this pitch into a grand-slam?  I'm too tired to rebut Brookside negativity tonight.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: FOTD on August 31, 2009, 12:02:30 am
The devil just wonders if Tony Henry has pulled a fast one over on Miranda and Phil. The Delta space seems to be divided into two competing similar uses. And the Blue Moon a block down only means same uses up and down the street competing for the sandwich eaters. Why couldn't just one health food eatery open?

FOTD hopes the best for both these tenants but can't help wondering about full disclosure.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: TheArtist on August 31, 2009, 06:58:34 am
 Brookside is a tricky area to figure out. At this point in time, it doesnt just cater to the people who live around it.  It is a destination type area which pulls from all over the city and beyond. But that is one factor that helps to make it so "restless".  Depending on how; in or out of fashion the area is, where the next hip area is, how the economy is doing, etc. can greatly influence how well Brookside does.

Couple of other factors to consider. The population in and around Mid-town and downtown is going up as more infill happens, and I suspect this demographic is one these types of restaurants will cater to.   Wolfgang Puck itself could bring a bit more cache' and up the draw for the area increasing its "destination" status. Also, I suspect there might even be some overflow from Downtowns growing attractions. There may be people who going to a BOK Concert, dont eat downtown, but rather eat nearby on Brookside.

Anyway, time will tell.  I for one would like to see more shopping. But even here you see them frequently go out of business. My opinion on that is. A. some of them were not the best shops in the first place. B. There still arent enough of them to make it a shopping destination for me. I sometimes go into the shops there, but I dont go there to shop unless the store happens to be a destination store or one that has something in particular I want. Having about 4 or 5 more good shops, or galleries would be enough to make it a true shopping strip/destination. Right now its still in a tricky phase of, not having quite enough there to make it interesting enought to go there just to shop.

I suspect this area will always be restless. But I have noticed the trajectory over the last decade or so is definitely a steadily positive one. Just my feeling and impressions.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 31, 2009, 08:23:11 am
Long-term success doesn't seem to be a common thing on Brookside.  What could change this trend?

On top of what Conan said about many businesses doing well . . .

Most restaurants fail within 3 years.  While the cliche about 90% failing is just flat out wrong, the truth is still discouraging for restaurateurs, mom-and pop shops predictably drag the average way down.    However, betting on expensive space and a high-dollar remodel in a trendy part of town is also a big gamble. 

The real numbers are:

25% close or change ownership within one year (think creditors taking it over).

60% fail within three years.

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/apr2007/sb20070416_296932.htm

Now consider how many McDonald's or TGI's are built with nearly rock solid market research and very rarely fail. Those institutions drag the averages up and, unfortunately, constitute a large portion of the American restaurant business.  So statistically, opening a restaurant is a risky venture.

Hence, it is not surprising to see high turnover in a highly competitive Brookside marketplace. 



Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: sgrizzle on August 31, 2009, 10:04:05 am
Why is it everytime I read "Wolfgang" my mind takes it literally?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ANCwQnIjL._AA280_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Mens-Three-Short-Sleeve/dp/B002HJ377A)


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: Townsend on August 31, 2009, 10:11:28 am
Why is it everytime I read "Wolfgang" my mind takes it literally?

I always think this:

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:d5CseRrMgMdA4M:http://www.jaunted.com/files/admin/amadeus.png)(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:1TVhKBIh3mJ5TM:http://image30.webshots.com/30/7/92/86/327379286mimvdt_fs.jpg)(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:Pr-9zsXdzauKBM:http://images.allmoviephoto.com/1984_Amadeus/jonathan_moore_f_murray_abraham_amadeus_001.jpg)

I think this is great.  I hope they both succeed and bring more and more to Brookside.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: dbacks fan on August 31, 2009, 10:44:56 am
Here is the info from his Bistro in Charlotte NC. Seems to be towards the higher end on prices to me. Have not been to one so I won't speculate on the quality.

http://www.wolfgangpuck.com/restaurants/casual-dining/Wolfgang-Puck-Bistros/7547/section-menu (http://www.wolfgangpuck.com/restaurants/casual-dining/Wolfgang-Puck-Bistros/7547/section-menu)


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: joiei on August 31, 2009, 11:11:08 am
Here is the info from his Bistro in Charlotte NC. Seems to be towards the higher end on prices to me. Have not been to one so I won't speculate on the quality.

http://www.wolfgangpuck.com/restaurants/casual-dining/Wolfgang-Puck-Bistros/7547/section-menu (http://www.wolfgangpuck.com/restaurants/casual-dining/Wolfgang-Puck-Bistros/7547/section-menu)
Nothing on that menu is over $16 so the prices are very reasonable and will work with that neighborhood.   Less than Brasserie and more than The Brook.   A nice addition I think. 

Oklahoma City must be madder than an old wet hen now that we have a Hard Rock Hotel AND are getting the first Wolfgang Puck in the state. 


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: Breadburner on August 31, 2009, 11:34:02 am
Don't forget Cafe Ole' it's been going strong for years......


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: PonderInc on September 02, 2009, 02:33:26 pm
Seems like I've eaten at one in an airport somewhere.  Minneapolis or Chicago or someplace like that.  I'll assume that their restaurants are better than their airport cafes.  Otherwise...just another mediocre national chain to check off our list.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 02, 2009, 02:51:47 pm
I think Wolfgang Puck should start a chef college.

He could call it Puck U.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: SXSW on January 31, 2010, 07:16:38 pm
Is this project still moving forward?  I walked by Saturday and saw some scaffolding and a dumpster behind but it doesn't appear they are moving very fast, if at all.  I think having that corner opened up with a trendy new restaurant, big windows, and outdoor seating will be really good for Brookside so hopefully it will still open sometime this year. 


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: FOTD on January 31, 2010, 07:26:50 pm
Do not get you food hopes up.

Yes, a visual improvement.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: Red Arrow on January 31, 2010, 08:28:34 pm
Wolfgang Puck was the answer to the 3rd Frame Game puzzle in todays issue of USA Weekend in the TW.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: JoeMommaBlake on February 02, 2010, 04:00:51 am
Want to know why restaurants fail? Because unlike most industries, every Tom, Dick and Sam thinks he can open and run a restaurant. I can't think of another industry in which so many untrained and inexperienced amateurs make an attempt. I can attest to how difficult it is. I had years of experience in the industry and still struggle...today. I'm still no expert and it's still not easy. It's perhaps the most demanding and difficult job I can think of. People find that they have a nice book of recipes from grandma or they make good steaks at home and before you know it, they've scraped up some money and opened a little restaurant. As for the chains that fail, it seems that most of the time, those things happen when a mediocre product is combined with a poor assessment of location or demand...see any number of mediocre concepts that have tanked it on "can't miss 71st street."

As for those numbers, I've read some articles recently on the subject. Enjoy them:
http://www.restaurantowner.com/public/302.cfm
http://www.restaurantowner.com/public/263.cfm





Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: Renaissance on July 20, 2010, 10:03:35 am
The restaurant is set to open this week.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=53&articleid=20100717_53_E1_ByRobe135788

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The Brookside area is a good match for the concept, Essa said, but the restaurant would not have come together without the efforts of Henry, owner of In the Raw, Full Moon Cafe and The Ivey.

Henry, who had control of the building that formerly housed the Delta Cafe at 33rd Street
and Peoria Avenue, wanted to use it for something new. But for many months nothing seemed right.

"We had a lot of offers that had come from a lot of restaurants, but I knew it had to be the right fit for both me and Brookside," Henry said.


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: DolfanBob on July 20, 2010, 10:45:27 am
Pizza with Lamb Sausage. OOhh La La.  :P


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: custosnox on July 20, 2010, 10:51:53 am
Pizza with Lamb Sausage. OOhh La La.  :P
That's ba-a-a-a-a-ad


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: TheArtist on July 20, 2010, 05:22:12 pm
  Ate there this past weekend.  The food was excellently prepared.  Prices were reasonable and the drinks were fantastic. 


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: joiei on July 20, 2010, 08:06:24 pm
Darned good martini of the gin variety


Title: Re: Wolfgang Puck opening restaurant in Brookside
Post by: Gaspar on July 21, 2010, 08:04:11 am
I love the lamb sausage they make.  I ate at Spago a couple of months ago in Vegas and had the lamb sausage pizza.  It was awesome.