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I haven't heard anything lately about the proposal for a light rail transit system in Tulsa.

I talked with someone in the Mayor's office in August 2006. They informed me that they would be receiving RFP's by October (2006) and would have a decision sometime in the Spring of 2007.

I haven't heard anything since. Does anyone have any news on this subject?

The megabus idea is stupid and will fail.

People do not want to ride a bus. Period.

This topic was actually brought up at lunch today and to a man, there were 9 of us at lunch, everyone said they would ride a train but not a bus.

These are people from BA, Sand Springs, Owasso, Bixby and Tulsa.

Fair or not there is a stigma attached to riding a bus.

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Originally posted by wavoka

The megabus idea is stupid and will fail.

People do not want to ride a bus. Period.

This topic was actually brought up at lunch today and to a man, there were 9 of us at lunch, everyone said they would ride a train but not a bus.

These are people from BA, Sand Springs, Owasso, Bixby and Tulsa.

Fair or not there is a stigma attached to riding a bus.

Bus ridership is way, way up...see for yourself (http://"http://www.tulsatransit.org/news-info/new-releases/?i=776"). Up 17% in one year in Tulsa. Two years ago I might have agreed with you, but I think the stigma disappeared along with $1/gallon gas. The real impediment now is having a system that is actually convenient to use. Hour long waits and a system that shuts down at sundown are the only thing preventing bus use from exploding.

CL, I agree with your assessment. In OKC there is a bus that runs from 33rd and Broadway extension in Edmond (there is a closed wal-mart there and commuters use the parking lot) that is a non-stop drive to downtown OKC. Demand has risen to the point there are now 2 busses... leave between 7 and 7:15 downtown by 7:45. Return trip leaves downtown at 5:30 getting to Edmond around 6 pm. I suspect the demand is even higher in the last couple of months.

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Originally posted by bokworker

CL, I agree with your assessment. In OKC there is a bus that runs from 33rd and Broadway extension in Edmond (there is a closed wal-mart there and commuters use the parking lot) that is a non-stop drive to downtown OKC. Demand has risen to the point there are now 2 busses... leave between 7 and 7:15 downtown by 7:45. Return trip leaves downtown at 5:30 getting to Edmond around 6 pm. I suspect the demand is even higher in the last couple of months.

TTA used to have an Express Bus which ran to Broken Arrow to downtown. That bus was packed.

Don't know if it's still part of the route system.

With $2.74 gasoline and the $4-6 day rates for downtown parking, the bus sounds like a bargain.

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Originally posted by Chicken Little

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Originally posted by wavoka

The megabus idea is stupid and will fail.

People do not want to ride a bus. Period.

This topic was actually brought up at lunch today and to a man, there were 9 of us at lunch, everyone said they would ride a train but not a bus.

These are people from BA, Sand Springs, Owasso, Bixby and Tulsa.

Fair or not there is a stigma attached to riding a bus.
Bus ridership is way, way up...see for yourself (http://"http://www.tulsatransit.org/news-info/new-releases/?i=776"). Up 17% in one year in Tulsa. Two years ago I might have agreed with you, but I think the stigma disappeared along with $1/gallon gas. The real impediment now is having a system that is actually convenient to use. Hour long waits and a system that shuts down at sundown are the only thing preventing bus use from exploding.

I agree/disagree with both of you. Ridership is up, but it doesn't mean the stigma is gone. The remaining stigma, plus the fact most bus routes seem drawn by the blind, will keep Tulsa Transit from making any major increases in the near future.

Increased usage of Tulsa's buses is great, and I'm glad to hear it. I don't believe our transit woes can be cured with buses however. Rail systems are faster, reduce smog, and most importantly remove traffic from roadways.

Just think, if you're not driving to work eveyday that's less wear and tear on the roads (less tax dollars spent on roads), less wear and tear on your car (less money spent on gas and maintenance), fewer chances to be in traffic accidents (lower helthcare cost, lower insurance premiums).

I haven't seen any data yet that proves it's NOT a good idea. That's what I'm looking for.

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Originally posted by sgrizzle

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Originally posted by Chicken Little

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Originally posted by wavoka

The megabus idea is stupid and will fail.

People do not want to ride a bus. Period.

This topic was actually brought up at lunch today and to a man, there were 9 of us at lunch, everyone said they would ride a train but not a bus.

These are people from BA, Sand Springs, Owasso, Bixby and Tulsa.

Fair or not there is a stigma attached to riding a bus.
Bus ridership is way, way up...see for yourself (http://"http://www.tulsatransit.org/news-info/new-releases/?i=776"). Up 17% in one year in Tulsa. Two years ago I might have agreed with you, but I think the stigma disappeared along with $1/gallon gas. The real impediment now is having a system that is actually convenient to use. Hour long waits and a system that shuts down at sundown are the only thing preventing bus use from exploding.

I agree/disagree with both of you. Ridership is up, but it doesn't mean the stigma is gone. The remaining stigma, plus the fact most bus routes seem drawn by the blind, will keep Tulsa Transit from making any major increases in the near future.

That's kinda how I see it.

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Originally posted by TheArtist

I think think a future light rail system should definitely be part of the consideration for Tulsas "street repair and maintenance" plan that the mayor is working on.

no, since its the BA that the light rail would relieve traffic off of, the state should chip in.

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Originally posted by inteller

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Originally posted by TheArtist

I think think a future light rail system should definitely be part of the consideration for Tulsas "street repair and maintenance" plan that the mayor is working on.

no, since its the BA that the light rail would relieve traffic off of, the state should chip in.

It should still be considered in an over all plan. Are we going to widen the BA or do rail? what areas do we designate as high density development nodes along this line with future rail in mind? Are we going to have rail in other parts of the city 20-50 years out? How do we budget and plan for that as part of our transportation costs? How do we encourage high density nodes (71st area) with our street structure, widening or not widening certain streets? Rail on west side of river from the River District (which will basically become downtown Jenks) to Downtown Tulsa, or widen riverside drive?

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Originally posted by sgrizzle

There is still some push for it. The plan is light rail or a move towards large buses/carpooling with dedicated lanes. Tulsa Transit took a megabus for a test drive on the Tulsa-BA route earlier in the year.

Was it specifically this megabus?

http://www.megabus.com/us/

Seems like somebody posted a suggestion about this once upon a time...... hmmm..... [:I]

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4497&SearchTerms=megabus

Actually, I think I recognize the one on the left as a proposed 20k capacity Major League Soccer stadium... that can magically transform itself into an 8k capacity minor league ballpark...

"transformers, more than meets the eye..." [:D]

I thought the city concluded that rail service would be way, way too expensive. Who would want to pay $10 each way to get from BA to Tulsa? Not enough people to fund the project.

In other news, Seattle opened up a new line. The "South Lake Union Trolley." I'd ride the SLUT for sure. Everyone enjoys riding the SLUT. Though, some people complain that the new SLUT will ruin the neighborhood.

SLUT.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/332081_slut18.html

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Originally posted by USRufnex

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Originally posted by sgrizzle

There is still some push for it. The plan is light rail or a move towards large buses/carpooling with dedicated lanes. Tulsa Transit took a megabus for a test drive on the Tulsa-BA route earlier in the year.

Was it specifically this megabus?

http://www.megabus.com/us/

Seems like somebody posted a suggestion about this once upon a time...... hmmm..... [:I]

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4497&SearchTerms=megabus

This bus:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/66/Big_bus_film.jpg/401px-Big_bus_film.jpg)

Bonus points to anyone who's seen this movie.

"Deploy the flags of many nations!"

Last week MTTA was awarded partial funding from the Federal Transit Administration for an Alternatives Analysis for the BA/DT Tulsa Corridor. Alternatives Analysis is the first step in the Federal process, if we are to recieve New Starts/Small Starts funding for a rail/fixed guideway project.

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Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I thought the city concluded that rail service would be way, way too expensive. Who would want to pay $10 each way to get from BA to Tulsa? Not enough people to fund the project.

In other news, Seattle opened up a new line. The "South Lake Union Trolley." I'd ride the SLUT for sure. Everyone enjoys riding the SLUT. Though, some people complain that the new SLUT will ruin the neighborhood.

SLUT.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/332081_slut18.html

Where did you get the amount of $10? The numbers I've seen are about the same as riding the bus, no where close to ten dollars.

This is why I want to see the reports the Mayor has been getting. If you just analyze a rail system as a stand alone project it seems very costly to build and maintain. BUT, when you factor in the ancillary benefits that cost goes way, way down.

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Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I thought the city concluded that rail service would be way, way too expensive. Who would want to pay $10 each way to get from BA to Tulsa? Not enough people to fund the project.

In other news, Seattle opened up a new line. The "South Lake Union Trolley." I'd ride the SLUT for sure. Everyone enjoys riding the SLUT. Though, some people complain that the new SLUT will ruin the neighborhood.

SLUT.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/332081_slut18.html

By the way the S.L.U.T. paragraph was pretty good!

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Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I thought the city concluded that rail service would be way, way too expensive. Who would want to pay $10 each way to get from BA to Tulsa? Not enough people to fund the project.

In other news, Seattle opened up a new line. The "South Lake Union Trolley." I'd ride the SLUT for sure. Everyone enjoys riding the SLUT. Though, some people complain that the new SLUT will ruin the neighborhood.

SLUT.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/332081_slut18.html

SLUT, funny. Would Tulsa's version be called "ASLUT"?

as far as your initial statement...there is absolutly NOTHING factual about it. Why spread patently untrue and unfounded rumors? I do not get that.

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Originally posted by Thinker

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Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I thought the city concluded that rail service would be way, way too expensive. Who would want to pay $10 each way to get from BA to Tulsa? Not enough people to fund the project.

In other news, Seattle opened up a new line. The "South Lake Union Trolley." I'd ride the SLUT for sure. Everyone enjoys riding the SLUT. Though, some people complain that the new SLUT will ruin the neighborhood.

SLUT.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/332081_slut18.html

By the way the S.L.U.T. paragraph was pretty good!

I want one of the shirts.

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Originally posted by Thinker

Increased usage of Tulsa's buses is great, and I'm glad to hear it. I don't believe our transit woes can be cured with buses however. Rail systems are faster, reduce smog, and most importantly remove traffic from roadways.

Actually, for this particular BA-Tulsa corridor study (http://"http://www.tulsatransit.org/media/files/ExecSummary%2DApril2007.pdf"), the bus option (12 miles in 22 minutes) is faster than the train option (14 miles in 31 minutes). Also, the proposed frequency of bus service during peak operation hours (every 40 minutes) is greater than the proposed train service frequency (every 72 minutes).

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Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I thought the city concluded that rail service would be way, way too expensive. Who would want to pay $10 each way to get from BA to Tulsa? Not enough people to fund the project.

What in the hell are you talking about? The "city" concluded no such thing. Stop spreading bulls**t rumors.

The "megabus" is called BRT (Bus Rapid Transit), and requires a dedicate lane of traffic to work.

"Light Rail" is a specific type of technology that was never proposed for any corridor. Commuter Rail was examined, favorably I might add. I believe MTTA received funds to do an Alternatives Analysis, for the BA Corridor which is the next step in the process. Call MTTA for a progress report.

If you read other threads here, you might find there is a ton of info on the current INCOG study for passenger rail in Tulsa.

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