Giant Roll of Duct Tape Sighted Downtown

[AMP]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Great Streets? Less Crime?    





Wow, that Vans Hamburgers is Claude's Hamburgers.  Pretty cool.....

http://www.tulsainsite.com/cgi-bin/detail2.cgi?cat0=Restaurants&cat1=Hamburgers&detail=Claudes_Hamburgers&imgnum=2

Dont get me started on the food. There is far more variety and selection today than there was when I was a kid. Let alone when my parents were growing up.

[AMP]

I believe there was another Vans Hamburgers downtown in Tulsa and another one at 15th and Harvard, where Ron's Hamburgers original location was for years.  

Wonder what happened to the Van's Hamburger folks?  Anyone remember eating their burgers?


15th and Harvard - Oh by the way the gasoline was 100% gasoline then and around 105-112 octane.  Factory built V-8 engines had up to 13 to one compression ratio which helped them devlop increased torque and horsepower.





On the right past the gas station you can see the Hamburger Joint.  You can read Hamburgers on the sign out front.  That is where Ron Baber of Ron's Hamburgers started from around 1976.




It was a dream come true for Ron Baber when he opened his tiny hamburger and chili restaurant 25 years ago.

Baber had worked 18 years for Crane Carrier when he checked out a Sunday newspaper ad to buy a hamburger stand on 15th Street just west of Harvard Avenue.

"I had built up $10,000 in a retirement plan, and it was enough to put a down payment on this little place," Baber said recently, sitting on one of the 10 stools in the original Ron's Hamburgers & Chili. "I always loved to cook and always wanted my own place. When other guys were buying Playboy, I was buying Gourmet."

He said he worked free at Al Saab's steakhouse to learn to cook commercially, and although he first dreamed of opening a steakhouse or barbecue place, he was happy to settle for hamburgers and chili.

Ron's quickly became a popular lunch spot for workers in all walks of life.

[cannon_fodder]

1) We better get the keys to a perfect arena.  Things like dented side panels are NOT acceptable.  Fix it or it is not complete.

2) The panels do not appear to be flat.  They seem to have a bit of a wave to them.  Particularly at the edges.  I wonder why and if that was in the specs.  If not, is it the engineers fault, the design, the installation?  

Is it permanent, will it go away?

If they were acceptable in that way, so be it.  But if not, please hold someone accountable.

3) The "runs" or "streaks" appear to be nothing more than dirt streaks.  Hopefully from construction, dirt gathered on the window sills and streaked down.  That should be minimized after construction... but like any large structure it will need to be washed on occasion.
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Overall I'm impressed with the way it looks.  I'm starting to see the flaws on the exterior, but don't want to be nit picky.  I still think the design itself is very interesting and the overall effect impressive.

[Michael71]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

It's a matter of taste, etc. etc.

What would you have finished it with, the same thing everyone else has, etc. etc.

It should have been Art Deco...

Art Devo wasn't the past when we embraced it, we shouldn't live in the past now etc. etc.

It's not smooth and there are streaks in it already...

It has flaws for sure, but it's still an impressive design, etc. etc.

Good architecture is rarely universally loved... blah blah blah.

But no one I know likes this...

Tulsa doesn't even need a big arena...

Downtown sucks, I hate Tulsa...

The world is all roses, I love you!
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I think I covered all the points.  We don't need to go over it again and again and again.

Couldn't we just say that this is when the "Art Ducto Movement" started?

[Michael71]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Hoss  I used to live on Elgin just north of 15th until I was 6, until the east leg of the IDL forced us out.

Hoss, do you have pictures of that area? There was a thread a while ago about Locust Park with pictures, I'd love to see more.

I *might* be able to see if my Mother still has some pictures she took with me.  The address at the time was 1430 S. Elgin.  The railroad track that crosses 15th Street at the bottom of the hill was in my backyard.

I'd love to see them too!!

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelWayne_71

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Hoss  I used to live on Elgin just north of 15th until I was 6, until the east leg of the IDL forced us out.

Hoss, do you have pictures of that area? There was a thread a while ago about Locust Park with pictures, I'd love to see more.

I *might* be able to see if my Mother still has some pictures she took with me.  The address at the time was 1430 S. Elgin.  The railroad track that crosses 15th Street at the bottom of the hill was in my backyard.

I'd love to see them too!!

I've found one sofar; picture really only shows me at about four sitting on the neigbor's porch at 1426 S Elgin (seen in the photo).  I asked some more yesterday; it would seem that I had aunts and uncles that went to Horace Mann? school.  I remember a brown/yellow brick building at the corner of 15th & Elgin, I believed it to be an apartment building.  I'll keep digging until I find more than 1.

[sgrizzle]

"Duct Tape" at Dawn (in case anyone wondered how the signs worked.

[waterboy]

Good pic Grizz. Looks like its ready for lift off! I love the "Art Ducto" label. Hope that sticks. I can see a lot of promotional possibilities with that one!

[breitee]

Seriously, is this the best that they can do?






Three more shows announced for BOK Center




By JENNIFER CHANCELLOR World Scene Writer
7/29/2008  12:26 PM
Last Modified: 7/29/2008  1:43 PM


As if the sold-out Eagles as an opening act wasn't enough, the BOK Center arena has announced three more shows and a partnership with Tahlequah-based Reasor's to sell tickets to upcoming events.

On Tuesday, three more upcoming shows were announced:

Dec. 10-14: Cirque du Soleil: Tickets on sale Aug. 18. Cirque du Soleil weaves its magic in Tulsa for the first time with Saltimbanco, the very first "classic" Cirque du Soleil touring show to be presented in arena. The Saltimbanco arena tour will perform 8 shows at the BOK Center.

Tickets range from $40 to $95 for adult and $32 to $76 for children (12 years old and under); 7:30 p.m. Dec. 10-11 at 7:30pm; 3:30 p.m. and 7:30 p.m. Dec. 12-13; and 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. Dec. 13-14. Tickets will go on sale for Cirque Club members only on Aug.11. To become a Cirque Club member, simply connect (free of charge) to tulsaworld.com/Cirque. General public ticket sales will start Aug. 18.

Jan. 3-4: Harlem Globetrotters, on sale date to be announced. The Globetrotters is touring for its 83rd consecutive season. Since their founding in 1926, the Globetrotters have played in 119 countries on 6 continents, entertaining over 128 million fans. Tickets will be available with a limited number of $102 courtside tickets, in addition to tickets at $51 and $25.

May 14-16: Joyce Meyer Ministries, on sale date to be announced. Joyce Meyer is one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers. A New York Times bestselling author, her books have helped millions of people find hope and restoration through Jesus Christ. For further information, please call (800) 727-9673 or log on to tulsaworld.com/JoyceMeyer. No registration is required.

Reasor's and Tickets.com, the BOK Center's ticketing service recently entered into the partnership, a press release from the BOK Center stated.

Reasor's ticket sales are located in all video departments. Locations without video departments offer tickets at the customer service desk.

"Reasor's wants to maintain its reputation as an innovator in providing convenience for our customers – both existing and prospective," said Jeff Reasor, company president and CEO.

Today marks the first day that customers will be able to buy BOK Center tickets at any of the 15 designated Reasor's locations across the area.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by breitee

Seriously, is this the best that they can do?






Three more shows announced for BOK Center




By JENNIFER CHANCELLOR World Scene Writer
7/29/2008  12:26 PM
Last Modified: 7/29/2008  1:43 PM


As if the sold-out Eagles as an opening act wasn't enough, the BOK Center arena has announced three more shows and a partnership with Tahlequah-based Reasor's to sell tickets to upcoming events.

On Tuesday, three more upcoming shows were announced:

Dec. 10-14: Cirque du Soleil: Tickets on sale Aug. 18. Cirque du Soleil weaves its magic in Tulsa for the first time with Saltimbanco, the very first "classic" Cirque du Soleil touring show to be presented in arena. The Saltimbanco arena tour will perform 8 shows at the BOK Center.

Tickets range from $40 to $95 for adult and $32 to $76 for children (12 years old and under); 7:30 p.m. Dec. 10-11 at 7:30pm; 3:30 p.m. and 7:30 p.m. Dec. 12-13; and 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. Dec. 13-14. Tickets will go on sale for Cirque Club members only on Aug.11. To become a Cirque Club member, simply connect (free of charge) to tulsaworld.com/Cirque. General public ticket sales will start Aug. 18.

Jan. 3-4: Harlem Globetrotters, on sale date to be announced. The Globetrotters is touring for its 83rd consecutive season. Since their founding in 1926, the Globetrotters have played in 119 countries on 6 continents, entertaining over 128 million fans. Tickets will be available with a limited number of $102 courtside tickets, in addition to tickets at $51 and $25.

May 14-16: Joyce Meyer Ministries, on sale date to be announced. Joyce Meyer is one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers. A New York Times bestselling author, her books have helped millions of people find hope and restoration through Jesus Christ. For further information, please call (800) 727-9673 or log on to tulsaworld.com/JoyceMeyer. No registration is required.

Reasor's and Tickets.com, the BOK Center's ticketing service recently entered into the partnership, a press release from the BOK Center stated.

Reasor's ticket sales are located in all video departments. Locations without video departments offer tickets at the customer service desk.

"Reasor's wants to maintain its reputation as an innovator in providing convenience for our customers – both existing and prospective," said Jeff Reasor, company president and CEO.

Today marks the first day that customers will be able to buy BOK Center tickets at any of the 15 designated Reasor's locations across the area.

You're just PO'd that it appears this arena is going to be successful.

Stay in Sand Springs if you hate it so much.

[MDepr2007]

Some should realize that every listing is not something that is only coming because of the arena. Many would already be coming to Tulsa and have , with some having been here every year.

The proposed ampitheatre would have sold 20,000 Eagles tickets vs. only being able to sell just over 14,000 in the iconic arena because of the setup []

[AMP]

"Art Ducto Movement"

I believe it began years ago with the Duct Tape . . .







Is this the proper atire for the grand opening night?  If Oz owner Leon Newton "Uncle Leo" were still alive, I would suspect he would arrive in one of these hand crafted Duct Tape beauties !

Red Carpet or Rolled out Duct Tape?  

Decisions, decisions.

[AMP]

Wonder if they could use multi color Duct Tape on the exterior of the building to celebrate Pride Week?

[sgrizzle]

Of the three new events, 2 and 3 are pretty meh but Cirque De Soleil gathers a pretty big draw. They have shows in 3-4 hotels in Vegas running year round at like $100/ticket.

[mrB]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

quote:Originally posted by mrB

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Dude, I never heard anyone else refer to it as a roll of Duct Tape.  Just stating what I thought it looked like, a giant roll of duct tape.

Hey AMP, maybe you should talk to BOK Arena booking and get this event in for next year.
AMP OUTLAW WINTER NATIOANLS INDOOR RACE SERIES

Or maybe you have and couldn't and that's your reasoning for being so AMP'd about the BOK's appearance!

Being the 4star poster you are, you did miss a few past threads, such as;  
BOK arena looks like a roll of cheap duct tape.
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10602

And don't worry MDepr2007, I'm not really trying to tell a poster [i.e AMP] what to do, other than scan previous topics before getting AMP'd!


The BOK Arena, it be okay!

I have not been on this forum for many months.  

I have done business with several SMG managed venues.  I actually prefer to produce events at privately owned venues.  Much less red tape and burecratic nonsense to deal with.  Besides the fact that the costs are much less and one can provide a much lower ticket price with the same quality of entertainment.  

Several other production companies including Live Nation, Clear Channel, SRO have prouduced motorcycle events at the Lazy E Arena and other high-rent facilities in Oklahoma. Some successfull and others not so successful.  One that offered a $30,000 purse and had a budget of over $50,000 did not sell many tickets, around 250 total, and was produced as recently as last fall.  

One needs to know the market and what the ticket buyers and participants budgets are for multiple events.  A one time event may have the luxury of commanding a higher ticket price and be held in a five star facility.  I and many others in Oklahoma have discovered that a lower cost and less fancy facility works better than the overpriced and over glamous buildings for many motorcycle folks.  Not always the case such as with annual single events, but with a series and ongoing events the lower costs the better for the profit side of the equations.  

Our entire budget for one of out Indoor races is around $3,000 total for each event.  That would not even cover hauling in dirt at the BOK Center.  

I have produced AMA Pro-AM Arenacross races at the Myriad, an SMG managed building in Oklahoma City, Claremore Expo Center an SMG managed building in Claremore and at a few others.  The OKC Myriad management group from SMG met with us and informed us that after we had a contract that we were not allowed to place more than 10 inches of dirt on the floor.  They insisted the Floor had a load limit of 250 lbs per foot.  

Crazy rules and retulations such as curfew hours at State Fair Speedway in OKC, noise limits and additional rent for running over time when producing races is a deal breaker for me.  I have produced several events at SFS in OKC, and was constantly being told by the Fair Board what, where, why and when we could do what we needed to do.  Others may enjoy being told by folks that have no clue about a sport on how to produce it, I have no desire to work under those conditions.  Besides I produce most of my events because I like to, to me they are more of a big party of friends getting together than a business deal.  I don't do it just for the money.  

Mike Kidd rented the Tulsa Civic Center for a BooKoo Arenacross couple of years back. It cost him $3,500 to re-sticker the Hocky Rink after they  took out the dirt they brought in to build the track.  

Live Nation does have an AMA Arenacross on their schedule in February of 2009 at the BOK Center. Arenacross races are those held in smaller venues that cannot accomodate a Supercross size track.   Based on other Arenacross events I and others have produced in Tulsa, it may sell some tickets, but I doubt if it will sell out.  Houston of Honda's MX team Semi was on the highway this afternoon and they drove past the arena when they turned off of 412 onto hwy 75.  

Several of us including many regional producers of events asked the design team questions regarding the floor size, load limits, cargo door size, loading dock capabilities and more.  Don't remember them ever sending a questionaire regarding the requirements of producers of ongoing and annual events held in Oklahoma.

It is a shame the designers did not make the floor space large enough to accomodate a 1/4 mile oval track, and connect an 8  acre exhibition hall with adjoining doors.  Could of been a great place for Super Cross, 1/4 mile Midget races and much more.  Instead it is similar to the Myriad, a hockey rink with 20,000 seats.

Your words AMP - I have not been on this forum for many months. That's the point! You've got 877 posts to your credit or dis-credit, but neglected to use that experience and wisdom to see what had beed discussed and cussed since you been gone!

The BOK is built, like it's style or not! Go there for an event or not! Comment on upcoming events or not!

This thread went from your duct tape comment to race riots to Ron's hamburgers back to duct tape. Any one of which could be a thread of it's own, as probably already has been.

Discussions on this Forum would be more productive if the subject of the thread were honored!

As pointed out, you have been around Tulsa for a long time. Your memories of our city's history are much appreciated. But let's ride a new horse. The ole grey [duct tape] mare is dead!