Alright, I know I am going to get some flack for this, but, Are there no impressive restaurants in Tulsa? Two things made me decide to start this thread, the Dallas conversation which reminded me of some of the flashy places I have been to there, and having just had a friend visit from out of town this last weekend.
I have run into this so often. Someone comes in from out of town and you want to take them to a fun, unique, really nice place to have dinner. Some place that will impress them on their visit to Tulsa. But I for the life of me can never think of any place like that here.
McNellies, Lola's, places on Brookside and Cherry street. I enjoy them, they are fun little dives in their own way and certainly improvements that I am glad we have. But... like this particular friend, ok, date, from Fayetteville, they have places like that there so that wouldn't be anything impressive. The old building thats been turned into a pub or trendy whatever, those are a dime a dozen in even small cities.
What Tulsa seems to be missing is that big city, impressive restaurant. It also does not have a really sleek, contemporary, place either. None with a knockout view, nor one of those high ceilinged, marbled columns and floors, crystal chandelier, flower arrangements taller than you, types either lol. I have been to all kinds of really wonderful restaurants all over the US and the world, and honestly Tulsa is big enough that it should easily have at least a couple of comparible ones, but it doesn't.
Brasserie, Stonehorse, Polo Grill?
Cherry Street: Tucci's, Palace Cafe?
Mahogany...
I though Flavor's, the Warren Duck Club, and McGills were supposed to be in this range.
I wouldn't know.
The Wildfork (Utica), The Summit Club (Downtown), Table Ten (Brookside), The Checker Board (Downtown-ish)...
Perhaps not the grand scale of the Oak Room or the Waldorf, but very fine places to eat with top notch food and nice atmosphere. CERTAINLY all of the above fulfill your criteria of sleek and contemporary with nice atmosphere, 4 star food, and the ability to drop $200 on a dinner for 2. Certainly any should be enough to impress a date.
Also, the room service at the Double Tree is nice - wink wink.
You mean Chalkboard at the Ambassador Hotel. Flavor's is closing. He is opening a new restaurant by the river at Kings Landing.
Palace cafe is wonderful. Warren Duck Club is way past its prime. McGill's is just a business man's steak house. Nothing really special there.
I think if you know where to look, you can find a restaurant that will impress out of towners. French Hen is still nice, too. Richard Clark knows his craft.
Jamil's is still my all time favorite.
Best flavor, large portions, 4 or 5 course meals and lots of fun watching the drunks and mixed variety of people there. One night there were 5 OHP at one table, four drunks at another and one person fell flat face first on the floor making a loud ca-blam noise. It was classic, wish I had my video camera for that one.
Fancy Smancy linens and decorations don't fill you up. I travel over 65,000 miles to 12 states every year, and I have never found another restaurant/steak house where I get as much quality food to eat for $9.95 as I do at Jamil's, and the entertainment is free!
I always call it the Checker Board and my wife always corrects me. Damnit. Do they have checkers menus or something, or am I just crazy?
Anyway, nice place.
Jamil's is still my all time favorite.
Best flavor, large portions, 4 or 5 course meals and lots of fun watching the drunks and mixed variety of people there. One night there were 5 OHP at one table, four drunks at another and one person fell flat face first on the floor making a loud ca-blam noise. It was classic, wish I had my video camera for that one.
Fancy Smancy linens and decorations don't fill you up. I travel over 65,000 miles to 12 states every year, and I have never found another restaurant/steak house where I get as much quality food to eat for $9.95 as I do at Jamil's, and the entertainment is free!
This past week I ate at the Blues Street Cafe in Memphis, then at a BBQ place in North Carolina.
Both had pretty good Baby Back Ribs, but the portions were very small on the side orders and the ribs.
Place in N.C. severed an Onion Casserole made with Vandalia Onions.
Memphis now has the large FedEx Forum for Basketball, and the Autozone Baseball field just north of the FedEx Building. They also have the Toyota Plaza.
Beal Street was busy on Thursday afternoon when I was there. A large contingent of motorcycle police were escorting a custom coach bus, may have had a sports team aboard for an event there.
I got some photos and a movie of the inside of the Blues Street Cafe, may post them up later.
Tulsa is so Ghetto compared to most other cities I visit on our trail. Where are the National Corporate sponsors?
Here are the photos of Memphis Beale Street and the Stadiums. Our friends Log Cabin 440 miles East that is under construction in the Smokey Mountains.
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/ampracing10/Memphis%20North%20Carolina/
Two are Movies inside the Beale Street Blues Street Cafe.
Bodeans is nice. I also like Silver Flame. Of coursee, you can never go wrong with Bennigans. /sarc
Nothing personal Artist, but I think people get myopic when it comes to the amenities of their own city. I feel like we have plenty of really good eateries and good entertainment for a city our size.
There just might be some people who come here from Kansas City or Dallas who say: "I wish we had that back home."
I used to be stunned at how many people from out of town wanted to go to Casa Bonita, of all places. That was some of the worst Mexican food on the face of the planet, yet, to out-of-towners it was "special".
BTW- Guido, I heard the other night Bodean's will be moving across the street to the old Blockbuster store site when their present building is torn down for I-44.
When I have out of town guests, places that I take them to to impress are
Stonehorse
Polo Grill
Brasserie
Wild Fork
Fifty5Degrees
Tucci's
Albert G's (I think we have better bbq than Dallas)
Mahoganys
French Hen
I also take folks to Rio Verde for breakfast, it is not diner style food.
In terms of impressive restaurants, some of the places in Dallas that have tons of style have not very good food. And to turn a local culture into a food culture takes time. When I lived in Portland in the early 80s, it was not a food centered city. It has grown a dynamic food culture. We need to encourage and spend our monies in our local places. If a city is to grow a food culture, it has to be more than just restaurants, it also has to improve the quality of the markets, it has to develope a citizen base that thinks about its food and sources. We do not have a great bakery. Panera is not a bakery. We do have some nice independent coffee shops, growth. Having a lot of chain places is not food culture, that is food by repetition.
A lot of friends have been impressed with what we do have. You might be surprised, go to Shreveport, I think we have more quality places to dine. Expensive menus do not impress me as much as the quality of what is on the plate.
Te Kei's really has a nice feel that I enjoy without the crowds.
You can always go to one of the Japanese steak houses that put on the show (Showgun/Osaka.)
There are lots of places that you can go with great food to remind them they are in Okie-lahoma (Spudder/Avalon.)
Thanks Conan, I heard that somewhere too. BTW, I agree on someone else's Spudder suggestion.
Fayetteville doesnt have a dim sum place. So take them to Guang Zhou. Its not fancy, but then again compared to readl dim sum places on Hong Kong the place is a palace.
And dont let your friend tell you Fayetteville is better than Tulsa, the Fayetteville that was better than Tulsa died years ago when it became a commercialized strip of bull****.
The cool vibe of Fayetteville has slowly been replaced with weekend warriors on their shiny harleys and smug dumbasses going to some Hawgs game.
I will be on the road with our traveling circus this upcoming week. Heading to the New Orleans area via Shreveport to produce a three day event.
Actually my fav spot to stop and eat is a small side of the road Hamburger joint in Hugo, Oklahoma near the West side of town on 271 Business. There is also a nice Steak House there, but it seems to always be packed.
If we leave early enough, we always try to stop in Krebs for some marvelous Italian food for lunch. Lots of choices from the We produce an event there during the Italian Festival, and I always take the staff there for lunch.
Never understood why Tulsa did not have a culture food area with all the different nationalities that settled here.
Kreb's Italian Food:
Pete's Place is one of the more formal ones, they have large portions and keep you busy eating. They also serve their own brewed beer named Choc. The Isle of Capri is the most formal and serves some good old fashioned Italian. Roseanna's down the street is more home town atmosphere set in an old house. Then in McAlester there is Giacomos pronounced Jock A Mos. This is my favorite as they also serve steak there.
I have never found any food in Louisiana that I was happy with. Way too much spice for me.
Anyone have any suggestions for the trail we take twice a year there?
I will take some photos of restaurants along the trail and post them if I have time.
For a chain I like Logan's Road House. I used to like the Salt Grass Steak House, but last couple of times I ate there I was not happy with the quality of their steak.
Called their corporate and told them they could get much better steak at Resors or Perry's in Tulsa. Who ever is supplying them with meat is not being honest about the cuts. Salt Grass still has some great butterfly shrimp, closest to Penningtons I have tasted they claim to make their own Tarter and Coctail Sauce every day fresh. It is very close to Arch Pennington's if you ever had their Shrimp in a basket dinner. Came with a salad with French Dressing, a hot fresh dinner roll, fries and some huge Shrimp you could actually taste and chew on.
Not the dinky midget shrimp places try to pawn off on you today. More breading than shrimp. LOL
Tulsa used to have some great places to eat. Most are long gone.
Golden Drumstick at 11th and Yale Yummy and their "Treasure Chest" was a big hit. Remember the Honey on their hot fresh baked rolls....
Ikes Chili Parlor Downtown Tulsa Yummmmm
The original Coney Island Downtown - My dad always said the more grease you see on the outside of the brown paper bag the better.
That steak house out on South Lewis about 91st street. Way back in the day.
Partners on 11th Street
Chuck Wagon Hamburgers on 11th Street Giant Wheel Burger and Onion Rings
damn dude you must weigh 500 lbs as much as you eat out.
Nah, that is a around 20 years worth of memories going back to the Golden Drumstick. It later became the Middle Path more of a Veggie New Age type place way before its time.
I do have to eat out alot when we are on the road unless I know someone in the cities we are producing events in. I typically get home cooked food when we do our Holiday Shows. Those are some of my favorites. Last Thanksgiving I had a wonderful Turkey dinner with friends out of town.
Biggest problem is most folks want to take you to their favorite high priced restaurant in town when you arrive.
I am 6ft tall and weigh 210, I could lose a few pounds but last time I tried a non-fat diet I ended up in surgery for my Gall Bladder so no fad diets for me again. My surgeon told me he had made over $500,000 that year from removing organs from people that had been on fat free diets and such. He named his big boat at Grand Lake "Slim Fast" !
I am reminded of Great Home Cooked Meals. A few years ago we spent a weekend up in Northern Oklahoma with Leon Russell and his band during Thanksgiving week. We all enjoyed a fine meal prepared by Big Emily Smith and her friend and our old neighbor in Tulsa Linda.
It was a tradition for years that Leon and the band would stop in at Linda's when she lived in Southern Hills for the traditional Thanksgiving Feast. The Thanksgiving Feast must of been brought on in part by Arlo's Alice's Restaurant album, perhaps.
Linda prepares the most wonderful French Charlotte dessert, it literally melts in your mouth.
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Originally posted by NellieBly
. Flavor's is closing. He is opening a new restaurant by the river at Kings Landing..
Just to clarify...Flavors is
not closing. The Tulsa World incorrectly reported that.
I know that this isn't in Tulsa, but it's close enough... Back Street Bistro in Jenks, just across the river, about a half mile. And don't forget "In the Raw" on the top of Shadow Mountain on 61st. It has a nice view of the city, and overlooks downtown.
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Originally posted by inteller
Fayetteville doesnt have a dim sum place. So take them to Guang Zhou. Its not fancy, but then again compared to readl dim sum places on Hong Kong the place is a palace.
And dont let your friend tell you Fayetteville is better than Tulsa, the Fayetteville that was better than Tulsa died years ago when it became a commercialized strip of bull****.
The cool vibe of Fayetteville has slowly been replaced with weekend warriors on their shiny harleys and smug dumbasses going to some Hawgs game.
Fayetteville and Tulsa aren't too comparable, really. Fayetteville is a
much smaller city. However, the "cool vibe" in Fayetteville is just getting started actually. There are currently 3 urban loft mid-rise complexes under construction in the downtown Fayetteville area. Granted, The area near the mall in Fayetteville has become a typical suburban sprawl area, but that doesn't mean the urban flavor is gone by any means. If anything, Fayetteville should serve as a perfect example of why Tulsa needs to promote and enhance its urban identity. Fayetteville has most of the same suburban restaruants and stores Tulsa does. What Fay. doesn't have is Tulsa's arts scene and urban character. Fayetteville is a very charming little city, but Tulsa is a true urban city.
Can you tell I'm a Razorback that grew up in Tulsa?
BTW, I recommend Camerelli's on Cherry St.
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Originally posted by BKDotCom
Brasserie, Stonehorse, Polo Grill?
Cherry Street: Tucci's, Palace Cafe?
Mahogany...
Not of the quality and style I was hoping for.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I though Flavor's, the Warren Duck Club, and McGills were supposed to be in this range.
I wouldn't know.
Out of style. Atmosphere reminds me of what you would expect to find in a nursing home.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The Wildfork (Utica), The Summit Club (Downtown), Table Ten (Brookside), The Checker Board (Downtown-ish)...
Perhaps not the grand scale of the Oak Room or the Waldorf, but very fine places to eat with top notch food and nice atmosphere. CERTAINLY all of the above fulfill your criteria of sleek and contemporary with nice atmosphere, 4 star food, and the ability to drop $200 on a dinner for 2. Certainly any should be enough to impress a date.
Also, the room service at the Double Tree is nice - wink wink.
Wild Fork...Ho hum, crowded dining room, cluttery feel, nothing special.
Summit Club... too "private" and quiet, aka boring, plus I am too working class to pay the 2,000 plus a year dues lol.
Table Ten... small town wanna be, not even a decent try.
Chalkboard...you have to be kidding.
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Originally posted by AMP
Jamil's is still my all time favorite.
Best flavor, large portions, 4 or 5 course meals and lots of fun watching the drunks and mixed variety of people there. One night there were 5 OHP at one table, four drunks at another and one person fell flat face first on the floor making a loud ca-blam noise. It was classic, wish I had my video camera for that one.
Fancy Smancy linens and decorations don't fill you up. I travel over 65,000 miles to 12 states every year, and I have never found another restaurant/steak house where I get as much quality food to eat for $9.95 as I do at Jamil's, and the entertainment is free!
No comment, to all your posts, lol. I think your either from a completely different planet or we are talking about a completely different subject. [:P]
Ok, after listening to the posts, perhaps I should clarify what I was looking for. Great atmosphere, the kind where you walk in the door and you go, WOW. Some place distinct, with either cutting edge design or well crafted old world flavor, or a mixture of both. It should feel like you are walking into another world when you cross that threshold. World class Atmosphere and design.
Then I want great food with great presentation. You know the kind, where you look at your plate and can't decide whether its a work of art you should be taking photos of or eating lol. It should be just as delicious to the eyes as it is to the pallet.
Creativity, artistry, style, class, fun, beauty thats what I want.
I am not saying that we don't have some very good chefs and restaurants. But I do think we are missing some with that highest level of world class design. And I think that Tulsa could have a couple of those. It seems that many of our restaurants are in the same ballpark, competing with each other on the same level. Lots of different "pub type" ones, or even the same building, like the one the Ford Filling Station was in, that are reshuffled a bit and reincarnated into different versions with similar quality design. They are all competing at a similar level. I think its about time Tulsa got one or two that were definitely of a different class.
I am hoping that the restaurant in the addition to the Mc Birney Mansion will have that level of quality and atmosphere. I got the feeling from their presentation that they were indeed wanting to fill a niche that Tulsa is presently lacking. I also think that the rooftop restaurant that is proposed for the Mayo Hotel will be able to offer a stunning setting.
now, now...
to each his own...
remember, it is all a matter of perspective... hell, last i checked not everyone likes cherubs on ceilings...
the palace cafe is excellent and the brasserie holds its own... given the chance i'd take a local version of a commanders palace, kpauls, emerils, galatoires, slanted door, town hall, jardiniere, stella, grill 23, nobu, bluezoo (i know)...
i've been to plenty of towns that dont have a WOW spot... so, i gree with the basic premise of your point but there are some very good places here locally...
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Ok, after listening to the posts, perhaps I should clarify what I was looking for. Great atmosphere, the kind where you walk in the door and you go, WOW. Some place distinct, with either cutting edge design or well crafted old world flavor, or a mixture of both. It should feel like you are walking into another world when you cross that threshold. World class Atmosphere.
Then I want great food with great presentation. You know the kind, where you look at your plate and can't decide whether its a work of art you should be taking photos of or eating lol. It should be just as delicious to the eyes as it is to the pallet.
Creativity, artistry, style, class, fun, beauty thats what I want.
I dunno- I usually go to a restaurant for the food. If you wants glitz go to Vegas.
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Originally posted by brunoflipper
now, now...
to each his own...
remember, it is all a matter of perspective... hell, last i checked not everyone likes cherubs on ceilings...
the palace cafe is excellent and the brasserie holds its own... given the chance i'd take a local version of a commanders palace, kpauls, emerils, galatoires, slanted door, town hall, jardiniere, stella, grill 23, nobu, bluezoo (i know)...
i've been to plenty of towns that dont have a WOW spot... so, i gree with the basic premise of your point but there are some very good places here locally...
I like ultra contemporary as well as the over the top classical lol. But basically really really well done, flawless, of any style will do. And, I have to admit I have never eaten at either the Palace Cafe or the Brasserie. So I will have to check those out.
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Ok, after listening to the posts, perhaps I should clarify what I was looking for. Great atmosphere, the kind where you walk in the door and you go, WOW. Some place distinct, with either cutting edge design or well crafted old world flavor, or a mixture of both. It should feel like you are walking into another world when you cross that threshold. World class Atmosphere.
Then I want great food with great presentation. You know the kind, where you look at your plate and can't decide whether its a work of art you should be taking photos of or eating lol. It should be just as delicious to the eyes as it is to the pallet.
Creativity, artistry, style, class, fun, beauty thats what I want.
I dunno- I usually go to a restaurant for the food. If you wants glitz go to Vegas.
Doesn't have to be glitz. Yes I of course want good food and service, and we can get that here. Would just like to also have that along with some impressive atmosphere, in one or two places around town. Would love to see a knockout contemporary place and a stunning old world one as well. Would also be nice to have just that cozy sidewalk cafe or riverview type place as well with a good view. Went to a Japanese place along Brookside. The food was good, sat outside, but the view was of Charlestons, some shabby store fronts, across the street and a Sonic. Not quite what I would call an impressive "or romantic" view. I would like one or two places where, everything is just right.
Artist, it amazes me that out of all the ones mentioned, none meet muster with you.
If atmosphere is more of a concern, don't bother going to the new restaurant on the international space station-
great food, no atmosphere.[;)]
Artist, you strike me as the type that would wait in line in New York at one of the restaurants where the Maitre D' picks & chooses who gets a table based upon their appearance. We don't have many restaurants like that in Tulsa. Thank goodness. Personally, I believe that restaurants should be about the quality of food, not the latest snooty trend.
I would love to have a Commander's Palace here in Tulsa. But that's not very likely is it? I mean, that's the best restaurant in the country. And by the way that is not based upon the decor so much as the service and the food.
I think Casa Bonita has everything you are looking for[}:)]
If only they had indoor seating at my neighborhood Quik-Trip...
There was a place years ago on south Lewis called the 'Fountains'. is that still there? If I recall, that place was pretty nice. There was also an elegant seafood restaurant called the Razor Clam, and another cool restaurant called the Louisianne. I'm sure these are all gone now.
Anyway, my current favorites when I am in Tulsa are the Palace Cafe, and Tucci's- both on Cherry street. IMO they both have great atmosphere.
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
There was a place years ago on south Lewis called the 'Fountains'. is that still there? If I recall, that place was pretty nice. There was also an elegant seafood restaurant called the Razor Clam, and another cool restaurant called the Louisianne. I'm sure these are all gone now.
Anyway, my current favorites when I am in Tulsa are the Palace Cafe, and Tucci's- both on Cherry street. IMO they both have great atmosphere.
The fountatins got shutdown because of health code violations... yummy!
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
If only they had indoor seating at my neighborhood Quik-Trip...
I know everytime I see the food at Quicktrip, I say "Wow." Probably a different sort of reaction, though.
Not sure if you have ever been to a small town - but I have never seen anything like Table 10 in a small town. Maybe something like the Pie Hole, but certainly not table ten. Are you thinking of the same place - all white, waterfall wall, expensive wines.
Wild Fork is too public
Summit is to private
and something nondescript is wrong with the Chalkboard. You have to be more specific on this I guess because every time I've been there it is a fine place to dine. Awesome service, nice atmosphere, world class food.
Ok, lets try again:
Tulsa Country Club - not too private, not public. All dark hardwoods, great food, great services, wonderful view of downtown.
Any number of "trendy" Sushi places around town. The one at 51st and whatever has a nice view of downtown even. They are trendy, have decent food, and are over only slightly over priced.
Staying with the fish theme: Atlantic Sea Grill. Best es cargo I've ever had. Nice atmosphere, trendy looking, good service, pretty good food.
If you want something with atmosphere and good Steak try Spudders - certainly not yuppy but damn good steaks and a neat place.
Likewise, Basil Spice Thai Kitchen is one of the best Thai food places in the United States. Not fancy, but if FOOD QUALITY is what you are after you will have trouble beating it outside of LA or NYC.
Or for your view, you could take her to the restaurant in Gilcrease overlooking the Osage Hills. Fine dining, great atmosphere, wonderful view, damn quite.
If your into the whole Museum thing, you can eat at Philbrook too... though I never have so I cannot comment on their food. But the view, wow. Those gardens are perfect.
However... what you want is Flemmings, or PF Changs, or Macaroni grill. Something big and flashy with decent food. You just want it with a different name on it so your date thinks you "found it."
Honestly, the only thing Tulsa lacks is a true 5-star restaurant. Many of the ones I have listed are 4 stars. Frankly, if you have been to ALL of the suggestions given then you have to know how fine these places are. If your date is not going to be satisfied with any of them then take her to Golden Corral and tell her to deal with it.
I'd highly recommend The Bistro at Seville.
Great restaurant without being too expensive.
But it doesn't face a waterfall with unicorns making love to Care Bears so you wouldn't like it Artist.
The Bistro at Seville (//%22http://tulsacelebrations.com/Bistro/tulsa_bistro.htm%22)
I have never gone to a restaurant that made me go "Wow" or gawk in astonishment when I entered. The only one I have been to that would even come close was Windows on the World at the top of the destroyed WTC in NYC. That was some view. I have gone "wow" many times in restaurants when viewing prices however.
I have to say that the first time I entered a Rainforest Cafe I said Wow. But mostly that was because I realized that the food was going to be a incredible rip-off, if they spent that kind of money on the decor. My kids loved it, though.
Good suggestions on the museums--I've eaten at Philbrook, and recommend it, at least for the weekend brunch. As for great views, aren't there some top-of-the-building restaurants downtown? Summitt club? Some along the river would be nice, provided they were on the west bank looking across at downtown. Not so much looking across at the refineries.
How bout,,,
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4522/restaurant05sr6.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3260/restaurant03mo2.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1232/restaurant02li1.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9757/restaurant04tv8.jpg)
Super WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5157/restaurant06rq9.jpg)
Pee in your pants WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8716/restaurant07an9.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4051/restaurant08ss2.jpg)
Something like this would be nice attached to the Garden Center mansion next to the rosegardens. (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1071/restaurantparisck7.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2901/restaurantrtwp1.jpg)
Surely I am not asking for too much. [8D]
You might have to make that happen youself.
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(http://www.whatsjamesdoing.com/Blog/taiwan%20toilet.jpg)
(http://images2.sina.com/english/taiwan_hk/p/1/2005/0603/U8P6T1D33472F8DT20050603103908.jpg)
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Originally posted by TheArtist
How bout,,,
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4522/restaurant05sr6.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3260/restaurant03mo2.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1232/restaurant02li1.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9757/restaurant04tv8.jpg)
Super WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5157/restaurant06rq9.jpg)
Pee in your pants WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8716/restaurant07an9.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4051/restaurant08ss2.jpg)
Something like this would be nice attached to the Garden Center mansion next to the rosegardens. (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1071/restaurantparisck7.jpg)
WOW(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2901/restaurantrtwp1.jpg)
Surely I am not asking for too much. [8D]
How bout you borrow the money and give it a shot.....
lol, you'll have to go to Vegas, New York, LA, Toyko, Hong Kong of Versailles for the examples you gave. You would also have to spend upwards of $250 for a meal. And I would contend that I could make several of Tulsa's eateries look just as spectacular in a photo as some of those (clearly no the 100 story eatery).
In any event, if you would like to risk the 3 or $4,000,000.00 it would cost to build any one of those (on the low side) I would be happy to frequent it once every couple of years or so. Keep in mind 80% of restaurants fail. Good luck getting that loan.
So as much as I would like a truly world class restaurant in Tulsa, one on the magnitude you imagine simply isnt going to happen in Tulsa, or OKC, Kansas City, Des Moines, Omaha... for that matter.
Your "Super WOW", "Pee in your pants WOW", and first photo are all pictures of the same place. And it's in Bangkok.
Sirocco Restaurant (//%22http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/buildings/state/state.shtml%22)
Tulsa is not Bangkok.
Tulsa is not a "Jet Set" mega metropolitan area.
Who are you kidding?
I'm surprised Tulsa supports the number of "uppity" restaurants that we have.
Come on, Bangkok only has 6 or 7 MILLION more people than Tulsa.
oh give me an eff'n break. Those pictures are ridiculous. Do you want to go to an art exhibit, or do you want to eat some food. I can GUARANTEE I have had better restaurant experiences in more dumpier places than that. Those are the places where everything comes out served with a side of SMUG. I hope Tulsa NEVER gets places like that.
We enjoyed Table 10 and it's also a departure from what most Tulsa restaurants have done. I applaud their nerve to try something that "out there" in Tulsa. Tulsa has plenty of good "home cooked" meal type places but that's NOT why I go to a restaurant...I want a fun experience and something different. If all I wanted was good, cheap food I'd cook it myself...at home.
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
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Originally posted by inteller
Fayetteville doesnt have a dim sum place. So take them to Guang Zhou. Its not fancy, but then again compared to readl dim sum places on Hong Kong the place is a palace.
And dont let your friend tell you Fayetteville is better than Tulsa, the Fayetteville that was better than Tulsa died years ago when it became a commercialized strip of bull****.
The cool vibe of Fayetteville has slowly been replaced with weekend warriors on their shiny harleys and smug dumbasses going to some Hawgs game.
Fayetteville and Tulsa aren't too comparable, really. Fayetteville is a much smaller city. However, the "cool vibe" in Fayetteville is just getting started actually. There are currently 3 urban loft mid-rise complexes under construction in the downtown Fayetteville area. Granted, The area near the mall in Fayetteville has become a typical suburban sprawl area, but that doesn't mean the urban flavor is gone by any means. If anything, Fayetteville should serve as a perfect example of why Tulsa needs to promote and enhance its urban identity. Fayetteville has most of the same suburban restaruants and stores Tulsa does. What Fay. doesn't have is Tulsa's arts scene and urban character. Fayetteville is a very charming little city, but Tulsa is a true urban city.
Can you tell I'm a Razorback that grew up in Tulsa?
dude, if you think urban loft's lend themselves to Fayetteville's cool vibe then you obviously never lived in Fayetteville before 1994. Its that kind of crap that has destroyed Fayetteville's cool vibe. Dickson St used to be a down and out place where cool people hung out. Now that they have "cleaned" it up, its just a bunch of tourist dreck that you can get anywhere.
Oh, and I'd take Fayetteville's art scene over Tulsa's any day. There is plenty of "old art" in Tulsa, but there are very few new artists here making a splash.
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Originally posted by inteller
dude, if you think urban loft's lend themselves to Fayetteville's cool vibe then you obviously never lived in Fayetteville before 1994. Its that kind of crap that has destroyed Fayetteville's cool vibe. Dickson St used to be a down and out place where cool people hung out. Now that they have "cleaned" it up, its just a bunch of tourist dreck that you can get anywhere.
Oh, and I'd take Fayetteville's art scene over Tulsa's any day. There is plenty of "old art" in Tulsa, but there are very few new artists here making a splash.
What do you mean by "down and out?"
Fayetteville art scene better than Tulsa's? They may have the Walton Arts Center and a few starving artists that live under the railroad tracks' bridges, but I don't see places like Philbrook or the Spotlight Theatre there. Tulsa has some very nice art galleries on Cherry St. Tulsa is a much larger city and the arts scene is not as noticable because of its vast suburban sprawl-type landscape.
I understand what you're saying about tourist dreck, but Fayetteville's loft projects allow more people to live on or near Dickson St. and the town square. Fayetteville does indeed have some boring run-of-the-mill bars on Dickson, but there are a lot of unique places as well. Try Common Grounds coffee shop- they also serve drinks. Willy D's piano bar is a fun place- on Thursday night they allow you to bring any size mug in you want and they'll fill it for $1. The regular pianist is actually a pretty talented guy. You might enjoy Bangkok for Thai food or Pesto Cafe for Italian. There are some very nice botiques on/near Dickson St. as well.
All in all, Fayetteville is a quaint, trendy little town that is great for a weekend getaway.
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
QuoteOriginally posted by inteller
. Try Common Grounds coffee shop-
i was going to Common Grounds before it was common grounds. CG only retains a few vestiges of cool Fayetteville. DT fayetteville has been invaded by high dollar Tysonites and walmartians.
But I'll take fayettevilles starving art scene over a stuffy exhibit at philbrook any day of the week. their spring fest makes may fest here look weak.
Bangkok is crap thai. and there hasnt been good Italian in Fayetteville since Il Patio (precursor to Bordinos -which is now dreck)
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
QuoteOriginally posted by inteller
. Try Common Grounds coffee shop-
i was going to Common Grounds before it was common grounds. CG only retains a few vestiges of cool Fayetteville. DT fayetteville has been invaded by high dollar Tysonites and walmartians.
But I'll take fayettevilles starving art scene over a stuffy exhibit at philbrook any day of the week. their spring fest makes may fest here look weak.
Bangkok is crap thai. and there hasnt been good Italian in Fayetteville since Il Patio (precursor to Bordinos -which is now dreck)
Wow- now who's sounding smug? Your 'cooler than thou' attitude is tired.
You have already lost all restaurant credibility anyway with your glowing endorsements of Starbucks and Johnny Carino's.
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
QuoteOriginally posted by inteller
. Try Common Grounds coffee shop-
i was going to Common Grounds before it was common grounds. CG only retains a few vestiges of cool Fayetteville. DT fayetteville has been invaded by high dollar Tysonites and walmartians.
But I'll take fayettevilles starving art scene over a stuffy exhibit at philbrook any day of the week. their spring fest makes may fest here look weak.
Bangkok is crap thai. and there hasnt been good Italian in Fayetteville since Il Patio (precursor to Bordinos -which is now dreck)
Wow- now who's sounding smug? Your 'cooler than thou' attitude is tired.
You have already lost all restaurant credibility anyway with your glowing endorsements of Starbucks and Johnny Carino's.
if you even had the slightest clue about the places I was talking about you could begin to realize how wrong you are.
you lost credibility by simply existing. you are like a turd that won't flush, so welcome to my ignor(ant)e list, its been a long time coming.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
QuoteOriginally posted by inteller
. Try Common Grounds coffee shop-
i was going to Common Grounds before it was common grounds. CG only retains a few vestiges of cool Fayetteville. DT fayetteville has been invaded by high dollar Tysonites and walmartians.
But I'll take fayettevilles starving art scene over a stuffy exhibit at philbrook any day of the week. their spring fest makes may fest here look weak.
Bangkok is crap thai. and there hasnt been good Italian in Fayetteville since Il Patio (precursor to Bordinos -which is now dreck)
Wow- now who's sounding smug? Your 'cooler than thou' attitude is tired.
You have already lost all restaurant credibility anyway with your glowing endorsements of Starbucks and Johnny Carino's.
if you even had the slightest clue about the places I was talking about you could begin to realize how wrong you are.
you lost credibility by simply existing. you are like a turd that won't flush, so welcome to my ignor(ant)e list, its been a long time coming.
Thank God. Now I can go on with my life.
But back ON TOPIC (as if I can talk about getting off topic),
I wonder where he ended up taking her?
HE mentioned that he liked Japanese food so we ate at Fuji after going to Philbrook. This Saturday I am thinking of taking him to see Cirque-works The Birdhouse Factory, at the Brady, after dinner at Lolas. If I get lucky enough for a third date we may try Table 10. [:)]
http://www.birdhousefactoryshow.com/
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Originally posted by TheArtist
HE mentioned that he liked Japanese food so we at at Fuji after going to Philbrook. This Saturday I am thinking of taking him to see Cirque-works The Birdhouse Factory, at the Brady, after dinner at Lolas. If I get lucky enough for a third date we may try Table 10. [:)]
http://www.birdhousefactoryshow.com/
yes thanks, we all wanted to know that. the previous poster's comment about "But it doesn't face a waterfall with unicorns making love to Care Bears" applies here.
they like Japanese so you took them to Fuji. might as well have taken them to mcdonalds. At least do some GOOD Japanese...like Memories of Japan. you dont have to the the person it isnt in Tulsa.
Fuji wasn't that bad actually. I couldn't decide where to go, then saw the sign saying it was Japanese, so thought, hey why not try a restaurant I hadn't been to before. And no, I can't afford to pop over to Toronto to that restaurant lol. As for unicorns and care bares, I have noooooo idea what you are talking about. However, we did have a great view of a Sonic, which definitely heads in that direction of class.
Best Food I had all weekend in Louisiana came from this Boiled Sea Food joint along the highway in a small town called Plaquemine, LA it is on the West side of the Mississippi before the Bridge to Baton Rogue.
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/ampracing10/NPR%202007/?action=view¤t=PICT1051.jpg
CRAWFISH X-PRESS #1 Was the overall winner for the best food of the four day road trip.
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/ampracing10/NPR%202007/?action=view¤t=PICT1052.jpg
Heat to boild the Sea Food came from the Propane Tank out back.
Tried the Bistros on a small street in downtown Donaldsonville area near the racetrack. They were okay, but still none of them had the Giant Fan Tail Shrimp like Penningtons had back in the 1950's on Brookside in Tulsa.
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/ampracing10/NPR%202007/?action=view¤t=PICT0975.jpg
Actually Pop Eyes Butterfly Fried Shrimp for $4.99 was pretty darn good there. Needed a Fresh Real Lemon and better Tarter and Cocktail sauce. But the Shrimp was the exact same as the $10.99 at the Cypress Cafe on Railroad Street.
Must come from the same supplier there.
I ate gulf shrimp at a little shack south of Corpus Christi that sounds similar. The ambience was seaweed and driftwood but the shrimp was fantastic.
Some of the shrimp were the size of children, or a small woman.
Best fried shrimp I've had in Tulsa (and it's near the top of my list for anywhere) is Bros. Houligans on 15th St. Huge portion and the breading is more like a chicken fried steak breading.
I recall that the Green Onion on 51st Street also has some pretty good Fried Shrimp.
Have not tried Bros Hulligan's version but I have tried their Chicken Fried Steak with Green Beans and a few other items there.
Will have to take your advice and go try it out today for lunch if I can find a parking space within walking distance. LOL
Tried the old haunt St Michales Alley a while back, it was nothing to how I remembered it as a teenager when the tall black chef made those giant burgers that came with a large bowl of potato chips. Strawberry Orange Sling was my fav drink there. When I went back the atmosphere was different, no Kingston Trio playing on the Juke Box and no Potato Chips.
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Originally posted by inteller
there hasnt been good Italian in Fayetteville since Il Patio (precursor to Bordinos -which is now dreck)
Have you ever been to Pesto Cafe? It's less than a mile north of Dickson St. on College Ave. I've never been to Bordino's, but most people find it to be very under-whelming as you say. Places like Bordino's are usually frequented by Gen. X-ers that live in Bentonville and Rogers. The college and just-out-of-college Fayetteville crowd would choose Pesto Cafe every time.
But back to Tulsa...
Is Monte's Chop House still in business?
What about Fountains? I haven't been there in over ten years. Is it still a nice place?
Did Atlantic Sea Grill go out of business?
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
But back to Tulsa...
Is Monte's Chop House still in business?
What about Fountains? I haven't been there in over ten years. Is it still a nice place?
Did Atlantic Sea Grill go out of business?
Fountains was closed down by the Health Department over a year ago. It was well past its prime. Monte's recently went out of business and closed I believe. The Atlantic Sea Grill closed earlier this year because of fire damage. I believe they intend to repair and reopen sometime, just when I don't know.
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...Tried the old haunt St Michael's Alley a while back, it was nothing to how I remembered it as a teenager when the tall black chef made those giant burgers that came with a large bowl of potato chips. Strawberry Orange Sling was my fav drink there. When I went back the atmosphere was different, no Kingston Trio playing on the Juke Box and no Potato Chips.
I tried St. Michael's Alley for the first time a few months ago and absolutely loved it. It reminded me of a place in Frankfurt, Germany that I went to called Zum Gemalten Haus. The food was excellent, the staff was friendly and there was live music.
I would love to see more restaurants in Tulsa with a nice atmosphere and charm like that (or are they already there and I just don't know them yet?).
Thats one of my favorite things to do, is eat at a place that has live music. It just seems hard to know when and where music will be played. I went to Lolas this saturday as planned, wished the music would have started earlier in the evening during dinner, and not so late. BTW the Cirque show was great, very enjoyable, some really amazing stuff. But the Bradey was barely 1/5 full. Several people around me commented on how bad the crowd was. I felt sorry for the performers who were doing all this incredible stuff and hard work to a small pattering of applause. Did not put Tulsa in the best light. However,t hey got the best and loudest standing ovation that the little crowd could muster in the end, I think the audience realized that this troop deserved a larger crowd. People complain about not having anything to do or go see. If you want shows and acts to come to this town ya have to support the ones that do.
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Originally posted by inteller
there hasnt been good Italian in Fayetteville since Il Patio (precursor to Bordinos -which is now dreck)
Have you ever been to Pesto Cafe? It's less than a mile north of Dickson St. on College Ave. I've never been to Bordino's, but most people find it to be very under-whelming as you say. Places like Bordino's are usually frequented by Gen. X-ers that live in Bentonville and Rogers. The college and just-out-of-college Fayetteville crowd would choose Pesto Cafe every time.
as a late gen x early geny I don't think of food as a generational thing, I think of food as either tasty or not. Il Patio, for its short time of existence, was the best Italian in the region. It put a lot of places to shame. The best Italian over there now is all tthe way in Tontitown. Pesto Cafe is for people that cant afford good Italian.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Best fried shrimp I've had in Tulsa (and it's near the top of my list for anywhere) is Bros. Houligans on 15th St. Huge portion and the breading is more like a chicken fried steak breading.
Bros. Houligans? Is that the place between the BA Expwy and Lewis? I remember when that place was a bar called KL Snoozers. Honestly haven't been there since the early 90's, but also haven't been back to Tulsa since late '04.
Jamils was and always will be my favorite for steaks, never left with out a doggie bag. Too bad about The Fountains, it was really good in it's time.
There was another steak house on the south side of I44 near the turnpike gate, used to be a bad guy after hours place in the 50's and 60's. Can't remember the name of it though.
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Originally posted by dbacks fan
There was another steak house on the south side of I44 near the turnpike gate, used to be a bad guy after hours place in the 50's and 60's. Can't remember the name of it though.
Maybe Avalon? If so, it's there.
The old Avalon is no longer....It's moved and rebuilt.....Not to far from the old location....
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Best fried shrimp I've had in Tulsa (and it's near the top of my list for anywhere) is Bros. Houligans on 15th St. Huge portion and the breading is more like a chicken fried steak breading.
Bros. Houligans? Is that the place between the BA Expwy and Lewis? I remember when that place was a bar called KL Snoozers. Honestly haven't been there since the early 90's, but also haven't been back to Tulsa since late '04.
Jamils was and always will be my favorite for steaks, never left with out a doggie bag. Too bad about The Fountains, it was really good in it's time.
There was another steak house on the south side of I44 near the turnpike gate, used to be a bad guy after hours place in the 50's and 60's. Can't remember the name of it though.
Houligans is at 61st & mingo now (or additionally)
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Originally posted by Breadburner
The old Avalon is no longer....It's moved and rebuilt.....Not to far from the old location....
Thanks! I remeber a friend of mine from high school, his father went there one night to arrest a guy who car bombed a judge in Tulsa say that he walked up to the door of the Avalon with three other TPD, a couple of TCSO and a couple of OHP and said that he felt out gunned by the guys inside.
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Originally posted by Breadburner
The old Avalon is no longer....It's moved and rebuilt.....Not to far from the old location....
Thanks! I remeber a friend of mine from high school, his father went there one night to arrest a guy who car bombed a judge in Tulsa say that he walked up to the door of the Avalon with three other TPD, a couple of TCSO and a couple of OHP and said that he felt out gunned by the guys inside.
Yep, that's the place. The new Avalon is Avalon in name only, from the comments I have heard. It lost 99% of its charm and ambience when they recently moved. And those I know that have been to the new location (I have not) tell me the food is not the same or as good. Perception and presentation apparently play a major role.