PLANiTULSA - Get Involved and Think Big!

[waterboy]

Which is why it is open to the public for input. All of the public, all over town and even out of town visitors.

These people on the committees are not there to impose their ideas and lifestyles on others but to assemble, organize and listen.  

Inteller, your remarks are indefensible. Your hatred for midtown pretty much blows any credibility you had on the subject.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

from what I know about this process and what I know about organizations in general, one's role is not just to "cry foul" but to actually help fix the problem....

as far as I can tell, bates has not done **** except complain about this process...  i'm sure he could really make a positive impact, if he wanted to...

with "partners" like this, does planiTulsa need enemies?

Bates has a vested interest in the failure of this project. It's a Democratic mayor behind it. If he can make it fail and hurt the mayor then it helps his ends as a local Republican party official.

When do we get the police chief that those of us who attended those Mayor meetings requested.

What exactly are you looking for? We have a new (old) police chief that seems to have healed a lot of the wounds in the police department and the crime rate is way, way down this year.

Healed? No their voice just isn't heard.
"Crime way down?  7 % reduction overall from last year. Thats not saying much when looked at individual.

Bring on that King Davis lady, she makes fine decisions for what we really want [:O]

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Which is why it is open to the public for input. All of the public, all over town and even out of town visitors.

These people on the committees are not there to impose their ideas and lifestyles on others but to assemble, organize and listen.  

Inteller, your remarks are indefensible. Your hatred for midtown pretty much blows any credibility you had on the subject.

How'd those "2025" input meetings turn out in the end for ya ?

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


no, in this case a committee that will be creating a plan for the entire geography of Tulsa should have all of that geography represented.  And it doesn't.  The makeup of the body should fir the criteria.  It has a bunch of people from midtown with latent hatred for anything north of 244 and south of 44.  It even has people WHO DON'T LIVE IN TULSA advising people for a plan about Tulsa.  Based on that strategy, we should all be able to get on commitess in OKC.

1) The committee isn't creating the plan.
2) Your "latent hatred" statement is total crap unless you've personally interviewed everyone on the committee.
3) Again, the person(s) who doesn't live in Tulsa is likely the director of a Tulsa-based company or organization that was considered important to the process.

[booWorld]

I quickly counted 34 red "A"s on the map.

At a quick glance, it appears to me that approximately 12 of the 34 As are in Council District 9.

Approximately 6 As are in District 1.

Approximately 5 As are in District 8.

Approximately 5 As are in District 4.

Districts 2, 5, 6, and 7 appear to have one A each.  

One A is in Sand Springs.

Another A is in Broken Arrow.

I don't see any As in District 3.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by booWorld

I quickly counted 34 red "A"s on the map.

At a quick glance, it appears to me that approximately 12 of the 34 As are in Council District 9.

Approximately 6 As are in District 1.

Approximately 5 As are in District 8.

Approximately 5 As are in District 4.

Districts 2, 5, 6, and 7 appear to have one A each.  

One A is in Sand Springs.

Another A is in Broken Arrow.

I don't see any As in District 3.

With all theses A's around no wonder the "Girls Gone Wild" bus is around eh.........
[}:)]

Sorry...wrong thread. my bad
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[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by inteller


no, in this case a committee that will be creating a plan for the entire geography of Tulsa should have all of that geography represented.  And it doesn't.  The makeup of the body should fir the criteria.  It has a bunch of people from midtown with latent hatred for anything north of 244 and south of 44.  It even has people WHO DON'T LIVE IN TULSA advising people for a plan about Tulsa.  Based on that strategy, we should all be able to get on commitess in OKC.

1) The committee isn't creating the plan.
2) Your "latent hatred" statement is total crap unless you've personally interviewed everyone on the committee.
3) Again, the person(s) who doesn't live in Tulsa is likely the director of a Tulsa-based company or organization that was considered important to the process.

 if they are important to the process then whydont they believe enough in tulsa to live here?  and what makes them more important than someone who owns a company AND lives in Tulsa.

Sham throughout.  I sent an email to that planner email at city of tulsa.  They didn't even bother to send an FU reply....just business as usual.

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by Rico


With all theses A's around no wonder the "Girls Gone Wild" bus is around eh.........
[}:)]

Sorry...wrong thread. my bad
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Wrong thread?  Your confusion is understandable.  The category is "Development" in Tulsa, after all.

[PonderInc]

quote:Originally posted by inteller
...a committee that will be creating a plan for the entire geography of Tulsa should have all of that geography represented.

The people who will be CREATING THE PLAN are the thousands of Tulsans who will show up at community workshops throughout Tulsa and get invovled. The main role of the "partners/advisors committee" is to bring as many people as possible from all walks of life (and all geographic regions) to the table and encourage them to get involved...and then hold the plan accountable to the community's vision!

The general public--at least those who care enough about Tulsa to participate--will create the plan.  Unless you talk them out of participating.  Which is the sad joke of all this.  Shoveling uninformed bile on a process does not help reach a broader audience.  It only turns people off.

Show up with an open mind to the TulsaNow event on Tues, July 15.  You will be amazed at how cool this thing is going to be.  Frego, et al know what they're doing. This consulting firm was chosen not only for its experience and talent, but because they're the best at getting community involvement and participation.  If you care about Tulsa and come to this event to  learn about the process, I guarantee you'll want to get involved.

Of course, not everyone will choose to  participate.  There are some who will be content to sit at home alone on their couch and crap on the process via this forum. And then complain that they weren't included in the plan.

Probably for the best.

[PonderInc]

Kudos to Eric Gomez from Dist 4, who forwarded the TulsaNow/PLANiTULSA invitation to his email distribution list!  TulsaNow sent the invitation to all the councilors and encouraged them to forward it to their constituents.  Hope to see folks from all nine districts at the event, so they can learn more about Tulsa's comprehensive plan update...and how they can get involved!

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Of course, not everyone will choose to  participate.

True!  Very few Tulsans will choose to participate in the process.  Most are satisfied with the way things are now (or, if not, then they are not motivated enough to make any decisions about changing anything).  

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There are some who will be content to sit at home alone on their couch and crap on the process via this forum.

Also true!  But their numbers will be so few that there is no need to worry about them.  Their negative opinions don't really matter in the bigger picture.  They've been invited to participate, but they will decline.

They will exclude themselves intentionally.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by inteller


no, in this case a committee that will be creating a plan for the entire geography of Tulsa should have all of that geography represented.  And it doesn't.  The makeup of the body should fir the criteria.  It has a bunch of people from midtown with latent hatred for anything north of 244 and south of 44.  It even has people WHO DON'T LIVE IN TULSA advising people for a plan about Tulsa.  Based on that strategy, we should all be able to get on commitess in OKC.

1) The committee isn't creating the plan.
2) Your "latent hatred" statement is total crap unless you've personally interviewed everyone on the committee.
3) Again, the person(s) who doesn't live in Tulsa is likely the director of a Tulsa-based company or organization that was considered important to the process.

Who decided that? Was it some back room bureaucrat? It certainly wasn't decided by the people. The people of Tulsa consider it important to the process that people who serve live in Tulsa as demonstrated by the vote to require that all members of Authorites, Boards, & Commissions representing the city of Tulsa be residents of the city as an amendment to our charter just a few years back. Do you know that avoiding this situation in the comprehensive plan update was a major reason for the charter change being placed on the ballot and it's passage? That is the closest thing to a referendum the public has had on this process, and the public will has been ignored right from the start. The fact that Kathy Taylor pulled yet another Machiavellian maneuver and set this committee up in way to avoid that pesky provision of our charter only serves as yet another example of how this process is continuing to be perverted. The public may be along for the ride, but they ain't behind the steering wheel.