The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow

I noticed no one posted this yet.
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=e5f4390f-284d-46eb-a8ac-3484313a993b&rss=701


Quiktrip uses a 10% ethanol/gas blend.   So, in short, you get worse gas mileage AND they pay less for gas.

Seems convenient for everyone.  Well, at least for some people.

Or you could say:

QT is reducing our dependence on foreign oil while aiding the economics of the American Midwest and reducing pollution.  And maybe this help from QT is what is all of a sudden pushing Tulsa's gas below the regional (and OKC's) average?

Not to mention, the facts about ethanol helping or hurting an engine at a 10% ratio are hotly debated.  Some think it helps, some thinks it hurts, and most think it doesnt matter.  I'm from Iowa - 10% ethanol is standard.  I've never had a problem with cars (1972 super beetle, 1984 volvo, 1991 buick, 1992 Corsica, 1974 Super beetle, 1996 Taurus... nor my parents cars including old MGs).

Scandalous! How dare they use alternative fuels! I want 100% foreign oil from Iran to burn in my gas guzzler.

Do you know the difference in making corn ethanol and corn moonshine?

Nothing.

If the revenu-ers found my still, I would use the "fuel for my tractor" defense.

Not to mention almost every station in Tulsa is doing this, not just QT. Plus QT is 10c lower or more than Phillips66, Shell, etc.

So we get basically the same gas mileage AND we pay less for gas.

I have no objection to ethanol in my car, but it strikes me as something they should tell you they are doing.  Seems a bit deceptive to sell us a blend of gasoline and ethanol when they advertise gasoline...  Has QuikTrip looked at the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, I wonder?

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Originally posted by Oil Capital

I have no objection to ethanol in my car, but it strikes me as something they should tell you they are doing.  Seems a bit deceptive to sell us a blend of gasoline and ethanol when they advertise gasoline...  Has QuikTrip looked at the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, I wonder?

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It says in the article they are working on labelling.

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Originally posted by sgrizzle



It says in the article they are working on labelling.

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Especially now that they got caught.

This is ridiculous.

Gas/ethanol blends are ridiculously common, especially in the Midwest. Nobody there complains it the "corn likker" is put into gasoline. In fact, it's encouraged.

The 10% ethanol blend is a major mistake that is costing all of us a small fortune.  Not only does it cause harm to some engines and reduce MPG for most, and use more energy to produce than it saves, the use of the nation's corn corps to produce ethanol has caused prices to soar for countless food products as corn supplies dwindle for food and feed.

I will continue to patronize stations that offer an ethanol-free product, no matter the cost difference.

One thing that people don't seem to know including kjrh, is that Gas stations are using the 10% ethanol gas because it is now required by law in most states!!! They use to use 10% MTBE but that has been frowned upon because of it's harmful effects on the enviroment.

list of states banning MTBE: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/mtbeban/table1.html

A few quotes from Wikipedia:
MTBE, as used in motor gasoline, is a fossil fuel. In the United States, it was produced in very large quantities (more than 200,000 barrels per day in the United States in 1999) when it was being used widely as a fuel additive there. Because of widespread releases of MTBE-containing gasoline from Underground Storage Tanks all over the US, various jurisdictions banned the use of MTBE and production was reduced. MTBE contamination in drinking water aquifers is a serious concern in many states (most famous cases are Lake Tahoe and Santa Monica). By late 2006, most American gasoline retailers had ceased using MTBE as an oxygenate, and accordingly, US production had declined.


The Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed in the House on April 21, 2005, did not include a provision for shielding MTBE manufacturers from water contamination lawsuits. The lack of MTBE liability protection is resulting in a switchover to the use of ethanol as a gasoline additive, which is in limited supply in April 2006. Some traders and consumer advocates are blaming this for an increase in gasoline prices.

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Originally posted by TulsaJayhawk

The 10% ethanol blend is a major mistake that is costing all of us a small fortune.  Not only does it cause harm to some engines and reduce MPG for most, the use of the nation's corn corps to produce ethanol has caused prices to soar for countless food products as corn supplies dwindle for food and feed.

I will continue to patronize stations that offer an ethanol-free product, no matter the cost difference.

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Good, then they'll quit filling use with corn oil fried, corn syrup diet. The majority of Corn grown in the U.S. is just making us fat. Now many it can help get our fat assets around.

What? The manual for my Sequoia plainly says to not use ethanol blends in it. Frickin great...I use QT gas almost exclusively.

Pretty sure my wife's Acura's handbook says the same thing.

Looks like I need to find a station that doesn't use a blend.

The only local store that doesn't sell ethanol with their gas is Kum and Go

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Originally posted by wavoka

What? The manual for my Sequoia plainly says to not use ethanol blends in it. Frickin great...I use QT gas almost exclusively.

Pretty sure my wife's Acura's handbook says the same thing.

Looks like I need to find a station that doesn't use a blend.

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I believe they are talking about E85, not E10.

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Originally posted by wavoka

What? The manual for my Sequoia plainly says to not use ethanol blends in it. Frickin great...I use QT gas almost exclusively.

Pretty sure my wife's Acura's handbook says the same thing.

Looks like I need to find a station that doesn't use a blend.

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“Toyota allows the use of oxygenate blended gasoline where the oxygenate content is up to 10% ethanol…Toyota recommends the use of cleaner burning gasoline and appropriately blended reformulated gasoline. These types of gasoline provide excellent vehicle performance, reduce vehicle emissions, and improve air quality.”

http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/energy/transportation/e10

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Originally posted by sgrizzle

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Originally posted by wavoka

What? The manual for my Sequoia plainly says to not use ethanol blends in it. Frickin great...I use QT gas almost exclusively.

Pretty sure my wife's Acura's handbook says the same thing.

Looks like I need to find a station that doesn't use a blend.

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I believe they are talking about E85, not E10.

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10% methanol added to the gasoline shouldn't harm any modern internal combustion engine.

E85 is a different matter entirely.

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Originally posted by wavoka

What? The manual for my Sequoia plainly says to not use ethanol blends in it. Frickin great...I use QT gas almost exclusively.

Pretty sure my wife's Acura's handbook says the same thing.

Looks like I need to find a station that doesn't use a blend.

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Acura
“You may use gasoline containing up to 10 percent ethanol by volume."

http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/energy/transportation/e10

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Originally posted by sgrizzle

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Originally posted by wavoka

What? The manual for my Sequoia plainly says to not use ethanol blends in it. Frickin great...I use QT gas almost exclusively.

Pretty sure my wife's Acura's handbook says the same thing.

Looks like I need to find a station that doesn't use a blend.

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I believe they are talking about E85, not E10.

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Could be since my Sequoia is a 2007, but the wife's Acura is a 2004 and E85 didn't even exist then did it?

Interesting. I didn't know most were blends. I was curious about my car since it's an RX8. Found this article surprising.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/09/15/rotary-engine-below-sulev-standard-on-ethanol/

Also as a point:  Most studies indicate Ethanol has a 33-50% energy production.  Only a handful of studies suggest it is a net loss of energy in its production.  Contrary to what Jayhawk indicated, it is probably NOT a net loser of energy.

That said, the rabid support for it is a bit offensive.  Corn is an intensive crop that competes with its many other uses.  Switchgrass and other alternatives can be used that would use fallow ground and are less intensive.

Sort of off topic, but I recently saw a gas station at 6th and Lewis (or maybe it was 6th and Utica) with a marquee that claimed their gas contained no 'ethynal'

Ethynal and Methanol are both bad for your car and for the environment.

Gasoline went up ten cents this morning and will probably go up another ten cents again tonight.

Well that's good!  It probably also had no KJHSJYG YIUG.  [}:)]

Doesn't QT get their gas from another company.

http://www.quiktrip.com/aboutqt/faqs.asp

Quick Trip got us with the dollar sandwiches!!!
Its in the food the Gas..and the ICE CUBES!

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There have recently been a number of questions raised about whether QuikTrip buys gasoline from Middle Eastern or South American countries. We do not purchase any crude oil or have any influence on the purchasing decisions made by the companies who own the refineries.

As an independent marketer, we do not operate any pipelines or terminals; we are strictly a retailer of quality motor fuels and convenience items to consumers in our markets.

All gasoline marketers in the United States get their gasoline from various terminals in their cities. This gasoline has been mixed in pipelines with gasoline from a number of refineries. Although we may purchase our gasoline from a specific refiner, the gasoline we actually pull out of the pipeline is really generic. Even retail outlets of major oil companies end up drawing their gasoline out of the same pipeline as everyone else.

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Surprisingly, they tell it like it is.  NO idea where their gas *really* comes from, such is the nature of the business.

That's great that they don't know where their gas comes from...   But that doesn't change the fact that they add 10% ethanol which does 2 things to help business:

1.  Cuts their price per gallon.
2.  Cuts your fuel economy.


And no, not just trying to bash on QT, but they should at least tell people so they can make up their own minds about whether they want to help subsidize ADM or big oil.

A far greater crisis:

The Freezoni can't hold a candle to the (still-mourned) Koolee.  This is the true QT scandal!

Unlike gasoline, which is fungible, frozen cola products have distinctive qualities and cheap substitutions should not be tolerated!  (This is the only time QT has ever let me down....although my mom hated it when they got rid of the simple sausage biscuit.  She wasn't a sausage pancake kind of gal.)

the E10 QT uses is crap.  I've had E10 in my car before, and this **** isnt it.  My car bogs down on take off now....

QTs E10 is ****.

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Originally posted by lsimmons

http://www.quiktrip.com/aboutqt/faqs.asp

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That QuikTrip FAQ confuses me.   In one answer, they explain how their gas is the same as everyone elses, that everyone draws the same gas from the same pipeline.

Then a few questions later, they say they only sell the finest gasoline and make sure no fuel related problems could ever arise from it.  Do they put the gasoline through any process after obtaining it from the refinery output?

They have a unique blend of additives.