Title: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Hoss on December 15, 2009, 02:33:36 pm Condolences to his family
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20091215_18_0_OralRo862074 Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: FOTD on December 15, 2009, 02:52:59 pm He's gone on to that great tent show in the sky.....
Death Don't Have No Mercy Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 15, 2009, 03:33:33 pm Love him, hate him, or disagree with his religion you cannot deny what an influential human being he was.
Just like the late Billy Joe Dougherty, he put thousands upon thousands onto a better path in life. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: buckeye on December 15, 2009, 04:02:27 pm O, Death, where is your victory?
O, Grave, where is your sting? Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: FOTD on December 15, 2009, 04:09:52 pm Love him, hate him, or disagree with his religion you cannot deny what an influential human being he was. Just like the late Billy Joe Dougherty, he put thousands upon thousands onto a better path in life. Oh please....define "better path." Played with Oral once....golf that is. :o Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 15, 2009, 04:53:02 pm Oh please....define "better path." Played with Oral once....golf that is. :o A better path than addiction, hopelessness, dispair, sickness, and spiritual illness. I'm a flag waiver for spirituality, whatever flavor someone wants to choose to get there matters not to me. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: swake on December 15, 2009, 04:58:07 pm A better path than addiction, hopelessness, dispair, sickness, and spiritual illness. I'm a flag waiver for spirituality, whatever flavor someone wants to choose to get there matters not to me. A Unitarian! Let loose the hounds! Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: FOTD on December 15, 2009, 05:24:38 pm Jeebuss.....just another crutch (tossed).....
but you are correct about what one chooses for spirituality. Just keep it to yourself.... stray from proselytizers. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 15, 2009, 10:33:28 pm A Unitarian! Let loose the hounds! Nah, no labels for me anymore. I found what I've got primarily through Christianity, but other world religions figure prominently in my spiritual life. I don't prostheletize because what works for me would send another person into heroin addiction, prison, or listening to the Grateful Dead. Lots of dear friends at All Souls, but that's still organized religion and I've still got a slight issue with that and too many damn liberals...LOL. They do have some great social meet 'n greets though. To me it's all about being the best humanitarian you can and finding inner and outer peace. All things that have happened to me in the last year. Well, I can always improve, but you get my drift. This has been a totally remarkable year for me that others would have thought to be a total downer if they were in similar circumstances. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: FOTD on December 15, 2009, 11:16:36 pm Nah, no labels for me anymore. I found what I've got primarily through Christianity, but other world religions figure prominently in my spiritual life. I don't prostheletize because what works for me would send another person into heroin addiction, prison, or listening to the Grateful Dead. Lots of dear friends at All Souls, but that's still organized religion and I've still got a slight issue with that and too many damn liberals...LOL. They do have some great social meet 'n greets though. To me it's all about being the best humanitarian you can and finding inner and outer peace. All things that have happened to me in the last year. Well, I can always improve, but you get my drift. This has been a totally remarkable year for me that others would have thought to be a total downer if they were in similar circumstances. For Dr. Roberts..... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4at-v1GGhI&feature=related[/youtube] Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Red Arrow on December 15, 2009, 11:18:00 pm This has been a totally remarkable year for me that others would have thought to be a total downer if they were in similar circumstances. So you are 180 degrees out of phase with reality? Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: FOTD on December 15, 2009, 11:23:30 pm So you are 180 degrees out of phase with reality? No no....it's just that he is totally remarkable...guess he tossed his crutches. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: sgrizzle on December 16, 2009, 08:17:52 am The thread on TUROBY's facebook page on this read likes a TW comments thread. I'm not a fan of Oral but never would've imagined there are so many ready to pee on his grave.
Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: ARGUS on December 16, 2009, 11:27:30 am I grew up being back door neighbors w/ the Roberts family; we shared a fence between our properties. It was like having an area 54 for a neighbor. Never was a big fan personally of his ways. Ran into a relative of his once...at Burningman (what a small world)!
Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: rwarn17588 on December 16, 2009, 11:50:01 am Nah, no labels for me anymore. I found what I've got primarily through Christianity, but other world religions figure prominently in my spiritual life. I don't prostheletize because what works for me would send another person into heroin addiction, prison, or listening to the Grateful Dead. Lots of dear friends at All Souls, but that's still organized religion and I've still got a slight issue with that and too many damn liberals...LOL. They do have some great social meet 'n greets though. To me it's all about being the best humanitarian you can and finding inner and outer peace. All things that have happened to me in the last year. Well, I can always improve, but you get my drift. This has been a totally remarkable year for me that others would have thought to be a total downer if they were in similar circumstances. +1. A Marshall's to you, sir. And by the grace of God, or Allah, or Buddha, of whatever the hell his or her name is, we go. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Hometown on December 16, 2009, 12:12:47 pm Messed up Tulsa then went off to California to live. He was the epitome of Protestant belief. God rewards the righteous with money. Which may be the historic foundation of Protestant wealth but clearly mundane and lacking in the spiritual picture.
Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 16, 2009, 12:17:51 pm Messed up Tulsa then went off to California to live. He was the epitome of Protestant belief. God rewards the righteous with money. Which may be the historic foundation of Protestant wealth but clearly mundane and lacking in the spiritual picture. Yeah really jacked it up, left behind a University which provides jobs and buys from local provisioners and vendors and brings money into our economy from out of state and other countries. Then there's that 1.9mm square foot office complex which used to be the ORU hospital which provides a place for thousands of Tulsan's to work. Damn him! Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: FOTD on December 16, 2009, 01:02:46 pm FOTD reserves the rights to damNation on this forum, CoCo....
Oral liked Elvis (bet that Elvis loved oral) and that's good enough for me..... Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 16, 2009, 01:57:48 pm FOTD reserves the rights to damNation on this forum, CoCo.... Oral liked Elvis (bet that Elvis loved oral) and that's good enough for me..... Damn you Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Hawkins on December 17, 2009, 02:37:02 pm This is by far the friendliest Oral Roberts thread on the internet.
Channel 6's went bad right away. Outside of Tulsa, it gets much worse. I think the whole 'I have to raise $8 Million or God's going to take me home,' thing really damaged his reputation. Others have said he made his living off of scamming the elderly. Personally--not speaking as one without sin myself--but I would not want to die and have to explain to God why I was living in a mansion with security guards paid for by church donations. Jesus didn't act anything like that. Maybe all that money corrupted his brain to some extent. I just don't know, its up to God whether or not there is a mansion for him in Heaven, but somehow I doubt it. -- Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: SXSW on December 17, 2009, 03:30:11 pm Sorry, while I respect the 'good intentions' behind ORU and evangelism Oral Roberts was a scam artist. His son Richard was even worse embezzling university funds for his lavish lifestyle. Good riddance, and I am glad the Roberts no longer have any control of ORU.
Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: rwarn17588 on December 17, 2009, 03:38:11 pm On a related note, a very recent article in the Atlantic tied Oral Roberts' "prosperity gospel" to the real-estate bubble that burst. Pretty doggone compelling story.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200912/rosin-prosperity-gospel O, Oral, what hath you wrought? Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 17, 2009, 03:43:32 pm The Atlantic? Isn't that the rag that mega-conservative Andrew Sullivan writes for? That article is really reaching or just a reach-around.
Let's blame Christianity for the housing bubble? I'd expect that out of FOTD, but not you. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: rwarn17588 on December 17, 2009, 03:48:58 pm The Atlantic? Isn't that the rag that mega-conservative Andrew Sullivan writes for? That article is really reaching or just a reach-around. Let's blame Christianity for the housing bubble? I'd expect that out of FOTD, but not you. I'd never call it a rag -- especially when James Fallows still writes for it. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 17, 2009, 03:51:54 pm Everyone is looking for someone else to blame for their own naivete, stupidity, and greed. Does anyone believe in personal accountability anymore?
Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Townsend on December 17, 2009, 03:53:25 pm Everyone is looking for someone else to blame for their own naivete, stupidity, and greed. Does anyone believe in personal accountability anymore? The investors or the Oral Roberts followers? Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 17, 2009, 03:54:18 pm The investors or the Oral Roberts followers? All of the above Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Townsend on December 17, 2009, 03:55:28 pm All of the above Not as long as they are allowed to pass blame, no. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: rwarn17588 on December 17, 2009, 04:07:55 pm Everyone is looking for someone else to blame for their own naivete, stupidity, and greed. Does anyone believe in personal accountability anymore? Oh, I have no doubt there was naivete, stupidity and greed involved. One of these days I'll tell you more about when when my maximum mortgage qualification went up 100 percent in three years with the same lender, without the corresponding 100 percent increase in income. I knew then there was funny stuff going on in the real-estate industry (fortunately, I demurred in my "fortuitous" rise in credit). But there's no doubt that prosperity gospel is one of the most bastardized interpretations of the Gospels ever -- and one of the most harmful. I've seen otherwise-sensible people over the years who've recklessly overextended themselves financially and slough it off by saying, "God will take care of it." It was piety that metastasized into stunning naivete or simple greed. There's no doubt that Ol' Oral, wittingly or unwittingly, was a big driving force behind that. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 17, 2009, 04:12:46 pm But there's no doubt that prosperity gospel is one of the most bastardized interpretations of the Gospels ever -- and one of the most harmful. I've seen otherwise-sensible people over the years who've recklessly overextended themselves financially and slough it off by saying, "God will take care of it." It was piety that metastasized into stunning naivete or simple greed. It's one of the primary reasons (if not the biggest) for my distaste of organized religion. I can't stand the five minute appeal about responsibility when the plate is passed. "I'm 44 years old, pass the bucking plate, I know what to do." Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: FOTD on December 17, 2009, 04:19:59 pm The Atlantic? Isn't that the rag that mega-conservative Andrew Sullivan writes for? That article is really reaching or just a reach-around. Let's blame Christianity for the housing bubble? I'd expect that out of FOTD, but not you. HEY! This demon DOES NOT blame the housing bubble on Christianity. It was the devil and his Armey. "Everyone is looking for someone else to blame for their own naivete, stupidity, and greed. Does anyone believe in personal accountability anymore?" COCO, everyone? There's many of us who are responsible, willing to take both risk and blame. Face it, Oral Roberts initiated the ability for our government to send missionaries worldwide vis a vie satellites. C Street would not exist without his likes. Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: HazMatCFO on December 18, 2009, 04:06:40 am Oral rest in peace.
Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: Conan71 on December 18, 2009, 08:49:06 am "Everyone is looking for someone else to blame for their own naivete, stupidity, and greed. Does anyone believe in personal accountability anymore?" COCO, everyone? There's many of us who are responsible, willing to take both risk and blame. I DO generalize every now and then when I get on one of my spittle-flying rampages... Title: Re: Oral Roberts passes away Post by: bornhere on December 21, 2009, 04:38:50 pm Bette Davis once said "never say anything bad about the dead". Well, Oral's dead, and that's good!
Why anyone could mourn a TV fakir is beyond me. Surely there is a special place in hell for a charlatan like Oral Roberts who took every dime my grandmother had left. Tulsa once had ethics, now it has none, and I think the evangelistic right wing-nuts are to blame, and Oral was certainly a right wing-nut. I'll pray for him, though, that he doesn't burn too long, just long enough to think over what he did to the many pennilesss old people he ripped off, and the many people who thought they were "healed" until they got home. Thank God he's dead....believe me, I won't watch the TV coverage of his funeral. Why can't his followers raise him from the dead? Not enough faith I guess...... |