Should you vote Republican or Democrat?

[Ed W]

Mine was 96% Democratic.

But I don't care who you choose to vote for.  Just remember - it's YOUR country and YOUR vote is YOUR voice in how the country is run.

I don't think any of the regulars here could be accused of apathy when it comes to politics, but I know there a quite a few lurkers who may decide to sit out this election.  Please don't do that!

[cannon_fodder]

Your Vote Score: 48% Republican, 52% Democrat

You are truly an independent voter, and you don't fit well with either party.
Maybe you should choose one issue to vote on - or look into third parties!

  1. People have a right to unrestricted gun ownership.
         * Agree ("unrestricted"
is too absolute to strongly agree)

  2. Abortion should be illegal in all cases.
         * Agree (absolute language again)

  3. Drugs, including marijuana, should be illegal.
         * Disagree (I'm OK with heroine being illegal...)

  4. Taxes should be lowered for all income brackets.
         * Agree (not strong because we still need to pay our bills, need less spending to lower all taxes)

  5. Marriage is only for a man and a woman. Gay people should not be allowed to get married.
         * Disagree (disagree not strong  because I don't care if you call it "marriage" or recognize a legal union)

  6. Social security should be replaced with private accounts.
         * Agree (has to be done right or it will be worse than it currently is)

  7. Stem cell research is unethical.
         * Strongly disagree (the research is not unethical, perhaps the method of getting new cells is but not always)

  8. We need to stay the course in Iraq. Pulling out is not an option.
         * Agree (it is an option, but not preferred)

  9. Parents should be able to choose between competing schools for their kids with vouchers.
         * Not Sure (I've seen too many schools in Tulsa that are Religious schools that also teach other subjects.  "American History for Christians" or "Biology for the Christian Student" are just a scary textbooks.  more so when you leaf through them [did you know Ben Franklin was a good Christian man?])

 10. Oil companies should be left alone to run their businesses as they choose.
         * Agree (I'm OK with pollution control and other regulations, so not strong)
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jamesrage -

McCain and Obama are, in fact, the only candidates running for president in OKLAHOMA.  we will (again) be the only state in the nation with only 2 choices.   Yay for Democracy (funny how those that are in power can agree on anything if it serves the purpose of retaining their power).

Look at the results of this survey.  MOST people are not solid on one side or the other.  But we have two choices.  Just the honest possibility of another choice can keep the parties in line and from pandering to the extremes.

A Federal lawsuit has been filed against the Oklahoma law.  


10 reasons why Oklahoma's Ballot Access laws are broken:

1 . Oklahoma was the ONLY state limited to just
two choices for president in 2004 and will be again in 2008.

2 . HALF of Oklahoma's state legislative races
were unopposed in the 2006 general
election.

3 . Oklahoma's ballot access law for third
parties is the MOST RESTRICTIVE in the nation:
requiring over 73,000 signatures to form a
party in 2006 and nearly 50,000 signatures for
2008. 4. This was TEN TIMES the recent per
capita requirement in Texas, Missouri, and New
Mexico.

4 . Oklahoma is one of only FIVE states that
do NOT allow write-ins.

5 . According to a recent Ballot Access News
article, Oklahoma is also the most restrictive for Independent presidential candidates.

6 . The Oklahoma legislature has demonstrated
it will ignore reforming our restrictive ballot
access laws, with four reform billsb introduced
since 1999, all denied even a committee hearing.

7 . The Oklahoma Supreme Court refused to
hear an appeal this year on a ballot access case, even though Oklahoma's Constitution says, "All elections shall be free and equal.c"

8 . The Ballot Access Reform initiative petition
would return the number of signatures required
to form a new political party to 5000, the
requirement that existed from 1924 to 1974. This
would make Oklahoma the 30th state requiring
5000 signatures or less this year for new parties or independent presidential candidates. It would also make it easier for a new political party to demonstrate support and stay on the ballot.

9 . During the 50 years that the 5000
signature requirement was in place, only four
parties, including the Republican and Democratic
Parties, were on any one ballot.

10 . OKLAHOMANS ARE READY for
increased voter choice. Oklahoma Democrats
chose from nine presidential candidates in 2004
and both parties will have nearly that many
choices in 2008. The 2 favored parties can have multiple choices, just not when it decides actual offices.

http://www.okvoterchoice.org/

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

So, are you gonna give the CONSERVATIVE MEDIA a pass there, james?

http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

"The fact that conservatives howl so much louder and more effectively than liberals is one significant reason that big media is always on its guard for "liberal" bias but gives conservative bias a free pass."

I know the media has a liberal bias.You can tell what their bias is by the stories they refuse to air  and the ones they do air.Fox is no better.They do the same stories as everyone else does,their talking heads may have a conservative slant but that doesn't mean the news Fox as a whole reports is conservative.

BTW what does this have to do with the topic of the thread?  

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

So, are you gonna give the CONSERVATIVE MEDIA a pass there, james?

http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

"The fact that conservatives howl so much louder and more effectively than liberals is one significant reason that big media is always on its guard for "liberal" bias but gives conservative bias a free pass."

I know the media has a liberal bias.You can tell what their bias is by the stories they refuse to air  and the ones they do air.Fox is no better.They do the same stories as everyone else does,their talking heads may have a conservative slant but that doesn't mean the news Fox as a whole reports is conservative.

BTW what does this have to do with the topic of the thread?  

Dude, you're the one who brought it up.

You said, "Contrary to what the liberals media says McCain and Obama are not the only ones running for president."

Rufnex answered.

Are you getting so addled that you can't even follow the threads that you created?

[Crash Daily]

Your Vote Score: 87% Republican, 13% Democrat
You fit well with the Republican party, and you should almost definitely vote Republican this election.
In fact, you're so strongly Republican, a political career (or at least some activism )may be in your future.

Quote by Hitler/Goebbels (Quoted by Hitler/Goebbels, used by Democrats in all areas): "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Now, the truth is completely different from what has been getting spewed from the haters, from day one of Fox News' existence.

Eat it!! [}:)]
http://www.cmpa.com/releases/07_12_21_Election_Study.pdf

These results are from CMPA's 2008 ElectionNewsWatch Project. They are based on a scientific content analysis of all 481 election news stories (15 hours 40 minutes of airtime) that aired on the flagship evening news shows on ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX (the first 30 minutes of "Special Report with Brit Hume") from October 1 through December 15, 2007.

...

Who's Fair and Balanced?: Fox News Channel's coverage was more balanced toward both parties than the broadcast networks were. On FOX, evaluations of all Democratic candidates combined were split almost evenly – 51% positive vs. 49% negative, as were all evaluations of GOP candidates – 49% positive vs. 51% negative, producing a perfectly balanced 50-50 split for all candidates of both parties.

On the three broadcast networks, opinion on Democratic candidates split 47% positive vs. 53% negative, while evaluations of Republicans were more negative – 40% positive vs. 60% negative. For both parties combined, network evaluations were almost 3 to 2 negative in tone, i.e. 41% positive vs. 59% negative.
Who, you're probably asking, are the CMPA?  Glad you asked:

The Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) is a nonpartisan research and educational organization which conducts scientific studies of the news and entertainment media. CMPA election studies have played a major role in the ongoing debate over improving the election process. Our continuing analysis and tabulation of late night political jokes provides a lighter look at major news makers. CMPA is one of the few groups to study the important role the media plays in communicating information about health risks and scientific issues.

Since its formation in 1985, CMPA has emerged as a unique institution that bridges the gap between academic research and the broader domains of media and public policy. Founded by Drs. Robert and Linda Lichter, CMPA has become an acknowledged source of expertise in media analysis.

The Center's goal is to provide an empirical basis for ongoing debates over media fairness and impact through well-documented, timely, and readable studies of media content. CMPA's bi-monthly newsletter, Media Monitor, is a prime example of these analyses. Our scientific approach sets us apart from self appointed media "watchdog" groups, while our timeliness and outreach distinguishes us from traditional academic researchers.


And all of this when NBC reporter Lee Cowan goes on the Air and says he is PRO Obama because he likes the guys Candor.... Then Brian Williams sticks up for the reporter and says he was very brave for doing that...  Looks as if objective / Agenda Reporting is accepted at NBC for NEWS, NOT just objective Opinion shows...

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

Your Vote Score: 87% Republican, 13% Democrat
You fit well with the Republican party, and you should almost definitely vote Republican this election.
In fact, you're so strongly Republican, a political career (or at least some activism )may be in your future.

Quote by Hitler/Goebbels (Quoted by Hitler/Goebbels, used by Democrats in all areas): "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Now, the truth is completely different from what has been getting spewed from the haters, from day one of Fox News' existence.

Eat it!! [}:)]
http://www.cmpa.com/releases/07_12_21_Election_Study.pdf

These results are from CMPA's 2008 ElectionNewsWatch Project. They are based on a scientific content analysis of all 481 election news stories (15 hours 40 minutes of airtime) that aired on the flagship evening news shows on ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX (the first 30 minutes of "Special Report with Brit Hume") from October 1 through December 15, 2007.

...

Who's Fair and Balanced?: Fox News Channel's coverage was more balanced toward both parties than the broadcast networks were. On FOX, evaluations of all Democratic candidates combined were split almost evenly – 51% positive vs. 49% negative, as were all evaluations of GOP candidates – 49% positive vs. 51% negative, producing a perfectly balanced 50-50 split for all candidates of both parties.

On the three broadcast networks, opinion on Democratic candidates split 47% positive vs. 53% negative, while evaluations of Republicans were more negative – 40% positive vs. 60% negative. For both parties combined, network evaluations were almost 3 to 2 negative in tone, i.e. 41% positive vs. 59% negative.
Who, you're probably asking, are the CMPA?  Glad you asked:

The Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) is a nonpartisan research and educational organization which conducts scientific studies of the news and entertainment media. CMPA election studies have played a major role in the ongoing debate over improving the election process. Our continuing analysis and tabulation of late night political jokes provides a lighter look at major news makers. CMPA is one of the few groups to study the important role the media plays in communicating information about health risks and scientific issues.

Since its formation in 1985, CMPA has emerged as a unique institution that bridges the gap between academic research and the broader domains of media and public policy. Founded by Drs. Robert and Linda Lichter, CMPA has become an acknowledged source of expertise in media analysis.

The Center's goal is to provide an empirical basis for ongoing debates over media fairness and impact through well-documented, timely, and readable studies of media content. CMPA's bi-monthly newsletter, Media Monitor, is a prime example of these analyses. Our scientific approach sets us apart from self appointed media "watchdog" groups, while our timeliness and outreach distinguishes us from traditional academic researchers.


And all of this when NBC reporter Lee Cowan goes on the Air and says he is PRO Obama because he likes the guys Candor.... Then Brian Williams sticks up for the reporter and says he was very brave for doing that...  Looks as if objective / Agenda Reporting is accepted at NBC for NEWS, NOT just objective Opinion shows...

Ha..Fox News, also known as White House talking points shout box.

http://steveyoungonpolitics.com/scott-mcclellan-white-house-fed-fox-news-talking-points-right-wing-talk-show-hosts-who-were-invited-to-the-white-house-for-a-private-meeting-with-president-bush-just-prior-to-the-2006-election-are/

[Crash Daily]

That's nothing. Every news outlet used to accept talking points and Fox will accept them from any President or candidate. The mainstream media will only accept them from Liberals. Liberal Presidents and candidates ignore FOX, so it's a moot point, much like the Liberal thought process.

There were college research studies out long before this one, showing that although fox leans SLIGHTLY to the right, they are far and away more balanced than any other mainstream or cable news organization. The others are so far to the left that it just seems that FOX is far to the right. That just shows how anti freedom of choice and expression you left wingnut, airbags are. You want to shut any voice down, that doesn't follow your train of thought, oh..., in the name of "open mindedness". You people are a caricature if what it is to be a lying cheating, all is expectable behavior, in the name of getting my way, HYPOCRITES!

I know your gig. You use examples like O'Reilly, an OPINION journalist, to make your point. You know he's an OPINION JOURNALIST. The news...., you know the part where FOX stops expressing any personal opinions and all other main stream stations and news papers do not...., that's what I'm talking about. Like Slick Willy didn't hand out talking points. SURE. You know better or you're an obstinately blind idiot. There's no 3rd option, so which is it?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

That's nothing. Every news outlet used to accept talking points and Fox will accept them from any President or candidate. The mainstream media will only accept them from Liberals. Liberal Presidents and candidates ignore FOX, so it's a moot point, much like the Liberal thought process.

There were college research studies out long before this one, showing that although fox leans SLIGHTLY to the right, they are far and away more balanced than any other mainstream or cable news organization. The others are so far to the left that it just seems that FOX is far to the right. That just shows how anti freedom of choice and expression you left wingnut, airbags are. You want to shut any voice down, that doesn't follow your train of thought, oh..., in the name of "open mindedness". You people are a caricature if what it is to be a lying cheating, all is expectable behavior, in the name of getting my way, HYPOCRITES!

I know your gig. You use examples like O'Reilly, an OPINION journalist, to make your point. You know he's an OPINION JOURNALIST. The news...., you know the part where FOX stops expressing any personal opinions and all other main stream stations and news papers do not...., that's what I'm talking about. Like Slick Willy didn't hand out talking points. SURE. You know better or you're an obstinately blind idiot. There's no 3rd option, so which is it?

Sure we all know he's an opinion journalist.  The problem is, he doesn't and half of his viewership or more doesn't.  He passes himself off as an independent when he's far from it.

You want grape or cherry?  [:O]

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

That's nothing. Every news outlet used to accept talking points

No.  They don't.  Don't compare Roger Ailles or Rupert Murdoch to anyone from the other networks... they are SHILLS for the Republican Party, plain and simple... in ways the so-called "liberal media" would never stoop to.

quote:
and Fox will accept them from any President or candidate. The mainstream media will only accept them from Liberals.

The boldfaced statement is a BALD-FACED LIE.

Tell me in the leadup to the Iraq war how "liberal" the mainstream news media was...  

quote:Liberal Presidents and candidates ignore FOX, so it's a moot point, much like the Liberal thought process.

Ummm.  How many liberal presidents have we had in the FOX NEWS era? (circa 1996)?  We've had exactly ONE Democrat.  And that was pro-NAFTA, don't-ask-don't-tell Bill Clinton from the "centrist" DLC.... moot point?  yeah, let's talk about the Conservative thought process reflected in FOX viewers...

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc

quote:There were college research studies out long before this one, showing that although fox leans SLIGHTLY to the right, they are far and away more balanced than any other mainstream or cable news organization.

Link please.... I beg to differ..... http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/08/fox-news-clinton-bias-amplified-sheppard-smith-even-wonders-why/

quote:The others are so far to the left that it just seems that FOX is far to the right. That just shows how anti freedom of choice and expression you left wingnut, airbags are.

Liar liar, pants on fire... I know you are, but whut am I, I know you are, but what am I.... maybe, just maybe, you're very very conservative, so anything other than Fox News is "liberal" to you...

quote:You want to shut any voice down, that doesn't follow your train of thought, oh..., in the name of "open mindedness". You people are a caricature if what it is to be a lying cheating, all is expectable behavior, in the name of getting my way, HYPOCRITES!

Last time I checked, Fox News and Rush and Sean Hannity and that crazy woman Anne Coulter and all the folks who do nothing but shill for the republican party and DEMONIZE anyone to the left of Genghis Khan and have the audacity to  call their network, "fair and balanced" .... this is just plain WRONG... and it is an assault on honest journalism...

http://www.outfoxed.org/

quote:I know your gig. You use examples like O'Reilly, an OPINION journalist, to make your point. You know he's an OPINION JOURNALIST. The news...., you know the part where FOX stops expressing any personal opinions and all other main stream stations and news papers do not...., that's what I'm talking about. Like Slick Willy didn't hand out talking points. SURE. You know better or you're an obstinately blind idiot. There's no 3rd option, so which is it?

Yeah, I remember that argument that CNN suddenly became the "Clinton News Network"... dream on, CNN never gave the Clinton's a free pass... and they NEVER treated George W. Bush the way FOX news kissed Bush's butt gratuitously after savaging former President Bill Clinton...

You're the idiot.  Really.

Fox News Through History

What if Fox News had been there for other key moments in World History?
http://www.upcheer.com/images/foxnews/

[USRufnex]

My Vote Score today: 37% Republican, 63% Democrat

My vote score if I'd answered these questions in 1985: 73% Republican, 27% Democrat

But the young Republicans told me back in college that I was supposed to get more conservative as I get older...

[grahambino]

1. People have a right to unrestricted gun ownership.
* Disagree
2. Abortion should be illegal in all cases.
* Strongly disagree
3. Drugs, including marijuana, should be illegal.
* Strongly disagree
4. Taxes should be lowered for all income brackets.
* Disagree
5. Marriage is only for a man and a woman. Gay people should not be allowed to get married.
* Strongly disagree
6. Social security should be replaced with private accounts.
* Not sure
7. Stem cell research is unethical.
* Strongly disagree
8. We need to stay the course in Iraq. Pulling out is not an option.
* Disagree
9. Parents should be able to choose between competing schools for their kids with vouchers.
* Not sure
10. Oil companies should be left alone to run their businesses as they choose.
* Disagree

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

1. People have a right to unrestricted gun ownership.
* Disagree
2. Abortion should be illegal in all cases.
* Strongly disagree
3. Drugs, including marijuana, should be illegal.
* Strongly disagree
4. Taxes should be lowered for all income brackets.
* Disagree
5. Marriage is only for a man and a woman. Gay people should not be allowed to get married.
* Strongly disagree
6. Social security should be replaced with private accounts.
* Not sure
7. Stem cell research is unethical.
* Strongly disagree
8. We need to stay the course in Iraq. Pulling out is not an option.
* Disagree
9. Parents should be able to choose between competing schools for their kids with vouchers.
* Not sure
10. Oil companies should be left alone to run their businesses as they choose.
* Disagree

What are you, some kind of liberal?

[FOTD]

If you believe in Jerome Corsi you should vote republican.....should's a bad word. Ok, if you believe in the politics of destuction you might be republican. There. That makes sense.[][}:)]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/14/obama-camp-dubs-anti-obama-author-fringe-bigot/

[FOTD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

sends chills up your spine!