Tomorrow is going to be another ozone alert day.
We failed yesterday at the Glenpool and Lynn Lane monitors. They had eight hour averages over 92 parts per million and the limit is 85.
Today is looking tough at both sites as well. It is too early to tell, but the noon readings were over a hundred parts per million.
The EPA gives you three bad days and regulates a community by the fourth worst day of readings.
We may burn through out three strikes in three straight days.
We need some wind.
Thank goodness you were right about the wind last week. We did not need the media blasting us over air quality as well as the heat.
There were a couple of refinery flare shots as the cameras scanned the horizon.
You think the Bush EPA really will do anything?
They have to. Environmental groups will sue and win.
The way our court system werks?
It would take forever....
Hmm, I guess we should have been using the low Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) gasoline like we promised the EPA in our "Early Action Compact" instead of that cheaper stuff from Coffeyville[:o)]
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7015
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Originally posted by patric
Hmm, I guess we should have been using the low Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) gasoline like we promised the EPA in our "Early Action Compact" instead of that cheaper stuff from Coffeyville[:o)]
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7015
Oooh, snap!
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Originally posted by patric
Hmm, I guess we should have been using the low Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) gasoline like we promised the EPA in our "Early Action Compact" instead of that cheaper stuff from Coffeyville[:o)]
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7015
they already give us that low octane premium ****...how about they put some teeth into the incentives for natural gas vehicles.....until then I say up yours!
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by patric
Hmm, I guess we should have been using the low Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) gasoline like we promised the EPA in our "Early Action Compact" instead of that cheaper stuff from Coffeyville[:o)]
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7015
they already give us that low octane premium ****...how about they put some teeth into the incentives for natural gas vehicles.....until then I say up yours!
Better yet, incentives for zero emission vehicles. Bring back vehicle inspection stickers to pay for it.
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Originally posted by patric
Hmm, I guess we should have been using the low Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) gasoline like we promised the EPA in our "Early Action Compact" instead of that cheaper stuff from Coffeyville[:o)]
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7015
But we are mostly using the better(lower vapor pressure) gasoline. Each of the five major producers for fuel for the Tulsa area are still helping.
The early action compact is all voluntary measures that we are trying to do curry favor with EPA. The intent is to make a list of everything you do...then, if you fail, EPA knows it is not your fault. You did everything you could and the weather conditions made it impossible to succeed.
By the way, we failed terribly today. That's two. You get three strikes and tomorrow is going to be tough unless the wind picks up.
I really need to mow.. someone want to lend me a Reel mower for a couple days?
One thing Tulsa could do that would help is to adjust the traffic lights so they are more efficient at regulating traffic. An idling car emits more pollution than one that's at speed.
I've sat at 31st and Riverside, 41st and Riverside, lots of intersections downtown, and a few others with no traffic coming from the other direction. NONE. And yet, there are 20 cars idling at red lights. There's no use to cycle lights if there's no traffic.
I would bet half of the lights downtown could be turned off and it would likely help traffic flow. That would reduce pollution and save electricity.
There is actually a plan to do that.
The city of Tulsa Public Works department has been doing timing studies and making adjustments this summer.
You are correct, Idling cars cause more pollution.
The cool part about my car is it automatically shuts its engine off when stopped at an intersection. No idling pollution.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
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Originally posted by patric
Hmm, I guess we should have been using the low Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) gasoline like we promised the EPA in our "Early Action Compact" instead of that cheaper stuff from Coffeyville[:o)]
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7015
But we are mostly using the better(lower vapor pressure) gasoline. Each of the five major producers for fuel for the Tulsa area are still helping.
The early action compact is all voluntary measures that we are trying to do curry favor with EPA. The intent is to make a list of everything you do...then, if you fail, EPA knows it is not your fault. You did everything you could and the weather conditions made it impossible to succeed.
By the way, we failed terribly today. That's two. You get three strikes and tomorrow is going to be tough unless the wind picks up.
We have everything we could to avoid it? Get real. We've done the absolute least we could possibly do. Hell, we don't even offer free bus rides on ozone alert days anymore. This apologist/enabler mentality is why we are in the mess we are in today, that and poor leadership from the "so-called" environmental stewards(uncle Tom's) of this city. Ozone Alerts are a joke, they are a feel good solution that don't substantively solve a damn thing. All it does is sedate the chicken ****, conformist, consumer masses by giving them illusion that our city leaders are solving the problem so they will return to their complacent apathy comas and bury their heads back in the bar codes of their fascist feudalist massers. It's just more of the same status quo in Tulsa, style over substance. I wanna be sedated, too. I wonder why the kool-aid doesn't work on me? It just makes me sick and tired. Tulsa needs an intervention. Maybe the dirty air list is the rock bottom this old junky needs to save itself from itself. I think I'll go fill up my tank, mow the lawn and then do a little joyriding. Cheers!
DoubleA...angry and uninformed as usual.
The air quality program and steps are voluntary. If you feel like polluting the air like you do this forum, go ahead.
Thousands of other Tulsans do care. Bus ridership is up 30% on ozone days. The city and others suspend mowing operations. We don't do it because of some federal regulation, we do it because it is OUR air that WE breathe.
Simple solution to traffic light problems is to cycle them into flashing mode during light traffic times. One directions flashes yellow while the less used direction flashes red. Many small towns traffic lights are set up that way.
Cheap and easy fix. Slow down and proceed through on flashing yellow. Stop and go when clear on flashing red.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Thousands of other Tulsans do care. Bus ridership is up 30% on ozone days.
Is that because the rides are cheaper or is because people actually care? I tend to be skeptical of the latter version.
You think people are going to totally change their commuting habits just to save 75 cents each way?
Don't think an Ozone Alert would stop a scheduled major auto race.
Oh, it didn't they are racing tonight and tomorrow and Saturday. LOL
Not sure of the effects of burning Methanol fuel in high compression efficent engines.
Anyone have the specs on that?
That's right, attack me because you really can't defend this. If we do not make serious changes, instead of continuing these voluntary spin and window dressing illusions, we will be facing expensive involuntary changes that we cannot afford to be forced to make. The EPA is making the ozone standards stricter and Tulsa will not be able to avoid non-attainment under our current Ozone Alert spin solution to deal with our pollution problems. Besides, it looks more and more likely that we will be on the dirty air list under the current standards, anyway. Tulsa needs to stop the cheer leading and start the proof reading.
Please don't refer to our extensive ozone education campaign as "spin". You insult the team of people who work hard every year to do all we can to keep Tulsa off the dirty air list.
Tulsa has the best voluntary ozone reduction program in the country. We work hard to get the message out and our efforts have kept Tulsa's air clean. When Tulsa passed last year by one one thousand of a point, we know our efforts mattered. When you are that close to failing, every person makes a difference.
Half of the problems for ozone formation comes from passenger cars. Other high contributors are gasoline lawn equipment like mowers and weed-eaters. Our campaign addresses these areas very publicly, but that is not all that is happening.
We have had meetings with every local indutry that is classified as an emitter. We are working together on a variety of strategies to reduce emissions. Many of these industries are taking expensive measures because we asked them to and they too want clean air in Tulsa.
You probably didn't know all that, so you just attacked us. Your comments like these, We've done the absolute least we could possibly do. Hell, we don't even offer free bus rides on ozone alert days anymore. This apologist/enabler mentality is why we are in the mess we are in today, that and poor leadership from the "so-called" environmental stewards(uncle Tom's) of this city. Ozone Alerts are a joke, they are a feel good solution that don't substantively solve a damn thing. All it does is sedate the chicken ****, conformist, consumer masses by giving them illusion that our city leaders are solving the problem so they will return to their complacent apathy comas and bury their heads back in the bar codes of their fascist feudalist massers. tell me that you just want to attack us and call us names. I don't know why you think that is the solution.
Am I the only one who avoids getting gas on Ozone alert days? A few people I talked to didnt even know that was a problem. For the love of god, you can SEE the fumes while pumping gas. Sheesh!
Sheesh yourself! I work in the field in a Network Operations job and I can't help filling up on Ozone Days due to mileage reasons. Some people cannot help it. I do honor it by not doing yard work when I get home.
No, I understand Rowdy. If tomorrow is an ozone alert day I will have to fill up for sure... one can only go so many days. Especially if you have a long commute or drive for work. I understand that.
What I was referring to was several friends of mine. I mentioned something about running on "E" to avoid filling up and it stirred a discussion on why. I said to avoid going over the pollution limits... ozone alert days, dirty air list. They had no idea filling up with gas contributed.
That's what perplexed me. They didn't even realize they should try to avoid it.
We should always try to buy gas at night during the summer.
Ozone is produced by a mixture of VOC and NOX that gets baked by the afternoon sun. Buying gas(or even mowing) late at night gives the problems a chance to dissipate before morning.
The weather forecast calls a little wind to pick up the next few days so I think we will be OK for a short while. If the wind is blowing, feel free to buy gas or mow and trim the lawn.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
No, I understand Rowdy. If tomorrow is an ozone alert day I will have to fill up for sure... one can only go so many days. Especially if you have a long commute or drive for work. I understand that.
What I was referring to was several friends of mine. I mentioned something about running on "E" to avoid filling up and it stirred a discussion on why. I said to avoid going over the pollution limits... ozone alert days, dirty air list. They had no idea filling up with gas contributed.
That's what perplexed me. They didn't even realize they should try to avoid it.
Yeah, I still remember a few years ago where one of the local news crews was going out to filling stations and walking up to people interviewing them on the spot. They would ask why they were filling up on Ozone Alert Day and they had the Deer-In-The-Headlights look. [:P]
I will vote for the river tax if it includes funds for oxygen masks which are now neccesary to enjoy the river parks during the summer months.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Please don't refer to our extensive ozone education campaign as "spin". You insult the team of people who work hard every year to do all we can to keep Tulsa off the dirty air list.
Tulsa has the best voluntary ozone reduction program in the country. We work hard to get the message out and our efforts have kept Tulsa's air clean. When Tulsa passed last year by one one thousand of a point, we know our efforts mattered. When you are that close to failing, every person makes a difference.
Half of the problems for ozone formation comes from passenger cars. Other high contributors are gasoline lawn equipment like mowers and weed-eaters. Our campaign addresses these areas very publicly, but that is not all that is happening.
We have had meetings with every local indutry that is classified as an emitter. We are working together on a variety of strategies to reduce emissions. Many of these industries are taking expensive measures because we asked them to and they too want clean air in Tulsa.
You probably didn't know all that, so you just attacked us. Your comments like these, We've done the absolute least we could possibly do. Hell, we don't even offer free bus rides on ozone alert days anymore. This apologist/enabler mentality is why we are in the mess we are in today, that and poor leadership from the "so-called" environmental stewards(uncle Tom's) of this city. Ozone Alerts are a joke, they are a feel good solution that don't substantively solve a damn thing. All it does is sedate the chicken ****, conformist, consumer masses by giving them illusion that our city leaders are solving the problem so they will return to their complacent apathy comas and bury their heads back in the bar codes of their fascist feudalist massers. tell me that you just want to attack us and call us names. I don't know why you think that is the solution.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Short of a full frontal lobotomy, there is no way I will join the chorus of cheer leaders who engage in this mental illness. This voluntary approach to solving this problem is like holding a gambler's anonymous meeting at a casino and we are getting about the same results. Lady Luck has been very kind to us this summer, but she is a fickle mistress. Our luck will run out. Sorry if I think gambling Tulsa's future on feel good measures is an insane way to deal with this problem.
I realize that you just "hate the establishment" and use this forum like a urinal.
We get it.
You have no clue about real facts and write and speak incorrect innuendos and anger as a tool to act like a rebel.
We get it.
You would rather call people names and make speeches to anyone who has a camera and a microphone. It is all about you.
We get it.
Tulsa has been off the dirty air list for every year since we have had an organized air quality education committee. The larger communities around us...Dallas, Kansas City, Houston, Denver and even smaller communities like Longview have all failed and now on the dirty air list. Tulsa has a program that almost every other community wants. The EPA calls our program the best voluntary program in the country and has entered into contracts with us pledging to do everything they can to keep us off if we fail.
Tulsa was even given a special status a few years ago calling us a "Flexible Attainment Region". They admitted that we did better than anyone else and if we failed, it was impossible for anyone in our situation to succeed.
The standards will probably continue to become more strict and there may be a day where they set a standard that we cannot meet. But I am going to do all I can before then to convince everybody else in town to act those few days a year where it really matters.
They get it.
It seems to me, that the reality of "Ozone Alerts" and what our air measures at, is about 99.9% weather, and 0.1% people refraining from cutting the weeds.
A freaking weed eater is going to make a difference? We pollute the same amount every day. Every day there are airplanes, helicopters, thousands of semi-trucks, two refineries, a power plant, and plenty of gas pumping at the local QTs. Not buying gas at a certain time because of "pollution" is just as foolish as those chain e-mail letters about "Boycott gas on the 12th, we can cost Exxon $10 billion if we all work together!!1" - Because you are still going to fill up your tank. You will be polluting the same. The Ozone alert system is pretty much saying "pollute more at night, instead" or "pollute more next week".
But it is the WEATHER that usually does a good job of blowing our pollution away, and every now and then stagnates allowing us to breath in our own pollution.
I think Double A's point, while he may come off as hostile against the whole establishment, is simply that if we REALLY want to deal with the problem of POLLUTION, we should actually address the core of the problem. Telling people not to use a weed-eater makes people FEEL like they are doing something. So Joe Citizen now has a yard looking like squalor, while BillyBob the truck driver continues driving his big-rig across town, the refinery finds new and clever ways to dispose of toxic waste under our noses, and news helicopters fly around just for the hell of it.
I'm adding to that point my own, that pollution on a windy fall or spring day is the exact same pollution as on a stagnant summer day. Why not hold every day of the year to the same standard, instead of suddenly thinking we have a problem because of the weather?
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Originally posted by YoungTulsan
It seems to me, that the reality of "Ozone Alerts" and what our air measures at, is about 99.9% weather, and 0.1% people refraining from cutting the weeds.
A freaking weed eater is going to make a difference? We pollute the same amount every day. Every day there are airplanes, helicopters, thousands of semi-trucks, two refineries, a power plant, and plenty of gas pumping at the local QTs. Not buying gas at a certain time because of "pollution" is just as foolish as those chain e-mail letters about "Boycott gas on the 12th, we can cost Exxon $10 billion if we all work together!!1" - Because you are still going to fill up your tank. You will be polluting the same. The Ozone alert system is pretty much saying "pollute more at night, instead" or "pollute more next week".
But it is the WEATHER that usually does a good job of blowing our pollution away, and every now and then stagnates allowing us to breath in our own pollution.
I think Double A's point, while he may come off as hostile against the whole establishment, is simply that if we REALLY want to deal with the problem of POLLUTION, we should actually address the core of the problem. Telling people not to use a weed-eater makes people FEEL like they are doing something. So Joe Citizen now has a yard looking like squalor, while BillyBob the truck driver continues driving his big-rig across town, the refinery finds new and clever ways to dispose of toxic waste under our noses, and news helicopters fly around just for the hell of it.
I'm adding to that point my own, that pollution on a windy fall or spring day is the exact same pollution as on a stagnant summer day. Why not hold every day of the year to the same standard, instead of suddenly thinking we have a problem because of the weather?
And passing the buck on to our children. This has to end with our generation. We shouldn't repeat the same mistakes and continue the same habitual dysfunction of our parents. We will be the ones who will have to deal with problems our parents lacked the courage or conviction to resolve. We must spare our children from having to face these issues by acting to provide real, long term solutions. They deserve better parents than ours and we have absolutely no excuse not to be.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by YoungTulsan
It seems to me, that the reality of "Ozone Alerts" and what our air measures at, is about 99.9% weather, and 0.1% people refraining from cutting the weeds.
A freaking weed eater is going to make a difference? We pollute the same amount every day. Every day there are airplanes, helicopters, thousands of semi-trucks, two refineries, a power plant, and plenty of gas pumping at the local QTs. Not buying gas at a certain time because of "pollution" is just as foolish as those chain e-mail letters about "Boycott gas on the 12th, we can cost Exxon $10 billion if we all work together!!1" - Because you are still going to fill up your tank. You will be polluting the same. The Ozone alert system is pretty much saying "pollute more at night, instead" or "pollute more next week".
But it is the WEATHER that usually does a good job of blowing our pollution away, and every now and then stagnates allowing us to breath in our own pollution.
I think Double A's point, while he may come off as hostile against the whole establishment, is simply that if we REALLY want to deal with the problem of POLLUTION, we should actually address the core of the problem. Telling people not to use a weed-eater makes people FEEL like they are doing something. So Joe Citizen now has a yard looking like squalor, while BillyBob the truck driver continues driving his big-rig across town, the refinery finds new and clever ways to dispose of toxic waste under our noses, and news helicopters fly around just for the hell of it.
I'm adding to that point my own, that pollution on a windy fall or spring day is the exact same pollution as on a stagnant summer day. Why not hold every day of the year to the same standard, instead of suddenly thinking we have a problem because of the weather?
And passing the buck on to our children. This has to end with our generation. We shouldn't repeat the same mistakes and continue the same habitual dysfunction of our parents. We will be the ones who will have to deal with problems our parents lacked the courage or conviction to resolve. We must spare our children from having to face these issues by acting to provide real, long term solutions. They deserve better parents than ours and we have absolutely no excuse not to be.
Help me! I've time warped back to the 60's and I can't find reality....
Let me elaborate on that. Your bad parents were the generation that said the same thing you are saying, only 40 years ago. We conceived and started Earth Day. We were responsible for scads of environmental laws that forced polluters to clean up after themselves. We forced communities to clean up rivers that once caught fire. My wife and I refused to buy colored toilet paper in the 70's because the dye polluted the waters. We championed mass transit, geo-thermal, wind power, auto mileage standards, forestry reform, and on, and on. Where and when do you think the EPA evolved?
And we faced hostile parents who paid for our education by working for the corporations we so hated. Nonetheless, countless laws and practices were changed for the better. And this is the thanks we get?
The battle will always be there when corporations with little or no conscience follow the money so buck up and continue the fight. But for heavens sake don't turn on your best assets in the fight.
Adding to what waterboy said, I'm old enough to remember when pollution was REALLY bad during the late 1960s and a good chunk of the 1970s.
Littering was far worse than it is now, Lake Erie was so polluted that it was considered a "dead" lake, and a brownish haze could be seen over most major cities at *any* time of the year, not just during hot days.
Within just a few years after those EPA rules, things had improved dramatically. We have a ways to go, but it sure beats 35 years ago.
Those who complain about pollution now are too young to remember how bad it truly was, or have poor memories.
I'm doing my part with solar panels, Energy Star appliances, a manual reel mower, and a low-emissions car. And I aim to do even more.
What are you doing, Double A?
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Originally posted by YoungTulsan
It seems to me, that the reality of "Ozone Alerts" and what our air measures at, is about 99.9% weather, and 0.1% people refraining from cutting the weeds.
A freaking weed eater is going to make a difference? We pollute the same amount every day. Every day there are airplanes, helicopters, thousands of semi-trucks, two refineries, a power plant, and plenty of gas pumping at the local QTs. Not buying gas at a certain time because of "pollution" is just as foolish as those chain e-mail letters about "Boycott gas on the 12th, we can cost Exxon $10 billion if we all work together!!1" - Because you are still going to fill up your tank. You will be polluting the same. The Ozone alert system is pretty much saying "pollute more at night, instead" or "pollute more next week".
I will try to address these...thanks for asking, it gives me a chance to keep going...
You are correct that weather is the biggest factor. Tulsa sits in a little valley and we usually get some stretch of summer when the wind just stops. Some cities have more consistent summer wind (it is always windy in Oklahoma City...insert your own political joke here). But just because we can't change the weather doesn't mean we should not try to cause pollution.
One out of five kids in America suffer from asthma and are especially susceptable to ozone. If my simple actions of avoiding extra drivimg miles or buying gas at night instead of morning can help thousands and thousands of kids in Tulsa breathe better, sign me up to care.
That is why we do it. For us. I want to live in a healthy community. What list some federal government agency says we are on is not my only motivating factor.
Yes, a weed eater makes a difference. The small lawn maintenence items have no pollution control equipment. One hour of a mower or weed eater is the same as ten or twelve hours of driving the average car. This means that two hours of mowing and weedeating emissions are equivalent of 100 of us driving cars for a ten minute trip.
Yes, we are saying "pollute more at night", even though that probably won't be a slogan that we will use in our campaign. Air pollution dissipates over time and overnight hours mean less people are out and exposed.
But also ozone is a very unique kind of pollution that is formed by a reaction of sunlight and two types of gas. VOCs and NOX blend like a cake recipe and then create ozone only when they are cooked by heat and sunlight. Ozone levels are very easy to track and they are always highest from lunch till dinner, the times when the sun is high in the sky.
If we have clouds, we have lower ozone levels. If we have wind, we have lower ozone leverls. If we have rain, we wash out the pollutants in the air and we have very low levels of ozone.
Finally, my political commentary...
One of the reasons I react so strongly to fools like doubleA is that they all act like the world is too far gone and we should run around screaming. He should trade names with Chicken Little and say "the sky is falling!"
We have made tremendous strides in America (and in Tulsa) and the air is cleaner than ever before. The ozone levels in Tulsa were sometimes in the high .150s for 8 hours and now we have 8 hour averages that exceed .090 only a couple of times a year.
Our air continues to get cleaner and it is because our campaign is working. It involves all the things that doublea distrusts, like elected officials, media, and private industries like the refineries. Thousands of us do change our lives slightly on the few days a summer when the DEQ calls an ozone alert day. Together we make a difference.
I am nobody's fool, especially yours, spincycle. You might be fooling others, but you aren't fooling me. I won't co-sign the B.S. spin. Try to play me for the fool, but I ain't tha one.
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Originally posted by waterboy
Let me elaborate on that. Your bad parents were the generation that said the same thing you are saying, only 40 years ago. We conceived and started Earth Day. We were responsible for scads of environmental laws that forced polluters to clean up after themselves. We forced communities to clean up rivers that once caught fire. My wife and I refused to buy colored toilet paper in the 70's because the dye polluted the waters. We championed mass transit, geo-thermal, wind power, auto mileage standards, forestry reform, and on, and on. Where and when do you think the EPA evolved?
And we faced hostile parents who paid for our education by working for the corporations we so hated. Nonetheless, countless laws and practices were changed for the better. And this is the thanks we get?
The battle will always be there when corporations with little or no conscience follow the money so buck up and continue the fight. But for heavens sake don't turn on your best assets in the fight.
I do realize that, but I think it further illustrates the point that we don't really have any of those things on a widespread, affordable or accessible scale. Nonetheless, countless laws and practices that have been changed for the better, have been changed for the worst in the past 8 years by a president your generation elected, not mine. Your generation gave Bush the White House and my generation(don't forget the Y's either) the Iraq war to fight, not mine. With assets like that, who needs liabilities? All I am saying is that my generation has to do a better job than this.
Would you happen to have a breakdown by age and demographic of who voted for this bumpkin? You might be surprised at how conservative the young have become. I refuse to believe that my generation alone (over 50) is responsible for Bush and dang sure not Iraq. Most of us knew better than to create another Viet Nam. Many of us actually believe we elected Gore then Kerry and were screwed by the under 45 yr old techs at Diebold. But at least we voted. It was a close race and those who didn't vote deserve the blame, not me.
Churchill: "Anyone who isn't a liberal as a young man has no heart. Anyone who isn't a conservative as an old man has no brain." We did our part when we were young to start the wheels of environmental/societal change and inevitably age and wealth beset us. But what can you say about an under 40 now who sports bumper stickers that say, "The President"?
tulsa is in a valley? as compared to what, kansas?
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I realize that you just "hate the establishment" and use this forum like a urinal.
We get it.
You have no clue about real facts and write and speak incorrect innuendos and anger as a tool to act like a rebel.
We get it.
You would rather call people names and make speeches to anyone who has a camera and a microphone. It is all about you.
We get it.
Tulsa has been off the dirty air list for every year since we have had an organized air quality education committee. The larger communities around us...Dallas, Kansas City, Houston, Denver and even smaller communities like Longview have all failed and now on the dirty air list. Tulsa has a program that almost every other community wants. The EPA calls our program the best voluntary program in the country and has entered into contracts with us pledging to do everything they can to keep us off if we fail.
Tulsa was even given a special status a few years ago calling us a "Flexible Attainment Region". They admitted that we did better than anyone else and if we failed, it was impossible for anyone in our situation to succeed.
The standards will probably continue to become more strict and there may be a day where they set a standard that we cannot meet. But I am going to do all I can before then to convince everybody else in town to act those few days a year where it really matters.
They get it.
It's not just that we have what other polluters want; Tulsa was the very first city in the nation to have a plan like Ozone Alert days. Ours is the model plan from what I understand.
Much like we had the model plan for flood management after the 1984 Memorial Day flood.
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Originally posted by inteller
tulsa is in a valley? as compared to what, kansas?
The reason we have a river running through the city is because the land slopes down from points around it, to where it flows.
^ Yup.
Apparently the basics of topography have escaped inteller's grasp.