Progressive Democrat Manley, against Sullivan

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by two lumps of shugh
Oliver is welcome to borrow as many planks as she wants from Manley's platform, in order to reflect the 44% of the Oklahoma 1st District Democrats who agree with Manley's policy positions. If this race succeeds in persuading the nominee to move to the Left in her policy positions, it will have been worth the effort.

I spoke with her last night about this very topic. It was a very good conversation.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Sure, I'll show up with my accountant and reams of research once every else does.  You first Mr. 66.

Dude, you're the one who brought it up.

You're the one who made this dubious claim: "Oklahoma Republicans are the absolute bottom of the barrel and deserve to lose every office. They are wildly corrupt hayseeds in cheap suits bragging about their Christianity while they steal from working people."

You've made no attempt to back this up, despite Conan challenging you to do so. Conan and I differ somewhat politically, but we respect each other because we explain our views and come to agreements surprisingly often because we use logic more than emotional partisanship.

Time for you to do the same.

"Bottom of the barrel" in describing state Republicans is shallow, especially when Democrats in Oklahoma have been repeatedly busted for corruption.

Sure, a lot of Republicans brag about Christianity. But when the state GOP keeps coming up with tax cuts, how do they "steal" from working people?

I'm generally on your side in voting preferences. But when you go off half-cocked with opinions that don't square with facts, you're going to have your judgment questioned.

This is a country where you have free speech. But free speech doesn't mean you can spout off all you want and hide without explaining your reasoning. This is the free flow of ideas, and let the public defend or support them.

[Hometown]

No.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Taylor caves on the big stuff and goes for the easy kill.  She also lacks character.

Her one positive for me was the day she flew up to Washington and marched into FEMA to ask for money for Tulsa.  

In my next life when I have time to spare I'll give you all the detail you want.  Meanwhile I'll treat this like a casual conversation, like I always have.

She didn't back down on OneTech, didn't back down on the ballpark.  She raised essential services fees (water bill increases) to keep up with needed expenditures.

She also has driven hard on the arena to get costs in line best as was possible.  Instead of paying lip service to the streets problem, she put together a committee to study the problem and start doing something about it.

Only questionable "caving in" I've seen is the $7.1mm settlement w/ BOK on Great Plains.  Not knowing the inside information on this, it might well have been the most expedient and least expensive route to go.  That took a good amount of courage to do it, if it was the right thing to do.  I use John Eagleton for my city bull**** barometer.  He didn't have a problem with the settlement, so there's something to it.

She walked into a cluster-**** of new construction and crumbling infrastructure.  She's been a good cheerleader for Tulsa, and she makes things happen.

I'll happily consider any issue you think she's backed down from, I sure haven't seen it.

[Hometown]

I live in North Tulsa.  Chief of Police.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I live in North Tulsa.  Chief of Police.

She didn't back down on that at all on that one and got exactly what she wanted.  She refused to buckle to the racism calls of Turner and Henderson.  She hired who she wanted to and in the process made him an at-will employee over much protest from all corners of the city.

[Hometown]

Wasn't there an order from a Federal Judge somewhere along the way, and promises made in the campaign that were not fulfilled?  Wasn't there an opportunity to make a statement about a change in the way business is done in Tulsa?

She will also go down as the mayor that started the demise of a major public investment -- Civic Center.  I care about architecture and historic preservation but this pales by comparison to my first point.

And my earlier point about Republicans stealing from working people was grounded in my belief that Republican tax policy has favored the rich at the expense of working people.  Especially since the election of President ... well, you know who.

But she is a Democrat and so if she is my party's candidate in the future, I will cast my vote for her.  And I've already lauded her for knowing how to win an election.

I would like to be excited about someone without feeling like I was settling for second rate.  Tulsa deserves first rate.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I cast my vote for Oliver without a lot of enthusiasm.  She looks like she has the best shot at defeating Sullivan.  And she reminds me of Kathy Taylor.  I'm also not at all crazy about Taylor but say what you will, Taylor does know how to win an election.  Sullivan is the devil himself (or at least wants to be) so Ms. Oliver would certainly be an improvement and she looks to have the connections to win.

I have noticed this past year that I am going to have trouble supporting candidates younger than the Baby Boom.  I'll make an exception for Obama and Oliver.  I'm an ageist.  I believe older people are superior to younger people and experience trumps inexperience.  Baby Boomers are a long ways away from giving up the ghost.

What we are all hoping for this year is that the revulsion with Bush and the Republican party will drive people like Sullivan from office.

Anyway, after three years of observation I've decided that there is only one really first rate Democrat in Oklahoma.  Dan Boren.  That man can go places.

Oklahoma Republicans are the absolute bottom of the barrel and deserve to lose every office.  They are wildly corrupt hayseeds in cheap suits bragging about their Christianity while they steal from working people.  

Interesting factoid, I figured I'd look up Sully and Boren on govtrack.  Boren has co-sponsored just about everyone of Sully's bills.

Here's a list of Boren's bills introduced this session, some of this stuff is so mundane it makes one scratch their head:

Status Bill
Introduced
Feb 27, 2008 H.R. 5502: To amend Public Law 106-206 to direct the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture to require annual permits and assess annual fees for commercial filming activities on Federal land for film crews of 5 persons or fewer.
Introduced
Dec 13, 2007 H.R. 4544: Code Talkers Recognition Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 30, 2007 H.R. 3994: Department of the Interior Tribal Self-Governance Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 15, 2007 H.R. 3826: To amend the State Department Basic Authorities Act of 1956 to increase the maximum amount of an award available under the Department of State rewards program for information leading to the capture of Osama bin Laden.
Introduced
Sep 18, 2007 H.R. 3570: Fountainhead Property Land Transfer Act
Introduced
Aug 3, 2007 H.R. 3380: To amend title 4, United States Code, to prescribe that members of the Armed Forces and veterans out of uniform may render the military salute during hoisting, lowering, or passing of flag.
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007 H.R. 3098: To amend title 49, United States Code, to provide certain exemptions to drivers of intrastate commercial motor vehicles engaged in agricultural purposes.
Introduced
Jul 17, 2007 H.R. 3060: Colorectal Cancer Screening and Detection Coverage Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 11, 2007 H.R. 2993: Genuine American Flag Act
Passed House
Mar 31, 2008 7:06 PM H.R. 2675: HALE Scouts Act
Introduced
May 7, 2007 H.R. 2183: Commonsense Consumption Act of 2007
Enacted
Aug 9, 2007 H.R. 2127: To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 408 West 6th Street in Chelsea, Oklahoma, as the "Clem Rogers McSpadden Post Office Building".
Introduced
Apr 17, 2007 H.R. 1875: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to permanently extend the Indian employment credit and the depreciation rules for property used predominantly within an Indian reservation.
Introduced
Mar 29, 2007 H.R. 1757: To adjust the weight limits of commercial motor vehicles.
Enacted
Jun 18, 2007 H.R. 1676: Native American Home Ownership Opportunity Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 12, 2007 H.R. 989: Innocent Sellers Fairness Act
Introduced
Jan 22, 2007 H.R. 602: To amend section 119 of title 17, United States Code, to allow the secondary transmission to any subscriber in the State of Oklahoma of primary transmissions of local network stations in that State.
Introduced
Jan 5, 2007 H.R. 269: Soldiers Targeted by Offensive Profiteering Act of 2007 (STOP Act)
Introduced
Dec 11, 2007 H.J.Res. 68: To acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples on behalf of the United States.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?tab=bills&id=400645

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400392

Draw your own conclusions on this pair, but here's the facts.

[Double A]

The only way Georgetown Georgiana will be going back to D.C. is on her own dime as a private citizen.

[RecycleMichael]

Your candidate lost. Get over it.