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Title: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: swake on October 04, 2013, 11:22:19 am
From the World:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/hotel-near-downtown-tulsa-s-oneok-field-planned/article_b6fa0760-2d16-11e3-bd24-001a4bcf6878.html

This is across the street to the south of where Will Wilkens is building hotel, the block is between the tracks and Archer and Detroit and Elgin. Perimeter Technologies is going to remain but the hotel will take the rest of the block. That said it’s a local company called Promise Hotels if anyone knows anything about them. No more details on brand or size.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: RecycleMichael on October 04, 2013, 11:29:18 am
The copy for those who can't open the TulsaWorld...

A hotel near ONEOK Field is planned on three-quarters of a block that the Tulsa Stadium Trust agreed to sell Friday for $1.9 million. Promise Hotels, a local management company, is the buyer of the property, which is located on a block bounded by Detroit and Elgin Avenues, Archer Street and the BNSF railroad.

The sale does not include the block's northeast one-quarter, which is occupied by Perimeter Technology Center. The property is also known as the Fleenor Block, and sits diagonally across the intersection of Elgin and Archer from ONEOK Field's southwest corner.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Townsend on October 04, 2013, 11:36:25 am
Will the hotel front on Archer?


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Gaspar on October 04, 2013, 11:40:50 am
They operate Hampton Inn, Hilton Garden Inn, Holiday Inn Express, Hyatt Hotels, Clarion Hotels, Comfort Suites, Comfort Inn, and Quality Suites.
Patel family owned.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: guido911 on October 06, 2013, 09:53:18 pm
Will the hotel front on Archer?

Yes.

(http://665880566.r.lightningbase-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/FX_Archer_WP_1024x768_2.jpg)


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: carltonplace on October 07, 2013, 08:26:04 am
It looks like this is the old tire store? I had no idea that the stadium trust owned property so far removed from the ONEOK adjacent.

(https://cbks1.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=120&ll=36.158561,-95.989612&yaw=89.3&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118)

I also noticed a big dumpster in front of the old night club that is directly west of the Driller's ticket office on Elgin.

(https://cbks3.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=120&ll=36.159917,-95.988925&yaw=286.9&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118)


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Townsend on October 18, 2013, 07:43:02 am
New hotel planned for downtown Tulsa

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/New-hotel-planned-for-downtown-Tulsa/vbVJt1U_7kWi7K6w2zmgXA.cspx (http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/New-hotel-planned-for-downtown-Tulsa/vbVJt1U_7kWi7K6w2zmgXA.cspx)

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New growth in downtown Tulsa won't just be about Tulsans shopping, living and eating downtown, but also about tourists staying downtown.

There are plans for a new hotel in the Brady District on archer, between Elgin and Detroit.

The developer told FOX23 there are plans for a 5-story Holiday Express hotel.

"Our location is ideal for business traveler as well as the leisure traveler," said Pete Patel, CEO of Promise Hotels.

He said he has a good idea of how to fill rooms in Tulsa, he already owns nine hotels around Tulsa.

Now, he's ready to join the rush to build up downtown.

"I think we're at the point where Tulsa is just about to really break out from what it is. And we're very excited. These are some exciting times for downtown Tulsa," he said.

It's the heart of the Brady District, right across from ONEOK field and just across the train tracks from downtown's business district.

It won't be the first hotel in the area.

"The Brady Fairfield that is already there is just, no pun intended, knocking it out of the park," said Delise Tomlinson with the Tulsa Regional Chamber.

But she said there's plenty of potential for another hotel to hit it big.

Patel hopes to break ground on the Holiday Inn Express in about six to eight months. The whole development should be finished within about 15 months.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: swake on October 18, 2013, 09:09:31 am
So it’s a five story Holiday Inn Express built by a suburban small hotel owner named Patel (aren’t they all?), probably about 150-200 rooms.  No mention of any retail or structured parking so it’s likely to be a pretty suburban type of build with little to no street interaction. The picture of the hotel in the video looks ok and it’s being built up against the railroad tracks and the bridges over them so it’s not a prime site anyway. Overall not great, but not terrible.

Will Wilkin’s new hotel across the street is a more important location to have something that interacts with the neighborhood and he is talking multi-use and underground parking.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: ex-riverman on October 18, 2013, 09:23:13 am
the video mentioned a 200 car parking garage.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on October 18, 2013, 09:27:40 am
Maybe they can finally shut the bucking trains up at night.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: swake on October 18, 2013, 09:36:59 am
the video mentioned a 200 car parking garage.

Missed that. That is good news.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 21, 2013, 02:39:39 pm
Maybe they can finally shut the bucking trains up at night.

You will get used to them....

They aren't THAT loud.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on October 21, 2013, 03:31:47 pm
You will get used to them....

They aren't THAT loud.


I have only stayed in a hotel downtown once.  It was the Hyatt and I heard the horns several times and it is a few blocks away.  I can only imagine trying to sleep closer to the tracks.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 21, 2013, 07:55:47 pm
I have only stayed in a hotel downtown once.  It was the Hyatt and I heard the horns several times and it is a few blocks away.  I can only imagine trying to sleep closer to the tracks.

I stay at a place near OKC that is about 800 feet from the train.  Becomes soothing after a while.....



Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on October 21, 2013, 07:58:34 pm
I stay at a place near OKC that is about 800 feet from the train.  Becomes soothing after a while.....



Never heard anybody call a train horn soothing before.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 21, 2013, 08:05:28 pm
Never heard anybody call a train horn soothing before.

Especially if it is raining on a tin roof!!

Am also actively looking for a school bus now, and one of the accessories will be a train horn (with compressor and air tank!).  So if you see a radically painted schoolie running around that makes a LOT of noise at times, you will know who it is!  Nathan K5LA looks like a good choice....

http://www.hornblasters.com/products/details.php?i=nathan-airchime-k5-540-train-horn-kit

5 chimes gives a 'full' sound that you can really appreciate when some idiot on the turnpike cuts you off at the work zones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHXp6XPAAo



Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Hoss on October 21, 2013, 09:58:22 pm
Never heard anybody call a train horn soothing before.

I guess I got used to them having a train running behind my back yard when I was younger, living in the 1400 blk of S Elgin (don't look it up; it doesn't exist anymore except for maybe a freeway ramp).


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Weatherdemon on October 22, 2013, 07:24:10 am
You do get used to the to trains but it isn't something I would personally use to entice people to buy from me.
"Oh, that little noise? That's just a train. You only hear it 5-8 times a day and you get used to it. The one at 5:00AM on Saturday isn't as a bad as it sounds."


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: dsjeffries on October 22, 2013, 02:43:27 pm
What happened to the Quiet Zone?

And here's the rendering of the hotel featured in the Fox 23 story:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5510/10428483355_17b7eaf952.jpg)


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: ZYX on October 22, 2013, 04:11:54 pm
I'm pleasantly surprised! That looks great! I was downtown yesterday and walked by that site and thought about how much better the area would look with a nice building on the corner. Hopefully this hotel lives up to its renderings.

EDIT: if they could take what appears to be EIFS and replace it with brick, at least for the ground floor, that would make it even better and  complement the surrounding buildings.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: rdj on October 22, 2013, 04:40:31 pm
That rendering put this on the SE corner of Archer & Detroit, correct?

If so, it'll be across from Archer Market/New Medio/Detroit Lofts/Rusty Crane.  That corridor has filled out nicely.  It will also be across Detroit from the proposed OK Pop Museum & parking garage.  I would assume that is the parking garage mentioned in the earlier posts.

For what it is worth, according to land records GKFF purchased the building from David Sharp in 2008 for $500m.  It was transferred to the Stadium Trust in 2010 with no amount given on the warranty deed.  The parking lot behind (south) of the building has a deed for $1.1mm filed by GKFF but multiple properties were involved in that transaction.

TDA actually owns the land directly west of the ballpark, or the NW corner of Archer & Elgin.  That is where Wilkens hotel is going, correct?

Also, was the old tire building on this block too bad to incorporate into the new hotel?


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: sgrizzle on October 22, 2013, 10:23:48 pm
What happened to the Quiet Zone?

The quiet zone means trains don't honk at those intersections, but they only have done the main intersections closest to the downtown core. Some of the intersections on the edge of downtown are not yet converted.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: carltonplace on October 23, 2013, 06:50:18 am
What happened to the Quiet Zone?

And here's the rendering of the hotel featured in the Fox 23 story:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5510/10428483355_17b7eaf952.jpg)

At fist glance I thought I was looking at the County Court House on Denver.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Conan71 on October 23, 2013, 07:47:47 am
That rendering put this on the SE corner of Archer & Detroit, correct?

If so, it'll be across from Archer Market/New Medio/Detroit Lofts/Rusty Crane.  That corridor has filled out nicely.  It will also be across Detroit from the proposed OK Pop Museum & parking garage.  I would assume that is the parking garage mentioned in the earlier posts.

For what it is worth, according to land records GKFF purchased the building from David Sharp in 2008 for $500m.  It was transferred to the Stadium Trust in 2010 with no amount given on the warranty deed.  The parking lot behind (south) of the building has a deed for $1.1mm filed by GKFF but multiple properties were involved in that transaction.

TDA actually owns the land directly west of the ballpark, or the NW corner of Archer & Elgin.  That is where Wilkens hotel is going, correct?

Also, was the old tire building on this block too bad to incorporate into the new hotel?

$500m??? As in 1/2 billion?


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Hoss on October 23, 2013, 08:19:18 am
$500m??? As in 1/2 billion?

I'm guessing probably $500k, but that was a hell of a deal if so!   ;D


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: carltonplace on October 23, 2013, 09:34:03 am
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5510/10428483355_17b7eaf952.jpg)


(https://cbks0.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=120&ll=36.150198,-95.993583&yaw=229.1&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118)


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: onehandoneheart on October 23, 2013, 09:46:36 am
Here's a larger rendering of the hotel, sourced from Promise Hotels' website. (http://promisehotels.com/news/new-holiday-inn-express-coming-brady-district (http://promisehotels.com/news/new-holiday-inn-express-coming-brady-district)) Do we know if there is any street-level retail planned?

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/598885/Promise-Hotels_Brady_Renduring.jpg)


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: rdj on October 23, 2013, 09:48:48 am
$500m??? As in 1/2 billion?

$500,000

In my world $500mm would be $500,000,000.  Sorry for the confusion.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: Conan71 on October 23, 2013, 10:22:22 am
Here's a larger rendering of the hotel, sourced from Promise Hotels' website. (http://promisehotels.com/news/new-holiday-inn-express-coming-brady-district (http://promisehotels.com/news/new-holiday-inn-express-coming-brady-district)) Do we know if there is any street-level retail planned?

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/598885/Promise-Hotels_Brady_Renduring.jpg)

If it's anything like their new HIE in El Reno which opened last spring, it will be really nice inside.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: dsjeffries on October 23, 2013, 11:25:54 am
At fist glance I thought I was looking at the County Court House on Denver.

I thought the same thing!


And this may be wishful thinking, but it looks like it's designed with street-level retail in mind. Maybe.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: rdj on October 23, 2013, 11:54:02 am
The rendering actually has a brick look it.  The windows also appear to be large and similar to the Perimeter Technology Center building next door.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: sgrizzle on October 23, 2013, 03:38:56 pm
Do we know if there is any street-level retail planned?


The developer of this project was involved in the other hotel in brady, in particular the ground floor retail.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: swake on October 23, 2013, 04:31:47 pm
The developer of this project was involved in the other hotel in brady, in particular the ground floor retail.

I think you are thinking of the other new hotel in Brady


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: ZYX on October 23, 2013, 04:36:04 pm
The rendering actually has a brick look it.  The windows also appear to be large and similar to the Perimeter Technology Center building next door.

You're right. The larger picture shows more detail and what appears to be brick. If that's the case, then I don't have any complaints with this project. That area is looking great.


Title: Re: A second new hotel planned in Brady
Post by: LeGenDz on October 23, 2013, 05:01:17 pm
I think you are thinking of the other new hotel in Brady
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