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Title: Camelot Demo Post by: MichaelC on June 18, 2007, 09:22:28 am From KOTV (http://"http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=129697")
quote: Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Conan71 on June 18, 2007, 09:31:12 am Why tear it down? It's in better condition than Miss Belvedere. [}:)]
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: sauerkraut on June 18, 2007, 12:54:03 pm quote:I bet that building would not be much of anything if it sat in water for 50 years like Miss. Belvedere did. That building was on dry land and is much younger than Miss. Belvedere and look how it crumbled.... If Miss. Belvedere sat parked on that lot for as long as that building stood I'd bet she'd be in far better shape that that building..[:)] Title: Camelot Demo Post by: RecycleMichael on June 18, 2007, 01:04:47 pm Quik-Trip buys the land...
QT confirms purchase of Camelot property; demolition begins Posted By: Russell Mills QuikTrip Corp. has signed a contract to purchase the site of Tulsa's Camelot Hotel, Channel 2 confirmed Monday. Mike Thornbrugh told reporter Deana Goll that QT signed an agreement in March, and that the company will likely finalize the deal this week. Meanwhile, work crews began the first phase of demolition on Tulsa's historic but dilapidated Camelot Hotel Monday. At one point, the Camelot was considered one of Tulsa's most luxurious hotels, but years of neglect left it an empty husk, and a haven for squatters and criminals. Built in 1965, it featured turrets, a moat, and a swimming pool shaped like a giant spearpoint. President Nixon once stayed there, as well as Elvis Presley and other celebrities. It stood eight stories tall, and had more than 300 rooms. But the Camelot fell on hard times, and the city condemned the structure years ago because of electrical and sewer problems. Later, it was learned that the structure had a major asbestos problem. This week, crews begin removing the asbestos so the real demolition work can begin. The building's destruction will not involve explosives since the building sits in a busy residential and commercial area. Tulsa police hope that crime rates will go down in the area once the Camelot is gone for good. QuikTrip has not said exactly what its plans for the property entail. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Conan71 on June 18, 2007, 01:11:46 pm quote: Well, duh...(http://tulsatvmemories.com/imag2001/quiktrip.jpg) I was built in 1965 as well. I hope I'm not full of asbestos. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: dbacks fan on June 18, 2007, 01:30:38 pm quote: Isn't that Quik Trip #1 that was at 53rd & Peoria? Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Wrinkle on June 18, 2007, 01:31:55 pm The asbestos removal process should be fun to watch. Spacesuited guys with trash bags.
And, it's supposed to go to a special landfill for such materials, not the general one. That's what makes demolition expensive. Didn't know Ark Wrecking did that kind of work. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: sgrizzle on June 18, 2007, 01:52:12 pm I would like to buy parts off of it, like the sign or something.
Gee, I wonder what QT would build.... Maybe a QT?!? Title: Camelot Demo Post by: YoungTulsan on June 18, 2007, 02:55:58 pm quote: Is there where the first QT was? Any pics of it? Is the building still there as something else or was it torn down? I live in the area and there is a building that looks like an old QT (its a cash advance place now I think) but didn't think it could have been since there is a QT at 45th and peoria. I was always told the 45th one was the first one. Guess I was told wrong? So what on earth would QT need such a huge piece of land for? World's largest QT/Convienience store? Probably just want to do a Truckstop style one. If thats the case, turning the intersection into a truck stop isn't my best idea of improvements. They have plenty on the outskirts of town on both sides. :( Title: Camelot Demo Post by: RecycleMichael on June 18, 2007, 03:04:45 pm It is a great location for a visitor center.
We should petition the state commerce department to build a beautiful welcome center to Tulsa that combines with a flagship Quik-Trip. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: YoungTulsan on June 18, 2007, 03:15:18 pm quote: But WILL it be a visitor center? Look at the size of the QT lots that do Diesel, like the one at I-44 and 49th W. Ave. - Theres some huge ones out east too. Something makes me afraid that all they want is one like that at I-44 and Peoria. So we'd just get a huge well lit parking lot for big rigs. I like the store at 45th. Pretty busy, could use a little extra space, but it seems to run just fine. I go there probably twice a day. I don't have a problem with Quik Trips. but if thats all they are doing with the Camelot land, it is a big loss for the area. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: cannon_fodder on June 18, 2007, 03:25:03 pm With I-44 widening I wouldn't be surprised if it was a visitors center/diesel shop.
I just excited to FINALLY be getting a QT in town. I've driven all over and just can not fine one anywhere. Though, the city should have had a contract clause that anything on the site needs to be castle themed. [:P] Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Conan71 on June 18, 2007, 03:34:29 pm Can't say "Gospel certain" that's QT 1 I posted, but judging by the cars, that's my guess. Looks like they were selling Xmas trees out of there in that photo.
FAIK, it was at 53rd & Peoria in a strip center on the west side of the road. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: YoungTulsan on June 18, 2007, 03:43:27 pm quote: About how many years ago did that area degenerate into Cash advance stores, rent to own, and prepaid wireless? (Ok, Im guessing it did before cell-phones became a way to fleece the poor) Im assuming the area used to be somewhat nice? Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Runslikeadeere on June 18, 2007, 08:01:00 pm Okay, Okay. I can't stand it any more. A little history lesson first. QT #1, Yes. Christmas, 1958. In the North end of the little strip center, which is still there, at 51st & Peoria. Relocated in 1980 to the 53rd St. site. Later closed and became a donut shop, later a check cashers. No, the Camelot will not be a truck stop. A standard store maybe with car wash, maybe not. Excess will be sold. ODOT has not approached with any Visitor's Center concept and probably won't with their new one at 165th & I-44 on the East side. Design will be QT's since they're paying for it. Castle motiff was obsolete about ten minutes after it opened. Not a chance! Interest so far in the excess from bank, restaurant, and a hotel (how ironic is that?)
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Who Cares on June 18, 2007, 09:40:52 pm I doubt they would put a truckstop there, since they have them on i-44 in east and west tulsa.
Why do we need another vistitor's center, maybe we could use that money to fix the highway. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Townsend on June 19, 2007, 08:08:51 am To Runslikeadeere,
Chester? Is that you? Title: Camelot Demo Post by: cannon_fodder on June 19, 2007, 08:09:45 am http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070619_1_A1_ERWor01160
KRMG interviewed the same person and mirrored this article. Basically, what John Deere Green said. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: T-Town Now on June 19, 2007, 08:33:10 am Oh, goodie. Just what Tulsa needs! ANOTHER QuikTrip! I guess another one somewhere will close and get boarded up. That always adds so much to the neighborhood, especially since we still have quite a few old Git-N-Gos still sitting empty and rotting.
Why did I hope that something attractive and unique might go in that spot? Yep, this is the best we could possibly hope for I guess. [V] Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Wrinkle on June 19, 2007, 09:20:02 am QT is a first class operation. They do it right. Say what you will, whatever they do there will be a major improvement for that area, which has been in decline since the 70's, when it was mostly new.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Conan71 on June 19, 2007, 09:38:37 am Old Quik Trips actually wind up being viable space for other locally-owned businesses.
I'd take a temprarily empty QT at 45th & Peoria over the blight which is the Camelot any day. Based on other re-development at 45th, I'd say (if that store will actually close) it won't sit empty for very long. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: citizen72 on June 19, 2007, 10:59:58 am quote: My firm has had personal involvement with QT in building design development and I can affirm that they are indeed a first class organization. Even though they are building these stores for themselves there is no laxness in their standards which are very very high. They are indeed a quality corporation. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: MichaelC on June 19, 2007, 03:03:03 pm More at Tulsa World (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070619_1_A1_ERWor01160")
quote: (http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2007/070619_A1_ERWor01160_a1_main.jpg) Title: Camelot Demo Post by: T-Town Now on June 19, 2007, 04:11:49 pm quote: I can think of several "viable" spaces that have been sitting vacant for years now. They are a blight, with weeds growing up in the cracks of the pavement. I saw a news report that stated since the opening of the 300th store in Sand Springs, Okla. in 1992, 260 new stores have opened and 160 have closed. Perhaps the story is incorrect, but that sure seems like a lot of stores to be closing. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Townsend on June 19, 2007, 04:17:12 pm The 15th and Main location kills me. It's been a viable location for many years.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: BKDotCom on June 19, 2007, 05:28:21 pm quote:They're usually across the street from a newer and bigger QT. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: sgrizzle on June 19, 2007, 06:52:53 pm quote: Isn't that a bill and ruths? Title: Camelot Demo Post by: brunoflipper on June 19, 2007, 10:13:43 pm quote:way too close to the one on denver... Title: Camelot Demo Post by: BKDotCom on June 20, 2007, 06:16:57 am quote:We're talking "viable as something other than a QT." Many non-QT things can be near a QT. [:D] Title: Camelot Demo Post by: bigdtottown on June 20, 2007, 08:09:57 am Tulsa is lucky to have QuikTrips, they are by far the nicest convenience stores around. We only have one that I know of even sort of close to where I live and I make a point to drive there and buy gas. Also, for the location, it makes perfect sense. It's not like someone could put a nice sidewalk cafe there and expect to do record business.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: MichaelC on June 20, 2007, 08:44:27 am More at Tulsa World (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070620_1_A9_hAnag10705")
quote: Title: Camelot Demo Post by: sgrizzle on June 20, 2007, 08:57:06 am That sounds like a better deal and CoT is out almost nothing...
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Renaissance on June 20, 2007, 09:03:30 am Agreed. This is how local government should work -- as a facilitator for development, not necessarily as a dictator. Now let's hope that the private side of things can find the best use for the land - i.e., a new hotel in addition to the convenience store and bank.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Townsend on June 20, 2007, 01:31:11 pm quote: Oral's old Fortress of Solitude building is killing the area around there Title: Camelot Demo Post by: breitee on June 20, 2007, 01:56:42 pm Oral's old building should be next on the demolition list. What an eyesore!
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Conan71 on June 20, 2007, 02:04:47 pm There's a new Ike's Chili (not the faux Ike's) in an old QT at 51st & Union. Ate lunch there today.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: breitee on June 20, 2007, 03:44:04 pm The faux Ike's is also in an old QT at 1st and Utica.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: NellieBly on June 21, 2007, 11:47:45 am Bihn Le on 31st is an old QT
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: RecycleMichael on June 21, 2007, 01:18:06 pm I think they should build a Quik-Trip where the current city hall is.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: bluelake on June 21, 2007, 02:35:42 pm quote: truer words have never been spoken. Title: Camelot Demo Post by: sgrizzle on June 21, 2007, 02:51:24 pm That whole section of Boulder should be row houses.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: YoungTulsan on June 21, 2007, 03:18:35 pm Are you guys talking about that crumbling white monstrosity at 17th and Boulder?
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: breitee on June 21, 2007, 03:35:48 pm Yes, Oral built that mess in his typical flamboyant style years ago. It was called the Diamond Tower. Southwestern Bell used it in the 70s and early 80s for offices and a customer service / bill payment center. After they left it was boarded up and left to rot.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: YoungTulsan on June 21, 2007, 03:59:08 pm Ah yes, Ive seen that building and thought the same (Need to be demo'd) - Did not know the history of it. If they got rid of that, and ran a couple of the run down apt buildings out of the area, the whole place could probably thrive.
Title: Camelot Demo Post by: Townsend on June 21, 2007, 04:12:01 pm Abundant Life building
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