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Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: ttownclown on October 12, 2006, 08:42:14 pm Does anyone know what happened to the Bartlett Square fountian? It has major damage and has been that way for what seems months. Any time frame for repairs?
Also- anyone else find it odd that Bartlett Square is round? Shouldn't it be renamed Bartlett Circle? Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Breadburner on October 12, 2006, 09:14:02 pm A drunk chick from Owasso ran into it about 2am several weeks back.....
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Hometown on October 12, 2006, 09:33:47 pm Speaking of the Bartlett Square Fountain, Tulsa could have a great New Years Eve tradition if the city arranged a free celebration at the fountain every New Years Eve. The people would be the attraction. All it would cost the city would be police overtime. Throw in a dropping ball and tv coverage and Tulsa would have a major public event -- for very little cost.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: OKmetro on October 12, 2006, 10:42:48 pm That sounds like a real nice idea... It would fell up quick...
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: NellieBly on October 13, 2006, 07:42:36 am I work right down the street from the fountain and walk by it regularly. One thing I noticed is that is seems rather puny like it would seem more in place in front of a Maple Ridge mansion. To paraphrase, maybe since it's broke it should be fixed. Maybe if it was a little more impressive drunk chicks from Owasso wouldn't run into it.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: inteller on October 13, 2006, 11:33:21 am she wasnt drunk, owasso doesnt have roundabouts so the idiot simply didn't know what to do.[}:)]
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Breadburner on October 13, 2006, 12:20:50 pm Tulsa's Barlett Square Fountain Damaged
KOTV - 8/21/2006 10:13 AM - Updated 8/22/2006 9:08 AM The centerpiece of downtown Tulsa's Main Street renovation has been damaged. Tulsa Police say a drunk driver ran into the Bartlett Square fountain. It could cost around $43,000 to fix it. The fountain was paid for by third penny sales tax money. The insurance company of the driver, Melissa Medlock from Owasso, has agreed to pay for the damage, but it could take months. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on October 13, 2006, 01:28:21 pm Interesting.. I decided to google "melissa medlock"...
There's a Dallas Cowboy's cheerleader with same name from Owasso? Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on October 13, 2006, 02:58:12 pm The new and improved Bartlett "square" is rather depressing...and totally inadequate to the task of providing a vital space for gathering, listening to music, sidewalk cafes, etc. It's in the center of the road, but certainly not a centerpiece!
Here's an example of a perfectly-located, totally under-utilized, hideously-designed (I've heard it was intentionally designed to be unwelcoming--so that it would not attract bums...) space. (http://preview.sk786.photosite.com/~photos/tn/4762163_348.ts1159501492299.jpg) Every day, I pass this space, and imagine it as the "heart" of Main street. I picture a total redesign: space for a permanent outdoor stage, market stalls, benches, landscaping, etc... Imagine a restaurant (adjacent to the McFarlin building, currently a mud pit) that opens on to Main street AND this reimagined public space. I know that it is privately owned...but it's a blemish in the heart of downtown...and it could be so much more! In my opinion, this is the space that could most impact Main Street, and help support revitalization in the area. Perhaps a better solution than a plaza would be to turn it back into interesting buildings with shopfronts...allowing people to once again shop, eat, and be entertained here. I'm happy to hear about the Centennial park down at 6th and Main, but I worry that it's location at the "edge" of the central business district will be a limitation. (Hopefully, infill development will eventually occur in all those wasted surface parking lots south of there, and the park will some day be surrounded by better things...). Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on October 13, 2006, 03:37:30 pm They gave the "Main Mall" concept, what 20 years?
Seems like DTU was behind the Main Mall, as it would bring so many people back downtown. Then they blamed the lack of people coming downtown with a lack of parking and not being able to drive up Main St. I wish they'd make up their mind. Maybe they need someone with more vision than Jim Norton. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: tulsa1603 on October 15, 2006, 11:24:11 pm quote: That would be her. I went to HS there and I know her family...I had to laugh when I realized she's the one that hit it. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Chicken Little on October 16, 2006, 07:47:39 am (http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/9271/images/melissa98.jpg)
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on October 16, 2006, 08:14:06 am Melissa, Melissa....
Next time, if you need a ride. Give me a call. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Breadburner on October 16, 2006, 08:24:35 am quote: You have a Moustache Bk..? Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on October 16, 2006, 08:29:36 am quote: They probably aren't used to seeing fountains in the middle of the street either. Maybe we should paint the fountain with a cow pattern. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: bacjz00 on October 16, 2006, 09:30:35 am The Bartlett "Square" fountain is about the most UNinspiring design I've seen for a public fountain. It's small, it has no character, it's just basically UNDERwhelming. Kansas City could crap out a better fountain than that. Another example of how Tulsa strives to be "mediocre" in just about everything it does.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: SXSW on October 16, 2006, 11:45:00 am I think the fountain is lame and should just be removed. My vision for Main Street in the distant future would be to see Main extended from 3rd Street to 1st Street like it used to be. Of course it would require some modifications to Crown Plaza and the Williams building but nothing too drastic. That way you can drive/walk/bike from the heart of Brady through the business district, past the church district, and into Uptown. Maybe one day there could be a streetcar line there as well.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: OKmetro on October 16, 2006, 12:21:24 pm Then where well all the bums meet if we get rid of the fountain? [:P]
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on October 16, 2006, 01:10:14 pm quote:Indeed I do.[}:)] Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: SoonerRiceGrad on October 19, 2006, 01:25:47 am Oh my goodness, that's Melissa Medlock?
I think she mistook the fountain for me... Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: ttownclown on January 08, 2007, 09:51:45 pm OK Melissa, the Cowboys season is officially over. Please come home and fix our fountian.
Why isn't this thing fixed? I know it's Winter, but 6 months is a bit much. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on January 09, 2007, 04:07:36 pm Every time I walk by this very round roundabout fountain and read the words "Bartlett Square," I wonder if this was done to confuse people, or just to make us look dumb.
I think the fountain is just the right size for a New Year's celebration...if you filled it with Champaign. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: robbyfoxxxx on January 09, 2007, 06:05:02 pm They should have left it alone, with the terraced water fountain from the 1970's and shade trees, the renovation was supposed to open up the street and bring in business, wheres the beef? All that money was spent on renovation, and for what? Its just as abandoned as it ever was. And its just as purposeless as the the first fountains, which were torn down. It just made downtown Tulsa even blander...
Pass the Salt and Pepper please Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheArtist on January 09, 2007, 10:52:42 pm ^Patience padawan learners, patience.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on January 10, 2007, 09:32:53 am Until some new buildings with shop-front windows are built on Main (to replace all those that have been torn down for parking or random empty space), I'm afraid that Main street is doomed.
Because you would have to have enough capital to build new buildings, there's no place for spunky entrepreneurs to play a role (as they can in Brady and the Blue Dome areas...where all the little buildings were not torn down). Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Rico on January 25, 2007, 06:55:23 am quote: At this point... this may be a better suggestion than anyone had realized. Either this or a few well placed bollards ....... Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on January 25, 2007, 08:56:19 am And it gets hit again
Bartlett Square Fountain Damaged In Overnight Crash Thursday January 25, 2007 7:31am Posted By: Kevin King www.KOTV.com Tulsa - The Bartlett Square fountain in downtown Tulsa was damaged overnight after a driver ran into it. According to police, the woman was driving south on Main when she hit the fountain, cracking the car's windshield. The woman then got out of her car and ran away, hiding in an alley near 4th and Boston. Police arrived and later found the woman and arrested her on suspicion of DUI. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on January 25, 2007, 09:28:41 am I say replace the fountain with a giant obelisk with the all seeing eye of Sauron.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on January 25, 2007, 11:05:26 am I say we build a big nude statue there that drivers could see at night.
I am a big fan of the Golden Driller and think we need similar sized statues all over town. One could be peeking in a city hall window, another wading the Arkansas river, maybe one that straddles route 66... Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: dsjeffries on January 25, 2007, 11:13:01 am quote: That's hilarious, and you know, it's odd enough to give Tulsa that icon the Vision planners were so keen on making the BOk Center into... :-) Wading in the river... :-P Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: jdb on January 25, 2007, 11:14:44 am "...we need similar sized statues all over town." - recycle
As a child, your parents read Gallivers Travels to you a lot didn't they? Could be what you really want is to transorm the IDL into some likeness of Lilliput, but are afriad of being too obvious? Curious. Stubbed my toe on the fountain night before last while walking home. The thing is so small that if I had tried to do that I probably would have missed. jdb Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on January 25, 2007, 05:13:05 pm quote: Would the one in the river be standing "pee deep?" If so, I would enjoy a lifetime of chuckles...and would gladly donate to the cause! ("Pee deep" - Definition: The depth at which it becomes impossible to ascertain whether or not a person standing in a body of water is actually peeing.) Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheArtist on January 25, 2007, 06:10:21 pm quote: Simply flabbergasting lol. And some still have the gall to say that humans didn't evolve from primates. Ran into an alley and hid lol, Silly monkeys. [;)] Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: inteller on January 25, 2007, 06:36:29 pm pancakes, is the fountain a dui magnet? maybe TPD should put these at checkpoints to catch DD.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: NellieBly on January 27, 2007, 06:54:09 am I guess Owasso drivers education doesn't include traffic circles in the curriculum. Both girls were from Owasso.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Kiah on January 27, 2007, 10:10:55 am From this morning's Tulsa World article (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=070127_Ne_A17_Navig18325"):
'I hate to spend a lot of money on it, but we're talking about traffic engineering, speed bumps, lights and reflective material or something,' (DTU Director Jim) Norton said." That all seems a bit excessive, doesn't it? It seems like a simple "No Drunk Owasso Girls, Age 20-30" sign would suffice. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on January 27, 2007, 10:54:12 am quote: I could see using Raised Pavement Markers (RPM's) to show where the road goes: (http://www.mrtraffic.com/circledetailrpm1.jpg) Some Examples (http://"http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?a=gcbdc&c=dfjdc") ...but just about anything retroreflective will beat another Acorn Glare Bomb in the face. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: swake on January 27, 2007, 11:23:05 am quote: Was this Owasso chick a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader too? Bartlet Square, THE place to be for drunken Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders from Owasso..... Kinda has a ring to it. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: jdb on January 27, 2007, 12:36:48 pm "Bartlet Square, THE place to be for drunken Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders from Owasso....." - swake
Sure, but then you'll need a public restroom. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: swake on January 27, 2007, 12:39:36 pm quote: Is that why she ran off into the alley? Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on January 27, 2007, 11:53:44 pm It seems our goofy little bird bath of a fountain is a "chick magnet."
Perhaps we should declare the fountain "functionally obsolete" and demolish it. Then stick a real fountain in the upcoming Centennial Park one block south. Then rename "Centennial Park" to "Bartlett Square." Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: AVERAGE JOE on January 28, 2007, 08:44:59 pm quote: Maybe the Owasso Character Council would chip in a few bucks... [}:)] Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on January 29, 2007, 12:00:49 am quote: Afterall, they are a "City of Character." [:D] Perhaps next month's "character" banner could read: "Sobriety: Ensuring that my buddies take the car keys away whenever I drink Miller Lite." Or... "Drunk driving: Knowing that if our community would license a few bars, I wouldn't have to drive to Tulsa to get all liquored up." Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: perspicuity85 on January 29, 2007, 12:59:41 am "If you can't dodge it, ram it."
Apparently the Owasso Rams take that slogan to a whole new level when they drive downtown. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on January 29, 2007, 07:02:44 am The centennial park is supposed to get a good fountain. Maybe we could go real high tech and replace the bartlett square fountain with a hologram...
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 03, 2007, 01:06:57 pm I can see it now -- an impenetrable barrier made up of $1500 Acorn lights. ...or maybe if it's bright enough the drunks will actually slow down thinking they can order a Big Mac...
Downtown fountain hit a third time; lights slated http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=070303_Ne_A11_Downt16464 Like moths unable to stop themselves from flying into a flame, some drivers seem to be drawn to the Bartlett Square fountain, which was struck in the dark by a motorist for the third documented time. A security guard discovered an abandoned car that had crashed into the fountain, located in the middle of a traffic circle at Fifth and Main streets, early Friday. Jim Norton, president of Downtown Tulsa Unlimited, said Friday that repairs to the fountain will begin soon. "We're going to put lights on it and make it more visible when it's repaired," Norton said. "It will be a matter of days before it (repair work) begins." Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheArtist on March 03, 2007, 02:58:52 pm This is absolutely baffling. How can people be driving forward and not see that fountain? Its not that dark in that area no matter what time of night it is and if your driving at night you would have your car lights on anyway. Its not like that fountain is unexpectedly darting out into the middle of the street like a child or another car. I mean if you can't see something that large, right in front of you and not moving, how do these people drive at all?
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: AVERAGE JOE on March 03, 2007, 04:48:12 pm quote: Alcohol has been involved in all three crashes. I drove past it this afternoon, doesn't look too bad. Nice scuff marks on the curb. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: deinstein on March 04, 2007, 12:47:07 am This is the second Owasso girl's MySpace...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46588518 (http://"http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46588518") She went to high school with my roommate. I think this is her third DUI he said. We had a laugh about it. These people could have rides if they would just make a simple phone call. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheArtist on March 04, 2007, 07:35:52 am Third! Thats horrible. Don't they have a 3 strikes and your out law? She should go to jail before she kills someone.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TURobY on March 04, 2007, 08:46:48 am Are there even any bars in that area of downtown? How are drunks even finding that place?
I've been drinking enough times downtown to know that you'd almost have to go out of your way to do something that foolish. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: deinstein on March 04, 2007, 11:50:00 am Well, they are girls from Owasso...not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on March 04, 2007, 01:46:17 pm quote: **ouch* (or as spelled in Owasso: ouwach) Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: tulsa1603 on March 04, 2007, 02:56:05 pm quote: That's what I want to know! I've been to a lot of bars downtown, and I have NEVER wound up on Main...All the bars seem to be north of the railroad tracks, and Main doesn't even go through to that area. Seems like you see most traffic zooming down Cincinnatti or Denver to get to the BA or Riverside. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on March 04, 2007, 03:16:12 pm I am not here to argue in favor of more drunk Owasso girls coming to Tulsa...but I can see how people would hit this fountain.
First of all, where else in town do you have a little traffic circle like this? The fountain is small, dark and dull colored, and the driver is distracted by looking at all the tall buildings. I think the size of the fountain is the biggest problem. It is too small to see and too big to be in the middle of the road. We can do better. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: deinstein on March 04, 2007, 08:25:28 pm Personally, I think people driving drunk is the biggest problem. [}:)]
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on March 05, 2007, 01:42:24 pm On the bright side, the fountain prevents northbound drunks from crashing into the Crowne Plaza Hotel (which is in the middle of the street another block or two up the road)!
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on March 11, 2007, 09:00:46 pm "Three strikes and you're out."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070303_Ne_A11_Downt16464&breadcrumb=Article%20Search The article says that the fountain was first turned on in March of 2005, and was hit for the first time in May 2005. So it was in operation for...uh...2 months...2 years ago? Perhaps instead of repairing it, DTU should replace it with a rubber one. Or maybe the fountain could be like one of the city park's "splash pads." The jets of water would come right out of the ground. You could drive over it any time you wanted to rinse the salt from the undercarriage of your car... Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: MichaelC on March 11, 2007, 09:02:41 pm Make it to where it explodes on contact.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 11, 2007, 10:58:38 pm quote: Feeling a little bloody today, arent we? Maybe not a deterrent, but at least no repeat offenders: Light fixture kills motorist http://www.starnews.com/article.php?lightpm0103.html The Indianapolis Star A 24-year-old woman died this morning when her car struck a light pole and the lamp crashed through the sunroof striking her, Marion County sheriff's deputies said. The victim, Shawna Perry, 8100 block of Ehlerbrook Road, was the only occupant in the car. Her car left the roadway in the 7800 block of Shelbyville Road on the Southeastside. The car struck a light pole marking a neighborhood entrance. The decorative, cast iron fixture and glass globe, fell through the car's sunroof and struck Perry in the head, said Sgt. Jan Kistler. Perry, a waitress, died at the scene. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: lowdbrent on March 17, 2007, 05:34:19 pm I have a sincere question. Who cares?
I have never understood why people are expected to come back downtown? What possibly could you do there, that cannot be done in a nicer, healthier, safer place? Nothing. Let DT be the business district and the burbs be where we live after 5pm. Maybe someone has some insight into this. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheArtist on March 17, 2007, 07:02:55 pm quote: If you don't like a city environment and prefer a suburban one... nobody would expect you to "come back downtown". But there are a lot of people who like living in an urban environment. Especially a lot of the young "creative class" types who now leave Tulsa, and the suburbs, to get that city/urban lifestyle they want, but in other cities. So why not make Tulsa's downtown and mid-town more liveable and diverse so that those people and businesses will choose to move to Tulsa or stay in Tulsa and not move to other cities that do have great urban environments. A thriving downtown will create more jobs. Downtown has been slowly dying and its not just people that have been moving away, but jobs as well aka the 26%vacancy rate. Jobs can just as easily be in the suburbs, or other more liveable cities, as well as Tulsa's downtown. Tulsa can't keep losing people and jobs and the suburbs will fall flat on their faces if Tulsa's core and image goes to ruin. Not to mention why waste time, fuel, money for roads and just the hassle of a commute everyday? A lot of people don't like doing that and would like to live, work, play, shop in the same area. (don't forget environmental concerns of ever expanding suburbs, pollution from commuting, cost of expanding infrastructure and services) If you like the suburbs, have at it and make them the best suburbs you can. But those of us who like living in walkable urban districts will try to make Tulsa's core into the best, competitive, walkable, urban district we can. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: inteller on March 18, 2007, 06:52:22 pm quote: sweet, that sounds like something out of Final Destination 2 Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 23, 2007, 10:38:38 am It survived Saint Paddy's OK...
Tulsa fountain to receive a makeover http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b5d218c5-8010-4e15-8f6a-6e51176fd369 City officials say that they hope that after the makeover, the Bartlett Square fountain will be more aesthetically pleasing -- and less vulnerable -- to passing motorists. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on March 23, 2007, 01:38:46 pm Well maybe it will be more reliable too.
I think a well-lighted moving fountain will be a lot better than the glorified birdbath we had. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: inteller on March 23, 2007, 03:14:51 pm quote: where will the bums take a bath now? look out, DT is fixing to get more stinky! Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 24, 2007, 10:35:57 pm quote: Rather than the "great, big floodlight" the Whirled jokingly opined, some underwater lighting would add sparkle and emphasis to the planned waterworks if it were done in moderation. The important thing is that they wouldnt be putting something bright in a driver's field of vision that defeats the purpose of the illumination. Glad they are also talking about using reflectors. "Passive Illumination" like retro-reflective markings, RPM's or "cat's eyes" come into play when someone's headlights are bearing down on the target, but otherwise can be made to blend in. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: booWorld on April 26, 2007, 11:48:57 pm My theory:
The two women from Owasso might have been a bit tipsy, but perhaps they weren't expecting a fountain in the middle of the intersection of 5th and Main. Perhaps they were expecting a fountain on the southwest corner of that intersection, as was heavily promoted by DTU with drawings on "Pardon Our Progress" construction signs and banners for months and months and months and months and months and months. And perhaps the third driver wasn't drunk at all. Perhaps it was Lawrence Halprin. Perhaps he was stone cold sober, and perhaps he deliberately smashed into the fountain. Perhaps he sprinkled alcohol all over the upholstery of the car he abandoned in an effort to complicate the investigation and to confuse the issue. But the issue is incredibly simple, really. We had a fountain in the middle of that intersection for about 30 years. In the 1970s, taxpayers were told that it was a great idea. Then taxpayers were told that a fountain in the middle of that intersection was an awful idea and that it had to be removed! Then taxpayers footed the bill to do what? They paid to build another fountain right in the smack dab middle of the very same intersection, but with vehicular traffic roaring toward it from four directions this time! It's about awful urban design. It's about bait and switch. It's about wasting precious tax dollars. It's about circular (il)logic. It's about false pride and smashed dreams. It's about expensive street clutter destined for drunken destruction. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on April 27, 2007, 06:24:24 am Hey boo world...long time no hear...welcome back.
I totally agree with your bait and switch comments. We were told something way different. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on April 27, 2007, 06:35:50 am Nice to see you booworld.
I don't like the oscillation on what the main mail should be either. However, if you build a pedestrian infrastructure and do nothing about having pedestrian facilities as well, what did they expect? Where are the chains shutting off the main mall at lunch time? Why are the "short term parking spots" on 2 hour meters? If there are cars, why are their no crosswalks or even a "danger, pedestrians" sign? Who has right of way? The only things I do like is that it got rid of the old broken-down bricks, the homeless/skateboarder island, and they didn't put the obelisk in the middle of the road. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheArtist on April 27, 2007, 08:09:47 am quote: I think they were "tipsy" too tipsy to realize there was a fountain in the middle of the intersection. And thats that. Its not as though we are the first city in the world to put a fountain in the middle of a main street intersection or roundabout. I think we are lucky that they only ran into the fountain and not another car, a motorcycle, or a child. Perhaps we are lucky downtown isn't very busy at those times because they could have killed someone. If your not able to notice a fountain, expected or not, your not likely to notice a child darting into your path and a lot of other things for that matter. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: si_uk_lon_ok on April 27, 2007, 01:20:25 pm quote: booWorld, great to see you back!! Has the Dick Cheney barricade subsided yet? I think its sad that Tulsa hasn't taken me up on my suggestion of replacing the fountain with a Las Vegas style volcano erupting on the hour. A one strike and you're out rule for drunk drivers. Tough love. I'm sure you'll understand. Rumor has is you like it that way. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on April 27, 2007, 01:38:31 pm quote: The geyser fountain at centennial green is supposed to do something like that. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheArtist on April 27, 2007, 04:48:53 pm OMG a geyser fountain. Can you imagine that going off when one of those drunk Owasso girls drives by? That may startle them, no telling what they will run over then. [:P]
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: PonderInc on June 20, 2007, 02:52:28 pm Has anyone noticed that the Bartlett Square Fountain has lost it's oomph? It's starting to resemble a Portland "Bubbler" drinking fountain!
(http://www.oregon.com/trips/images/jcfountain200.jpg) Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: T-Town Now on June 20, 2007, 03:46:52 pm That fountain is one of the most unimpressive fountains I've ever seen.
And what is it with people who are too stupid to know how to go around it? I see people taking short cuts to the left all the time. Are drivers in Tulsa really that stupid? Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on June 20, 2007, 04:05:21 pm quote: Confused and inexperienced would probably be fitting. 4 way stops? Yes, our minds can handle it, for the most part. Roundabouts in Tulsa? questionable Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: T-Town Now on June 20, 2007, 09:28:20 pm quote: This isn't the only one in Tulsa. There's Admiral Circle and another one on South Hudson. If drivers are so confused and inexperienced that they can't make a better choice than to crash into it, they have no business behind the wheel of a vehicle. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: ttownclown on June 20, 2007, 09:43:45 pm quote: Oh, I agree. I really thought the original champagne glass bowl was ho-hum. But the new design is really pathetic. How much did it cost to "repair" the fountain? Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on June 21, 2007, 08:25:04 am quote: I know this. Have you watched people on Admiral? Take some popcorn and a chair. It's a show. Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: NellieBly on June 21, 2007, 11:59:20 am Tulsa drivers can't even handle a four way stop much less a traffic circle.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: CoffeeBean on June 21, 2007, 07:40:56 pm truly pathetic and uninspiring. Shame on those responsible. This torpid example of civic pride is simply embarrasing.
Title: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on June 22, 2007, 10:55:52 am quote: I had to look that up tor·pid1 /#712;t#596;rp#618;d/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tawr-pid] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. inactive or sluggish. 2. slow; dull; apathetic; lethargic. 3. dormant, as a hibernating or estivating animal. 1. slow and apathetic; "she was fat and inert"; "a sluggish worker"; "a mind grown torpid in old age" I disagree, I feel very ert. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 25, 2010, 10:59:34 am http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12538582 (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12538582)
Quote Driver's Insurance To Pay For Bartlett Square Fountain Repair In Tulsa so there's that Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: dbacks fan on May 25, 2010, 11:05:28 am OK so the drivers insurance will cover the missing chunk, who is paying to take care of the tire mark in the photo as well as the curbing?
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on May 25, 2010, 11:19:48 am Is this from the 2008 or the 2006 incident?
Why in the world did it take this long to settle? She hit it with a car. Not complicated. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 25, 2010, 11:28:20 am Is this from the 2008 or the 2006 incident? Why in the world did it take this long to settle? She hit it with a car. Not complicated. Insurance company and the city...imagine that meeting. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Cats Cats Cats on May 25, 2010, 11:29:55 am Just in time for Mayfest.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: dbacks fan on May 25, 2010, 12:11:35 pm Is this from the 2008 or the 2006 incident? Why in the world did it take this long to settle? She hit it with a car. Not complicated. 5 will get you 10 that a lawyer was involved somewhere along the line. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on June 16, 2010, 09:58:27 am Any news as to what kind of repairs will actually be covered on the Fountain? Or is the repair so small I've missed it?
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on June 17, 2010, 11:58:37 am They need to put some barriers around it that can stop a vehicle from crashing into it. While they are at it, make it an impressive water fountain and traffic circle. That's the least they could do to make up for tearing out the main mall.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 27, 2011, 10:19:54 am TULSA, Oklahoma -- A driver appears to have survived a close encounter with a downtown Tulsa fountain. Tulsa police were called to the traffic circle at Main and 5th Street just after 3 a.m. Sunday after a pickup hit the fountain in the middle of the street.
Corporal August Terbrock said the driver failed to follow the circle and instead hit the Bartlett Square fountain, ramping over the concrete water feature and landing on the other side of Main. There was significant damage to the truck and the fountain. Terbrock said the driver, a male in his 20s, was knocked unconscious at impact and was taken to a Tulsa hospital. There was some talk about not enough light, but in the photo, it looks like their might be the wrong kind of light. Some (not all) city planners just dont realize that Acorn lights are mostly glare, which results in poor night vision, which results in... Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: dbacks fan on March 27, 2011, 10:42:20 am TULSA, Oklahoma -- A driver appears to have survived a close encounter with a downtown Tulsa fountain. Tulsa police were called to the traffic circle at Main and 5th Street just after 3 a.m. Sunday after a pickup hit the fountain in the middle of the street. Corporal August Terbrock said the driver failed to follow the circle and instead hit the Bartlett Square fountain, ramping over the concrete water feature and landing on the other side of Main. There was significant damage to the truck and the fountain. Terbrock said the driver, a male in his 20s, was knocked unconscious at impact and was taken to a Tulsa hospital. There was some talk about not enough light, but in the photo, it looks like their might be the wrong kind of light. Some (not all) city planners just dont realize that Acorn lights are mostly glare, which results in poor night vision, which results in... No offense patric, but I doubt very seriously lighting was the contributing cause. To pull an Evel Kienevel and jump the fountain he had to be doing over the speed limit which is 25 IIRC. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: DTowner on March 27, 2011, 11:20:39 am Indeed, speed and alcohol much more likely culprits than lighting. Was an Owasso cheerleader in the truck?
Possibly a preview of things to come at 10th/11th & Elgin. Maybe that plan should include the installation of rubber bumpers. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on March 27, 2011, 11:29:06 am Knocked unconscious or passed out?
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 11:44:40 am Maybe that plan should include the installation of rubber bumpers. Rubber bumpers would bounce the offending vehicle back into traffic. Something along the line of the yellow barrels that are by bridge piers on the turnpikes would certainly be advisable. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 27, 2011, 12:18:27 pm Lets turn it into a giant pit that swallows cars.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 12:20:32 pm Lets turn it into a giant pit that swallows cars. It would have be pretty huge to not quickly fill up. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 27, 2011, 12:24:55 pm No offense patric, but I doubt very seriously lighting was the contributing cause. To pull an Evel Kienevel and jump the fountain he had to be doing over the speed limit which is 25 IIRC. No offense taken. Speed appears to be the culprit, but something else may have contributed to him not being able to see the fountain he Dukes-of-Hazard-ed over. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: cynical on March 27, 2011, 12:33:17 pm Blind drunk?
No offense taken. Speed appears to be the culprit, but something else may have contributed to him not being able to see the fountain he Dukes-of-Hazard-ed over. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 12:42:21 pm Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Hoss on March 27, 2011, 12:43:57 pm Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: ttownclown on March 27, 2011, 12:53:19 pm I think it's time we cut our losses and remove the fountain from the middle of the street. That thing is trashed.
The original concept photos of the "New Main Mall' showed another fountain at the southeast corner of 4th & Main (caddy corner to Arbys). I think the convenience store at the corner still has those photos up on his wall. Maybe they can use the insurance money to re-build it there? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 01:05:29 pm I think it's time we cut our losses and remove the fountain from the middle of the street. That thing is trashed. The original concept photos of the "New Main Mall' showed another fountain at the southeast corner of 4th & Main (caddy corner to Arbys). I think the convenience store at the corner still has those photos up on his wall. Maybe they can use the insurance money to re-build it there? Think of the fountain as a harsh punishment for being a stupid driver. Perhaps an expensive speed bump experience. A drunk driver trap. It makes me think about the road around the NW side of Maui (Hawaii). Steep drop-offs, narrow one lane in many spots, blind corners. My friend and I determined it to be the Maui anti-drunk-driving program to not improve the road. Edit: See pictures of the road on Maui http://www.hawaiihighways.com/photos-Kahekili-Hwy.htm Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: DTowner on March 27, 2011, 02:05:32 pm Think of the fountain as a harsh punishment for being a stupid driver. Perhaps an expensive speed bump experience. A drunk driver trap. It makes me think about the road around the NW side of Maui (Hawaii). Steep drop-offs, narrow one lane in many spots, blind corners. My friend and I determined it to be the Maui anti-drunk-driving program to not improve the road. Edit: See pictures of the road on Maui http://www.hawaiihighways.com/photos-Kahekili-Hwy.htm Yes, it is the Bartlett Fountain Hall of Shame - never underestimate the power of public humiliation. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Breadburner on March 27, 2011, 08:04:41 pm They should re-name it "The FADD Fountain"....Fountains Against Drunk Drivers.....
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on March 28, 2011, 06:56:21 am They should re-name it "The FADD Fountain"....Fountains Against Drunk Drivers..... It is time that we gave it a name so it can enter the lexicon of other Tulsa land marks like "Duct Tape Arena", "Hyperdermic Needle" "Homeless Highrise" etc. I submit the below Drunk Diver Fountain Bartlett Square Circle Car Pool Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on March 28, 2011, 11:40:53 am It is time that we gave it a name so it can enter the lexicon of other Tulsa land marks like "Duct Tape Arena", "Hyperdermic Needle" "Homeless Highrise" etc. I submit the below Drunk Diver Fountain Bartlett Square Circle Car Pool Bullseye Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on March 28, 2011, 11:42:34 am Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: SXSW on March 28, 2011, 11:47:08 am Think of the fountain as a harsh punishment for being a stupid driver. Perhaps an expensive speed bump experience. A drunk driver trap. It makes me think about the road around the NW side of Maui (Hawaii). Steep drop-offs, narrow one lane in many spots, blind corners. My friend and I determined it to be the Maui anti-drunk-driving program to not improve the road. Edit: See pictures of the road on Maui http://www.hawaiihighways.com/photos-Kahekili-Hwy.htm I have driven that highway in Maui. Stunningly beautiful but very nerve-wracking. Luckily I drove it early in the morning when I had to "pass" only 2 cars on a one land road above 200 ft. cliffs with sheer rock on one side and the ocean on the other.. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: custosnox on March 28, 2011, 12:01:35 pm Speedbump Bartlett... Oh, waitTitle: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 28, 2011, 01:10:17 pm I have driven that highway in Maui. Stunningly beautiful but very nerve-wracking. Luckily I drove it early in the morning when I had to "pass" only 2 cars on a one land road above 200 ft. cliffs with sheer rock on one side and the ocean on the other.. Did you go around the SE part of the island too. Also very pretty. The General Store in Kaupo (sp?) was an interesting collection of old cameras and typewriters. I bought a Tee shirt. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on March 28, 2011, 02:01:08 pm http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=14335889 (http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=14335889) Quote TULSA, Oklahoma -- A City of Tulsa engineer says damage to the fountain in Bartlett Square is severe and could require replacement of everything but the plumbing. A driver ran his pickup into the fountain early Sunday with enough force to vault over the backside of the fountain and land just outside the intersection. The plumbing in the fountain continued working, though the concrete on all sides is damaged. The driver was injured and Tulsa Police officers at the scene suspected he had been drinking. A blood alcohol test was ordered and authorities are waiting for the results before pursuing charges. Engineer Chris Cox said if the fountain is rebuilt with the current design, the City would add steel bollards around the perimeter to protect it. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 28, 2011, 02:11:01 pm But really, if someone's drunk, that the first thing TPD tells the media, right?
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on March 28, 2011, 02:11:39 pm Hazzard Founty
Main Distraction Cheerleader Magnet Oh Crap Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on March 28, 2011, 06:35:18 pm The full damage:
http://twitpic.com/4eduts/full Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 28, 2011, 06:38:08 pm I think it should be replace with a giant cone. That way when somebody tries to jump the fountain as long as they are going, say.. 35mph or higher they can make it to the other side.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 28, 2011, 07:08:03 pm I think it should be replace with a giant cone. That way when somebody tries to jump the fountain as long as they are going, say.. 35mph or higher they can make it to the other side. Watching too much "Dukes of Hazard"? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Markk on March 29, 2011, 05:43:14 am Watching too much "Dukes of Hazard"? I sure wish the powers that be would admit that paltry fountain was a huge mistake and put something in that is more substantial. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: custosnox on March 29, 2011, 06:11:32 am I sure wish the powers that be would admit that paltry fountain was a huge mistake and put something in that is more substantial. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on March 29, 2011, 06:43:51 am I sure wish the powers that be would admit that paltry fountain was a huge mistake and put something in that is more substantial. Per the engineer: Quote Engineer Chris Cox said if the fountain is rebuilt with the current design, the City would add steel bollards around the perimeter to protect it. (http://www.chdist.com/images/products/74-738_bk.jpg) I'm guessing this ugly or worse. It'll really look welcoming. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 29, 2011, 07:13:28 am Per the engineer: (http://www.chdist.com/images/products/74-738_bk.jpg) I'm guessing this ugly or worse. It'll really look welcoming. I would guess worse. That wouldn't stop a car at even 25 mph. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on March 29, 2011, 07:16:55 am and it doesnt have any flashing yellow lights
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on March 29, 2011, 07:22:34 am Sooner or later you'd think they would get the idea that putting concrete structures in the middle of street intersections is a really bad idea.
Anyone care to bet on whether or not the driver had insurance and how quickly he will wiggle out of any responsibility including a DUI charge? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 29, 2011, 07:41:58 am Honest, the tree was in the road...
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=uvalde,+tx&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=41.632176,90.791016&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Uvalde,+Texas&ll=29.21432,-99.778028&spn=0,0.003793&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=29.214001,-99.778027&panoid=jPh736M0hMW83Fnf8783Bg&cbp=12,243.68,,0,0 Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on March 29, 2011, 07:42:32 am Bahahahaha!
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 29, 2011, 10:31:56 am Anyone care to bet on whether or not the driver had insurance and how quickly he will wiggle out of any responsibility including a DUI charge? It could have been another drunk cheerleader, or illegal Mexicans for all we know, because this time the police arent releasing the identity or any details about the midnight olympiad. Other than the fountain is totaled, what's special about this case? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: nathanm on March 29, 2011, 01:12:08 pm I would guess worse. That wouldn't stop a car at even 25 mph. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqlkPhDfwM&t=67s[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPEW2OMIU8&t=4s[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leL26IJ4eus[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcF0ibca4I[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCZk69q2uA[/youtube] Hopefully they anchor the concrete, unlike in the last video. ;) Oh, and have you ever noticed the ugly bollards at OneOk Plaza along 6th street? ;) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on March 29, 2011, 01:42:17 pm Not sure I agree with the Bollards, while that will protect the fountain it might increase possibility of injury to the
The fountain needs to be brought up to eye level and have safe illumination to make it more visible at night. (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wq9qXd2nHG4/Sel4unc4cII/AAAAAAAAJRA/sKXt8qfhMS8/s400/25.jpg) Or maybe drop it below street level (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/15976113.jpg) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 30, 2011, 10:20:11 am Not sure I agree with the Bollards, while that will protect the fountain it might increase possibility of injury to the Bollards alone might just add liability, unless they were very very discretely illuminated. Of course, if visibility is the only problem, the outside lip surrounding the bowl could incorporate LED downlighting so that the bowl is illuminated enough to stand out (without creating any glare of it's own). Warm white LEDs, of course ;D. Some sort of traffic calming device on approach to the fountain would be a good idea, as well. Yes, I realize the fountain itself was supposed to be a traffic calming device, but poorly implemented in that respect, and too vulnerable. Anyone ever hear who the mystery celebrity is that hit the fountain? Got to be someone interesting for it to be kept such a secret. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Red Arrow on March 30, 2011, 10:53:20 am Some sort of traffic calming device on approach to the fountain would be a good idea, as well. Yes, I realize the fountain itself was supposed to be a traffic calming device, but poorly implemented in that respect, and too vulnerable. It has been somewhat effective in calming selected traffic. Make it a bit tougher and we might have a winner. Who says the roads have to be safe for impaired or distracted drivers? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: nathanm on March 30, 2011, 11:18:13 am Warm white LEDs, of course ;D. Like this?(http://www.treehugger.com/Philips-AmbientLED-12-watt-LED-Lightbulb-photo-0001.jpg) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: dbacks fan on March 30, 2011, 11:23:26 am Just my $.02, take the dam thing out and make it a four way stop sign intersection. From the appearence the intersection is choked enough with the streets being about twenty feet wide as it is.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: nathanm on March 30, 2011, 11:26:51 am Just my $.02, take the dam thing out and make it a four way stop sign intersection. From the appearence the intersection is choked enough with the streets being about twenty feet wide as it is. As someone who drives through the intersection regularly, I disagree. I like not having to stop unless there's traffic already in the circle. It definitely lends a more pleasant feeling to the immediate area, at least when it doesn't look like it was run over by a tank.Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: TheTed on March 30, 2011, 12:17:59 pm The street is already "calmed." It's narrow. It's not smooth. There are buildings up to the sidewalk on most of that three-block stretch.
The speed limit's 25, but everything about that street tells you to go slower than that, like 15 or 20mph. The guy who hit that hard enough to cause that kind of destruction had to be seriously stupid plus seriously distracted. The fountain itself may suck, but there's nothing wrong with that intersection other than its location in the middle of many dumbass drivers. People can't even get the fact that in America, we drive on the right. So many people turn left there rather than going 3/4 way around the fountain. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: OurTulsa on March 30, 2011, 12:53:06 pm The street is already "calmed." It's narrow. It's not smooth. There are buildings up to the sidewalk on most of that three-block stretch. The speed limit's 25, but everything about that street tells you to go slower than that, like 15 or 20mph. The guy who hit that hard enough to cause that kind of destruction had to be seriously stupid plus seriously distracted. The fountain itself may suck, but there's nothing wrong with that intersection other than its location in the middle of many dumbass drivers. People can't even get the fact that in America, we drive on the right. So many people turn left there rather than going 3/4 way around the fountain. Agree. That intersection is pleasant from many perspectives. The slower speeds actually aid traffic through-put. A 4-way stop would be an unecessary step back in terms of traffic management. From a pedestrian and aesthetic perspective the circle adds alot of value. The fountain itself isn't exactly beautiful but it is nicer than flat brick-stamped asphalt/concrete. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 30, 2011, 01:05:49 pm Agree. That intersection is pleasant from many perspectives. The slower speeds actually aid traffic through-put. A 4-way stop would be an unecessary step back in terms of traffic management. From a pedestrian and aesthetic perspective the circle adds alot of value. The fountain itself isn't exactly beautiful but it is nicer than flat brick-stamped asphalt/concrete. I think I have seen just about as many people hit the fountain as the average number of people sitting at it through the entire year. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: carltonplace on March 31, 2011, 07:43:24 am I think I have seen just about as many people hit the fountain as the average number of people sitting at it through the entire year. No one is going to sit at this fountain unless the street is closed for an event. Maybe we can call it "fail fountain" Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on March 31, 2011, 07:44:31 am No one is going to sit at this fountain unless the street is closed for an event. Maybe we can call it "fail fountain" Not as long as there's a big bullseye in the center of it they won't sit at it. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on March 31, 2011, 08:03:34 am Definitely not a "sitting fountian" I never saw anything in the design that said "sit on me"
However, Kenny (or whatever the guitar singing dude's name is) regularly stood/sat around it. He seems a little lost/misplaced right now. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 31, 2011, 09:16:51 am Definitely not a "sitting fountian" I never saw anything in the design that said "sit on me" However, Kenny (or whatever the guitar singing dude's name is) regularly stood/sat around it. He seems a little lost/misplaced right now. That guy has been raising money for the last few years in his guitar case to rebuild the fountain. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 31, 2011, 10:48:30 am While that's a neat bulb, nathanm, I was thinking of linear cove lighting under the lip of the fountain, where the light source is concealed but the fountain itself is illuminated.
(http://www.phantomlighting.com/Images/Aquarium8.jpg) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 04, 2012, 10:37:05 am I couldn't remember where the city was with the fountains.
Will it be a splash pad fountain? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: dsjeffries on May 04, 2012, 01:12:33 pm I couldn't remember where the city was with the fountains. Will it be a splash pad fountain? More like a bird bath. Replace the water once a month in the summer and hope that it rains enough the rest of the year to keep it filled. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on May 04, 2012, 02:18:46 pm More like a bird bath. Replace the water once a month in the summer and hope that it rains enough the rest of the year to keep it filled. The city of Tulsa has agreed to pay a total of $315,000 to the parents of two unrelated children who died from a rare, water-borne disease after playing at a Mohawk Park splash pad in the summer of 2005. Terrell Hampton II, 9, and Martinez Owens, 7, both died Aug. 5, 2005, after becoming sick with the naegleria fowleri infection days earlier. The lawsuit alleged that both boys were exposed to the naegleria fowleri amoeba while playing at the splash pad in the city park. Naegleria is caused by an amoeba that lives in warm water. The rare infection caused by naegleria cannot be contracted by drinking water or merely wading in it; the water must go up a person's nose, where the amoeba enters the body through the nasal passage and then follows the central nervous system to the brain. The water park and playground adjacent to the Tulsa Zoo opened in July 2003. After the illnesses, the city closed the splash pad and officials said the system would be revamped so it no longer used recirculated water. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 04, 2012, 02:26:08 pm The city of Tulsa has agreed to pay a total of $315,000 to the parents of two unrelated children who died from a rare, water-borne disease after playing at a Mohawk Park splash pad in the summer of 2005. Terrell Hampton II, 9, and Martinez Owens, 7, both died Aug. 5, 2005, after becoming sick with the naegleria fowleri infection days earlier. The lawsuit alleged that both boys were exposed to the naegleria fowleri amoeba while playing at the splash pad in the city park. Naegleria is caused by an amoeba that lives in warm water. The rare infection caused by naegleria cannot be contracted by drinking water or merely wading in it; the water must go up a person's nose, where the amoeba enters the body through the nasal passage and then follows the central nervous system to the brain. The water park and playground adjacent to the Tulsa Zoo opened in July 2003. After the illnesses, the city closed the splash pad and officials said the system would be revamped so it no longer used recirculated water. I don't think the plans were for a playground splash pad. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: swake on May 04, 2012, 02:54:13 pm I don't think the plans were for a playground splash pad. But that could be interesting see as how attractive that spot is for cheerleaders from Owasso.... Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 04, 2012, 03:22:22 pm But that could be interesting see as how attractive that spot is for cheerleaders from Owasso.... Undercarriage washes galore Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on May 04, 2012, 03:32:56 pm Undercarriage washes galore (http://www.networkworld.com/community/files/imce/img_blogs/odence-surprise.jpeg) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on May 05, 2012, 05:19:40 pm I couldn't remember where the city was with the fountains. Will it be a splash pad fountain? New fountain will have no bowl, basically submerged jets. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 07, 2012, 11:21:01 am New fountain will have no bowl, basically submerged jets. Timed to surprise people walking over them? A giant bidet? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: AquaMan on May 07, 2012, 11:44:27 am Maybe its a conservation thing. Showers use less water than baths.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on May 07, 2012, 11:55:49 am Timed to surprise people walking over them? A giant bidet? Likely not. Think of Fountain Place in Dallas: http://www.dallasarchitecture.info/fountain.htm Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 07, 2012, 12:00:04 pm Likely not. Think of Fountain Place in Dallas: That could be funny if it shot up and surprised some out of town folks... (http://www.dallasarchitecture.info/fountpl-3.jpg) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: custosnox on May 07, 2012, 01:27:20 pm That could be funny if it shot up and surprised some out of town folks... Particularly if they are drunk and driving over it(http://www.dallasarchitecture.info/fountpl-3.jpg) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on May 07, 2012, 01:37:02 pm Particularly if they are drunk and driving over it Owassan car wash. Raising funds for cheerleading. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on September 24, 2013, 10:23:53 pm The World is on top of it:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Downtowns_crash_prone_Bartlett_Square_fountain_to_be/20130924_11_0_DonWal856917 Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on September 25, 2013, 06:57:53 am The World is on top of it: http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Downtowns_crash_prone_Bartlett_Square_fountain_to_be/20130924_11_0_DonWal856917 Quote a design that Downtown Coordinating Council Manager Tom Baker calls drunken-driver-proof. “It was designed that way because we keep tearing up what’s down there,” he said. “If, by chance, some drunk redneck Okie decided to take their pickup over the top of it, it won’t damage the fountain.” I bet some drunk redneck Okie will take that challenge. It's going to be 9 inches tall...Not many cars smaller than an SUV have that kind of clearance. We will have our damaged fountain back soon. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Oil Capital on September 25, 2013, 09:31:55 am Anyone keeping a running total of how much has been spent on this water feature?
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: davideinstein on September 25, 2013, 01:23:10 pm Anyone keeping a running total of how much has been spent on this water feature? Enough to buy the Sinclair... Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on September 25, 2013, 02:48:54 pm I suggest we rename Bartlett Square to Bidet Circle.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on September 25, 2013, 03:10:00 pm Threadwinner^^^
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Ed W on September 25, 2013, 04:13:13 pm How long before Biker Fox uses it to cavort in skin hugging wet spandex splendor?
(I'm really sorry to put that unseemly image into your heads. Really.) Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Hoss on September 25, 2013, 04:14:19 pm How long before Biker Fox uses it to cavort in skin hugging wet spandex splendor? (I'm really sorry to put that unseemly image into your heads. Really.) What? No references to Owasso cheerleaders yet? I'm disappointed in you all! Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 25, 2013, 06:25:39 pm I can hardly wait to throw a box of Tide in there...!
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Hoss on September 25, 2013, 07:24:05 pm I can hardly wait to throw a box of Tide in there...! Ah yes, reminds me of my days at The Falls.... Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 02, 2014, 11:15:20 am The nearly-re-completed fountain now has landing lights, sort of...
The base has a ring of yellow chasing LEDs that work like road construction signs that indicate a closed lane. That's in addition to the other LEDs that illuminate the water jets from below. Saw it on a news station that didnt post a link to the web, so I may venture to take a photo. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: sgrizzle on March 02, 2014, 12:57:54 pm The nearly-re-completed fountain now has landing lights, sort of... The base has a ring of yellow chasing LEDs that work like road construction signs that indicate a closed lane. That's in addition to the other LEDs that illuminate the water jets from below. Saw it on a news station that didnt post a link to the web, so I may venture to take a photo. Maybe the lights will help them understand to go right? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on March 02, 2014, 01:01:09 pm Maybe the lights will help them understand to go right? I think that's the plan, but then, we're sober (possibly). Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on March 02, 2014, 05:56:56 pm Saw it on a news station that didnt post a link to the web, so I may venture to take a photo. There's this awful picture I took on Fri: http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20364.msg280104#msg280104 it needs a short little video or animated gif. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on March 13, 2014, 01:49:18 pm The fountain is already broken.
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Conan71 on March 13, 2014, 01:49:54 pm The fountain is already broken. Was their an Owasso cheerleader skirt somewhere near it? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Vision 2025 on March 13, 2014, 02:52:26 pm The fountain is already broken. or is it just "off"?Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: davideinstein on March 13, 2014, 03:10:34 pm The fountain is already broken. I just laughed and went about my day. Can we just get rid of this thing? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on March 13, 2014, 03:20:54 pm It is surrounded by orange barrels. I supposed it could be just off, but why would it be off today?
If it has to be surrounded by orange barrels, it will be the ugliest half a million dollars we ever spent. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on March 13, 2014, 03:24:57 pm It is surrounded by orange barrels. I supposed it could be just off, but why would it be off today? If it has to be surrounded by orange barrels, it will be the ugliest half a million dollars we ever spent. It was already ugly. I sure hope there was some sort of agreement that if something breaks within 3 weeks, it'll get fixed by someone who fabricated or installed it. Has the company that installed the lights gone BK yet? Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Vision 2025 on March 13, 2014, 03:57:08 pm It is surrounded by orange barrels. I supposed it could be just off, but why would it be off today? maintenance, service, testing, or just for sport... lots of variables here including that the Contractor may not have wanted to place it into operation untill it was accepted by the City. What I do know, is the final acceptance documents and payment request has not reached me yet.If it has to be surrounded by orange barrels, it will be the ugliest half a million dollars we ever spent. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Vision 2025 on March 13, 2014, 03:59:47 pm It was already ugly. The City has a standard one-year warranty period (per statute) requirment that starts with acceptance which is typically backed up by a bond. I sure hope there was some sort of agreement that if something breaks within 3 weeks, it'll get fixed by someone who fabricated or installed it. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: saintnicster on March 18, 2014, 07:58:07 am They're waiting on a surge protector for the lights. Guess they want to try and avoid what happened to the bridge :)
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/downtown/repairs-complete-tulsa-fountain-to-light-up-downtown-soon/article_c656a2b3-0f52-5a30-9e66-cb634ccc48fa.html Quote Repairs to Bartlett Square Fountain are complete but the fountain will not be turned on for another two weeks as the city awaits the installation of a surge protector, city officials said Monday. "They have been done (with the repairs) since March 5. Now they are waiting on the surge protector," said Brad Crutcher, the construction manager for the city's Field Engineering Department. Crutcher said the project was scheduled to be completed by the end of last week. "They didn't want to turn the lights on until they get surge protectors," he said. "And that is supposed to happen in the next two weeks." Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on April 16, 2014, 02:20:31 pm I had this environmental event downtown today on the block to the north of the Bartlett Fountain. We had 30 plus booths and a live band. The fountain sprayed water all over because of the wind and ran down the street to the north in a three foot wide path. If affected the sound systems of the band and meant festival goers to have to jump across the flowing water to get across the street.
I didn't realize that when the Mayor said he was going to put water in the river he meant the new river on Main Street. River Bartlett. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on April 16, 2014, 03:46:32 pm I had this environmental event downtown today on the block to the north of the Bartlett Fountain. We had 30 plus booths and a live band. The fountain sprayed water all over because of the wind and ran down the street to the north in a three foot wide path. If affected the sound systems of the band and meant festival goers to have to jump across the flowing water to get across the street. I didn't realize that when the Mayor said he was going to put water in the river he meant the new river on Main Street. River Bartlett. Well that'll make Mayfest a hoot if there's a breeze. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: saintnicster on April 17, 2014, 08:16:47 am Well that'll make Mayfest a hoot if there's a breeze. Since they announced the new fountain, I've been picturing it being used as a splash pad. Though looking at the implementation, it's a very aggressive splash pad :D Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: BKDotCom on April 17, 2014, 09:53:02 am Fountain height needs to be inversely proportional to wind speed.
1 word: anemometer Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on April 17, 2014, 11:05:28 am Fountain height needs to be inversely proportional to wind speed. 1 word: anemometer It might blow the surge protector Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: davideinstein on April 17, 2014, 02:56:50 pm I am playing it this summer.
:D Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Vision 2025 on April 18, 2014, 01:27:19 pm I had this environmental event downtown today on the block to the north of the Bartlett Fountain. We had 30 plus booths and a live band. The fountain sprayed water all over because of the wind and ran down the street to the north in a three foot wide path. If affected the sound systems of the band and meant festival goers to have to jump across the flowing water to get across the street. So did you call anyone at Public Works? I didn't realize that when the Mayor said he was going to put water in the river he meant the new river on Main Street. River Bartlett. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: RecycleMichael on April 18, 2014, 05:55:26 pm I reported it to Paul Strizek and Tom Baker. Who should I have called?
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Vision 2025 on April 21, 2014, 08:50:12 am I reported it to Paul Strizek and Tom Baker. Who should I have called? Those are great, just wondering if you had done anything with it.Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: cannon_fodder on April 21, 2014, 09:01:46 am River Bartlet flows anytime the wind downtown is over 10mph or so. I'd venture 3 days a week. The rivernisnt because of water blowing that far - the drainage grates are only 4" or so wide. The water simply flows OVER the grate.
The fountain is the same basic design as one at TU between engineering buildings. They have a MUCH wider platform (twice as wide) and still have drain grates twice as large. The downtown fountain should have had another town of drains where the brick starts, or otherwise planned for this foreseeable issue. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Vision 2025 on April 21, 2014, 02:39:33 pm River Bartlet flows anytime the wind downtown is over 10mph or so. I'd venture 3 days a week. The rivernisnt because of water blowing that far - the drainage grates are only 4" or so wide. The water simply flows OVER the grate. The fountain is the same basic design as one at TU between engineering buildings. They have a MUCH wider platform (twice as wide) and still have drain grates twice as large. The downtown fountain should have had another town of drains where the brick starts, or otherwise planned for this foreseeable issue. I mentioned it to Paul Zachary today; the fountain appears to have a variable flow controller as does the 6th and Boston fountain which also douses the street when the winds are blowing hard. It'll get tuned. Has anyone else seen the Bartlett Fountain at night, pretty darn cool looking and anyone who drives through/over it will have intended to do so in my humble opinion. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: cannon_fodder on April 21, 2014, 02:51:19 pm I agree! I like the fountain a lot. Adds life to the intersection and pretty colors at night.
You'd just think the fountain designer/engineering firm would have encountered this issue. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Vision 2025 on April 22, 2014, 12:48:05 pm I agree! I like the fountain a lot. Adds life to the intersection and pretty colors at night. I'm guessing this is just a tuning issue.You'd just think the fountain designer/engineering firm would have encountered this issue. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: Townsend on April 23, 2014, 03:44:37 pm Bartlett Fountain Rededicated
http://kwgs.com/post/video-bartlett-fountain-rededicated (http://kwgs.com/post/video-bartlett-fountain-rededicated) Quote Mayor Dewey F. Bartlett Jr., joined by District 4 City Councilor Blake Ewing and Downtown Coordinating Council Chairman George Shahadi, held a dedication today for the new Bartlett Square Fountain at Fifth Street and Main Street in downtown Tulsa. The new fountain in the middle of the traffic roundabout features nine water jets springing from openings in the round structure. LED lights illuminate the fountain at night. Construction of the fountain was completed in March. Tulsa firm Howell & VanCuren designed the plans for the fountain. The City contracted with Voy Construction for this $448,000 project. Funding for the project has come from Vision 2025 funds for historical markers and $100,000 in insurance claims from damage to the previous fountain. Bartlett Square is named after Mayor Bartlett’s father, Dewey F. Bartlett Sr., who served as an Oklahoma State Senator, Governor of Oklahoma, and a U.S. Senator. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: davideinstein on April 24, 2014, 02:58:19 pm I mentioned it to Paul Zachary today; the fountain appears to have a variable flow controller as does the 6th and Boston fountain which also douses the street when the winds are blowing hard. It'll get tuned. Has anyone else seen the Bartlett Fountain at night, pretty darn cool looking and anyone who drives through/over it will have intended to do so in my humble opinion. Yeah it's a great addition to the neighborhood for sure. Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: davideinstein on June 04, 2014, 02:28:05 pm Broken again?
Title: Re: Bartlett Square Fountain Post by: patric on June 27, 2024, 10:44:41 am Broken again? Has it been ten years? My how time flies when you are driving a speeding Corvette over city landmarks. Police said around 11:30 p.m. Wednesday, three people were in a Corvette that was speeding along Main Street when it went into the roundabout intersection where the old fountain used to be, and hit the base of the fountain that's still there. That caused the driver to lose control and hit a small tree, then a light pole and a barbershop pole, before slamming into the entrance of the Main Park Plaza building, police said. https://www.newson6.com/story/667d376e80abd7363c0d09ec/3-people-ran-from-scene-of-car-crash-into-downtown-tulsa-building-police-say |