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Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: perspicuity85 on July 10, 2007, 01:51:48 am From Tulsa World, 7/9/07 (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070709_1__OKLAH21583")
If this turns out to be a major breakthrough, it could add a lot of value to an OU medical degree. Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: brunoflipper on July 10, 2007, 06:20:25 am quote: huh? because they aren't worth much now??? and doctors who went there could start charging more because of this discovery? i don't get... Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: sgrizzle on July 10, 2007, 06:22:28 am Sounds like it is still a long ways off but this new method of attacking HIV might be the way to go. Maybe they can later adapt it to fight the cold and flu viruses too.
Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: cannon_fodder on July 10, 2007, 07:31:05 am Well, I hope this comes through. Scientific research is one area where I approve of governmental funding. Even if there is not money in it, there might be social value to the technology.
I don't know how much value it will add, after all - what do you call a doctor that graduates last in his class? Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: Kenosha on July 10, 2007, 07:34:01 am quote: Pshaw! Hell yes. Personally, I am willing to pay more for an OU educated doctor. Truthfully, I really believe that the biggest beneficary of this will be Bob Stoops. What recruit wouldn't want to go to a school that found a vaccine for AIDS? BOOMER SOONER BABY! # Eight in '08! Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: brunoflipper on July 10, 2007, 08:26:59 am quote:last in his class? high school class? DO? [:P] Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: brunoflipper on July 10, 2007, 08:27:51 am quote:last in his class? high school class? D.O.? [:P] Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: cannon_fodder on July 10, 2007, 08:45:18 am A doctor who graduates last in his class is called - doctor.
It doesn't matter. The guild is strong enough every graduate is guaranteed a job starting around $100K. Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: brunoflipper on July 10, 2007, 09:59:19 am quote:i know the joke... i was adding to it... Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: waterboy on July 10, 2007, 08:54:16 pm quote: And the lawyer who graduates last in his class?? (Your honor?) Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: cannon_fodder on July 11, 2007, 08:41:50 am A lawyer who graduates in the bottom HALF is called unemployed. Especially in this town. Anyone that harbors the illusion that a young attorney makes any money in Tulsa either knows someone working for a very small handful of firms (Hall Estell, Conner Winters, Doworts...) or doesn't know any.
poor me. poor, poor me. [:P] Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: mr.jaynes on July 11, 2007, 01:24:12 pm quote: It's definitely something to bring hope to those with HIV and even those with full-blown AIDS. I will follow this development, as it is a disease that has hit home for me-not only with a few of my friends and colleagues, but also a beloved uncle of mine. Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: perspicuity85 on July 12, 2007, 01:20:04 pm quote: What do you call a Harvard MBA student that graduates last in his class? Mr. President!! Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: perspicuity85 on July 12, 2007, 01:26:57 pm quote: I was thinking from the marketing standpoint of OU's medical school. Johns Hopkins, for example, charges significantly more for medical school tuition than a school like OU because a Johns Hopkins medical degree carries with it a lot of value in terms of brand equity. If OU becomes known as a leader in the field of HIV research, than the value of an OU medical degree will possibly increase in the minds of prospective students and employers of OU doctors. Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: brunoflipper on July 12, 2007, 02:36:09 pm quote:ummmmm, in short, no. i know what you were thinking and as far as a potential PR boost for OU, you are correct it would be one. but your understanding of the economics of physician salaries/reimbursement is completely wrong. physician salaries/income vary with regards to board certification, specialty, procedures performed, region, managerial duties and academic appointments. where they went to med school and residency has little, if anything, to do with the amount of money a physician might make. oh yeah, hopkins only costs more because it is private and only because there is no in-state discount. ou is actually more expensive than hopkins if you were not an oklahoma resident. now, granted, hopkins is far more selective but that really was not your point. OU Med School- Fall 2006 Admissions Statistics Acceptance rate: 19.6% Average MCAT score (composite): 9.5 2006-2007 Expenses In-State Tuition: $15,746 Out-of-State Tuition: $38,276 Required fees: $3,500 Room and board: $17,416 Johns Hopkins Med School- Fall 2006 Admissions Statistics Acceptance rate: 6.2% Average MCAT score (composite): 11.6 2006-2007 Expenses Tuition: $34,000 Required fees: $3,515 Room and board: $12,818 Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: perspicuity85 on July 16, 2007, 12:57:09 pm quote: That was not my point. Obviously a board certified neurosurgeon will usually make more than a pediatrician, no matter where each doctor went to school. All I was saying is that a national PR boost would possibly give OU's medical school a higher brand equity, in the mind of a prospective student, or maybe an employer, depending on the circumstances. For example, if the CDC wanted to comission researchers to study HIV infections, perhaps they would hire students from a medical school that is known for conducting HIV research. Johns Hopkins, for example, carries a prestige status among common US citizens as a place that produces some of our most elite physicians. Universities' brand equity is typically the basis for justification of tuition hikes and expanded services. Another example: A degree from flagship, or major-conference state schools generally has a higher prestige status than a degree from regional universities. You're right about one thing, most of the time employers don't care where someone's degree came from, but that's not what colleges tell prospective students and incoming freshmen. Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: brunoflipper on July 16, 2007, 02:06:07 pm quote: quote: you said "employers" and i pointed out that most employer's still won't care where a doctor got his MD, employers will look at training programs... quote: the cdc gives two ****s about where candidate went to medical school, they do care about what research an individual md/phd student might have done but not where and that is not what you said... quote: your analogies are all muddled by the fact that a physician's residency program tends to be more of a gold standard for comparing physicians than where they went to med school and certainly, undergrad... quote: i'm right about a lot of things... hopkins is still not more expensive than ou out-of-state tuition... and one discovery, major or not, will have little bearing on the "value to an OU medical degree"... if your were trying to argue that their phd virology/imunology candidates might be more appealing upon matriculation, i'd give you that... but an to think this finding might "add a lot of value to an OU medical degree" is silly... to be clear, that article referenced PHD bench work by some really impressive guys... but they are PHD's doing real research... their contact with med students is cursory... most MDs, unless they are MD/PHDs, never get near a lab... you could have said... If this turns out to be a major breakthrough, it could be a great PR boost for the OU Health Sciences Center. or If this turns out to be a major breakthrough, it could add some value to an OU virology/microbology/immunology PHD degree. Title: OU scientists make possible HIV breakthrough Post by: perspicuity85 on July 17, 2007, 04:21:27 pm Looks like someone loves hairsplitting, Brunoflipper. There are some medical facilities that hire on a very competitive basis, and depending on the specificity of your education, you may have a greater chance of getting a job, at least in the mind of prospective students. There are many students that choose where to go to college based on the perceived value, in their mind, of the degree they will obtain. It's marketing 101, agree to disagree. And by the way, Hillcrest was never non-profit, it was not-for-profit. There's a difference.
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