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Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Townsend on July 17, 2007, 10:25:08 am So we look a little less than perfect caring for classic automobiles here in Tulsa.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070717_1_A4_spanc47445 Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: sgrizzle on July 17, 2007, 11:49:06 am I would be crowne plaza overspray. Anything from the Arena that was airborne should've been dry and very diluted by the time it goes that far.
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: AMP on July 17, 2007, 03:47:15 pm They thought the Belevedere would be dry, or was that diluted by then also. :)
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: sauerkraut on July 17, 2007, 04:55:34 pm Sounds like it could of been windblown sand, if it is paint it could be primer from workmen working on something high up. That paint dust can travel a long ways, perhaps a water tower or bill board being re-painted.
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Oil Capital on July 18, 2007, 07:04:40 am Seems pretty likely to be from the Crowne Plaza, since they having been painting red AND BROWN on the outside of it...
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Conan71 on July 18, 2007, 09:45:01 am Pretty stupid considering that Crowne Plaza was the host hotel.
Someone is going to take a huge hit on this. Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: sauerkraut on July 18, 2007, 01:10:40 pm It'll be tuff to collect for damages. Everyone will pass the blame. Even a court ruling in your favor you'll still have to collect the damages somehow. I'd just let it go it's not worth the hassle. Chalk it up to bad judgement and move on.
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: AngieB on July 18, 2007, 02:45:13 pm Are you serious??? There is thousands upon thousands of dollars in damages. The residue CAN and I'm sure WILL be analyzed and the culprit will be identified.
When you've got a $100,000 car, it's worth the hassle. I'd be p*ssed if it was my car and I know I'd pursue it. Get real. Ain't nobody gonna let this one go and "move on". Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Conan71 on July 18, 2007, 03:11:42 pm ^^
Especially someone with an original paint car. Completely original with original paint in good condition can double the value of a desireable or collectible car. If it has to be re-finished, someone will lose a huge chunk of value in their pristine GTO Judge. Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Steve on July 18, 2007, 04:32:58 pm quote: When I read about this damage in the paper, it nearly made me sick to my stomach. If I were an owner of one of the damaged cars, I would be so p*ssed off that my vision would be blurred. I understand some of the vehicles also had interior damage because the windows were down for judging. A horrible, horrible shame. I did see a spokesman from the Crowne Plaza hotel on TV news last night and he said that if painting activities at the hotel are found to be responsible for the damage, they would "make it right." Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Double A on July 19, 2007, 12:31:01 am There's more to this story, this general contractor, and crown plaza. It has something to do with a months long ongoing labor dispute. More information to follow...
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: sauerkraut on July 19, 2007, 05:55:50 pm We had something simulur happen in the mid-1990's. A company about 1/8 of a mile away was painting the water towers, & that spray got on peoples cars who worked at nearby factories. They tryed to collect for paint damage but failed. it got my vehicle to, but I drove an old 1981 Ford truck and cleaned it myself I scrubed out the little yellow paint dots myself and then waxed it. Yes, I'd be ticked off too if I had a brand new truck. In the end most of the people with damaged/paint dots on their cars took care of it themselfs and had it detailed and cleaned on their own dime at local car detailing joints..[B)]
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Townsend on July 20, 2007, 07:40:21 am quote: I think this might be a "If we ever want them or any other car show back in Tulsa" scenarios though Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Conan71 on July 20, 2007, 08:29:41 am quote: Lemme guess using non-union labor? Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Conan71 on July 20, 2007, 02:34:42 pm Anyone else find it slightly mysterious this happened the same weekend as Rocklahoma? [;)]
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: jiminy on July 20, 2007, 03:53:12 pm So some construction guys were ticked off at having to work and not getting to rock?
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Double A on July 21, 2007, 06:00:05 pm Ex-Tulsan charged with tax evasion in embezzlement case
By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer 10/25/2003 A former Tulsan has been charged with tax evasion in a case a federal prosecutor said was connected to the embezzlement of more than $250,000 from three local firms. James Joseph Dailey, 50, was charged with failing to file income tax returns from 1998 through 2002 in an effort to conceal his actual income, which allegedly had been augmented by embezzlement. Assistant U.S. Attorney Charles McLoughlin said Dailey worked as an accountant and office manager for F&H Supply, Green Country Interiors Inc. and General Acoustics Inc. Dailey was hired by the companies in 1997 under the false name of James Owens, McLoughlin said, adding that the false name apparently was used to disguise a criminal record in Oregon. Court records indicate that Dailey was sentenced there in March 1996 to one year in prison and two years of supervised release for the theft of $38,500 from a hospital. McLoughlin said authorities believe that Dailey embezzled from the three Tulsa companies for several years until his activity was detected by the Internal Revenue Service in March. Investigators believe that Dail ey spent the money on gambling junkets to Las Vegas and Tunica, Miss., on vacations to Florida and the Caribbean, and to purchase two Corvettes, McLoughlin said. Dailey, now of Fort Myers, Fla., was charged by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Tulsa instead of by grand jury indictment. Cases pursued in this manner usually result in guilty pleas. McLoughlin said Dailey could be sentenced to between one year, nine months and 21/2 years in prison if he follows through with the plea. Dailey will owe $287,019.08 in restitution, court records indicate. Of that amount, $172,189.95 is owed F&H Supply, $110,161.03 to Green Country Interiors and $4,668.10 to General Acoustics, records show. These employees were robbed of their Social Security. How many have been paid back? Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: inteller on July 21, 2007, 06:39:50 pm quote: no kidding. tulsa better make this right. Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Trams on July 21, 2007, 11:03:58 pm Surely Crown Plaza has some type of insurance that would cover the property damage - general liability insurance, or what not.
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Double A on July 22, 2007, 12:40:13 am Do you ever wonder why Tulsa is crawling with illegal aliens? Ruthless, negligent, criminal, employers like this are to blame. Many of my esteemed colleagues in the professional building trades, including myself, disaffectionately refer to Green Country Interiors as Green Card(optional) Country.
Hispanics find niche in local economy By NORA K. FROESCHLE Assistant Editor 9/3/2003 Below: Mike Rogers (left), Francisco Sanchez and Martin Cordova, who work for Green Country Interiors Inc., take a break at the construction site for Montereau at Warren Woods, a retirement center near 71st Street and Sheridan Road.Photos by NORA K. FROESCHLE / Tulsa World Tulsa's Hispanic population continues to grow, and its members help reshape the English-speaking culture.In Tulsa, the Hispanic population, both new and long-established, is influencing arts, sports and culture; religion, work and the economy; and education, social services and health care. In Oklahoma, 179,304 residents counted in the census called themselves Spanish, Hispanic or Latino, making them the third-largest minority population in the state behind American Indians and blacks. American Indians numbered 273,230, or 7.9 percent of the state's population, and black Oklahomans accounted for 260,968, or 7.5 percent of the total population.But the state's Hispanic community is the fastest-growing population, showing a 108 percent increase since 1990. In Tulsa County, Census 2000 counted 33,616 people who identified themselves as Spanish, Hispanic or Latino, which is nearly 6 percent of the county's total population of 563,299. That number likely has risen. Unofficially, it is believed that the number of undocumented Hispanics in the Tulsa area would push the Hispanic population considerably above the Census 2000 figure. Most Hispanic people come to Tulsa to improve their standard of living, said Maria Palacios, senior planner with the Community Service Council of Greater Tulsa, 16 E. 16th St. The council conducted a comprehensive study of Tulsa's Hispanic population in 2001. Fifty-one percent of the respondents to the survey said they had moved to the area for job opportunities. In the workplace Employment among Hispanic people provided a focus of the Community Service Council study. A majority of Hispanics polled worked in jobs that are considered blue-collar, Palacios said. The notion that Hispanic workers are taking jobs from willing non-Hispanics is false, she said. "These are not jobs that a lot of other people are lining up for, and only Hispanics get chosen," she said. Fifteen percent of the respondents said they are working in construction, 14 percent in hotel and restaurants, 12 percent are in professional and managerial fields, and 11 percent are technicians in a variety of fields. Twelve percent fell into the "other" category, and the remaining 36 percent of the respondents said they worked in cleaning, homemaking, agriculture, factory work, education, clerical, service, engineering and medical fields. In the construction industry, a major employer reports a positive experience in employing Hispanic workers according to Xavier Neira, vice president of special projects for the company. Rooney Brothers Co., 5601 S. 122nd East Ave., the parent company of Manhattan Construction Co. and Hope Lumber and Supply Co., nationwide employs 2,600 people, 46 percent of whom are Hispanic. In Tulsa, the company employs 447 workers, 34 percent of whom are Hispanic. Changing world Neira, who emigrated from Mexico with his family when he was 13, serves as an unofficial spokesman and liaison to the company's Spanish-speaking workers. Most of the company's forms and training materials have been translated into Spanish, and work sites have signs posted in English and Spanish. But these moves reflect only the surface evidence of what is apparently a deeper transformation. Accordingly, the company changed pay structures to reward performance in some areas. For example, workers who load trucks of lumber are paid by the load, rather than by the hour. This fall, the company will introduce a pilot payroll program that will work something like a card for an automated teller machine. "We have so many employees who can't get a checking account," Neira said. Almost 50 percent of the respondents in the Community Service Council study said they did not have personal bank accounts. Workers who do not have bank accounts usually pay a fee to have their checks cashed, Neira said. Instead of printing weekly payroll checks and shipping them to sites around the country, the company plans to issue a payroll ATM card to each employee. The cards would benefit the company, because it would save on check printing and shipping costs. It also would lessen the employees' worries about their cash, Neira said. He believes the program will inspire company loyalty as well. "If you show concern, you get it back three-fold," Neira said. In 2000, the Home Builders Association of Greater Tulsa estimated the economic impact of the Hispanic workforce on the construction industry alone was $50 million. Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: AMP on July 22, 2007, 02:26:55 am That type of restoration is hard to accomplish. Original paint is worth far more on classic cars than a restoration.
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: RecycleMichael on July 22, 2007, 06:30:12 am I don't think there is a link between some cars getting sprayed with paint and some Tulsa employers hiring Hispanic employees.
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Breadburner on July 22, 2007, 08:13:51 am The idea that this is Tulsa's fault makes me laugh.....
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Double A on July 22, 2007, 08:54:09 am quote:Right, the unskilled, uneducated, un trained, unsafe, slave wage, piecework, illegal alien laborers doing the work wouldn't have any connection at all. Green Card(optional) Country just learned you get what you pay for the hard way. I AM: a classic car show victimized by cheap illegal workers and a Mayor who refuses to address the problem of illegal immigration. FIND ME: In Tulsa. Make Life Bitter. Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: sgrizzle on July 22, 2007, 01:02:52 pm Likely crown plaza didn't put the forthought into telling their contractors not to paint during the show. As far as spraying when their are expensive cars underneath, I've never known stupidity to be tied to race. I'm pretty sure there are idiots in every color.
Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: inteller on July 22, 2007, 02:17:00 pm quote: yeah, keep laughing while tulsa gains a bad rep as a convention host and loses millions in future tourism dollars. Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Breadburner on July 22, 2007, 02:39:59 pm quote: You and A/A been playing house together..... Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: inteller on July 22, 2007, 04:17:15 pm quote: no, just living in REALITY. Title: Show cars damaged by unknown spray Post by: Conan71 on July 23, 2007, 11:12:19 am quote: No drifting overspray from all the hairspray in Pryor. Sorry my lame attempt at humor. |