BOK Center - Open House

[Porky]

Thanks for letting me know. Been checking it out and have learned a lot from it.

Everyone's pictures on here are really awesome. One of the things I find remarkable with Steven's pictures are the perspective he shoots them in. It truly adds to his already great photography skills.

To learn is to learn by others, can't get enough if it!!!! [^]

[SJC TUL]

quote:Originally posted by Porky
Awesome pictures, Steven. Wish there was a way I could see what settings you were using on those indoor shots........absolutely incredible! [8D]

Thank you, Porky!

As tulsacyclist mentioned, you can see the settings in the EXIF data.

Hoss:
I resize and watermark my photos in Photoshop before posting them to Flickr.  I don't know if this applies to all versions of Photoshop, but "Save As..." preserves EXIF data, while "Save for Web & Devices..." strips it out.

I've put more photos up just now:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ezeiza/tags/bokcentergrandopening/

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:

There is no parking period, therefore no handicap spaces. The area on the south side is meant for drop-off however.
At the time of completion, this is the most ADA compliant Arena in the Nation.

Isn't ADA compliance yes/no proposition?  How can one facility be "more ADA compliant" than another?

There is a minimum level to achieve compliance, going above and beyond gives disabled more and easier access.

Like...  no parking?  It is to laugh.  
What about the poor handicapped person who drives him/herself to the arena?  The dropoff arena doesn't do them much good, does it?

Assuming a handicapped person gets over the rather significant access hurdle of actually getting themselves into the arena, how does the arena give them "more and easier access" that would make it "the most ADA compliant arena in the nation?"

Hmm..let's see.  Did you even go to the open house?

Second, as I had to wheel my mother around the arena, I found it EXTREMELY easy to get her where I needed.  Elevators were plentiful and not real crowded.  Bathrooms were ADA compliant (her sister helped with that, but I inquired as to the ease of use), areas for wheelchairs to park in both bowls were quite easy to get to and she felt very comfortable, more so than anytime she's been to a movie theater, or the last time she had to go the Convention Center (which was my High School Graduation in 1985).

She was thrilled to be there and astonished at how easy it was.  She hasn't the strength to wheel herself around due to her condition (subdural hematoma about 24 years ago) but she can walk on her own if needed with the aid of a cane.

If she had an electronic or powered chair, there would be no problems with her getting around in the arena at all, especially with the foresight of having a ramp to access all three levels of the arena.  Hell, these electronic carts I see people using at Wally world would fit anywhere in this building and been able to carry the task out.

And if someone drives themselves to the arena that are handicapped, MTTA has already said they will provide a lift van for that service if you call in advance.  For that matter, this person wouldn't even need to drive their own vehicle; they could schedule the van to come pick them up.  Go figure!

That information was in the flyer given out to people who visited the arena on Saturday.

Hmm..let's see, have you ever been to another recently-constructed arena?  None of the features you describe in your post makes the BOK Center in any way different from any other recently-built arena (except that a lot of the others provide convenient handicapped accessible parking.)

On the side note you raised, if MTTA vans were the answer to handicapped access, we could do away with all of those special reserved spots at all of the commercial establishments in town; they have convenient drop-off spots too.)

You conveniently avoided answering my question.  Did you go?

And on my side note, you're comparing apples to oranges there.  Smaller establishments absolutely need the parking; you wouldn't shuttle someone 20 feet to the door, now would you?  Shall I talk to the lady I know at work who parks in a handicapped spot and tell her since she comes in at 10 pm, she'll have to park 300 yards away from the door, but so sorry, you'll need to get in by yourself.  That's just plain stupid.

And I have been to the Ford Center, CenturyTel Arena in Bossier City (Shreveport) Louisiana, ScottTrade Center in St. Louis, all within the last three years...shall I continue?  NONE of these buildings had the ease of access for the handicapped as this building does.  NONE.  Sure, you could get in, but it was much narrower in the concourses, the handicapped seating was not near as accessible, and it lacked elevator space.  They all had plenty of elevators, but you need to take into account that these elevators need to be a little oversized to handle the hardware.  Not only that, but only one of these buildings had a surface parking lot with disabled parking; yet that parking was still, distance-wise, comparable to walking a city block.  The other two had NO adjoining parking (ScottTrade, Ford Center), at least at the time I went.  Ford may have joining parking garage now, but I haven't been since they did.

And if it sounds like I get sensitive about the issue, you're damn right I do.  I see people on a daily basis park in handicapped parking spots with no reason to do so.  I've confronted people on it.  I suspect they're in the same situation I am (care for a person who is disabled and have the placard to hang) and use it to their advantage.  Sometimes they don't even hang a placard.  I don't know who is worse.

NO handicapped parking at the BOK Arena?

Wonder if the reason was that Mayor Taylor didn't want to have to actually be around any cripples??

Mid-town elitists don't have any cripples in their families; they're all perfect.

Group Think 101.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:

There is no parking period, therefore no handicap spaces. The area on the south side is meant for drop-off however.
At the time of completion, this is the most ADA compliant Arena in the Nation.

Isn't ADA compliance yes/no proposition?  How can one facility be "more ADA compliant" than another?

There is a minimum level to achieve compliance, going above and beyond gives disabled more and easier access.

Like...  no parking?  It is to laugh.  
What about the poor handicapped person who drives him/herself to the arena?  The dropoff arena doesn't do them much good, does it?

Assuming a handicapped person gets over the rather significant access hurdle of actually getting themselves into the arena, how does the arena give them "more and easier access" that would make it "the most ADA compliant arena in the nation?"

Hmm..let's see.  Did you even go to the open house?

Second, as I had to wheel my mother around the arena, I found it EXTREMELY easy to get her where I needed.  Elevators were plentiful and not real crowded.  Bathrooms were ADA compliant (her sister helped with that, but I inquired as to the ease of use), areas for wheelchairs to park in both bowls were quite easy to get to and she felt very comfortable, more so than anytime she's been to a movie theater, or the last time she had to go the Convention Center (which was my High School Graduation in 1985).

She was thrilled to be there and astonished at how easy it was.  She hasn't the strength to wheel herself around due to her condition (subdural hematoma about 24 years ago) but she can walk on her own if needed with the aid of a cane.

If she had an electronic or powered chair, there would be no problems with her getting around in the arena at all, especially with the foresight of having a ramp to access all three levels of the arena.  Hell, these electronic carts I see people using at Wally world would fit anywhere in this building and been able to carry the task out.

And if someone drives themselves to the arena that are handicapped, MTTA has already said they will provide a lift van for that service if you call in advance.  For that matter, this person wouldn't even need to drive their own vehicle; they could schedule the van to come pick them up.  Go figure!

That information was in the flyer given out to people who visited the arena on Saturday.

Hmm..let's see, have you ever been to another recently-constructed arena?  None of the features you describe in your post makes the BOK Center in any way different from any other recently-built arena (except that a lot of the others provide convenient handicapped accessible parking.)

On the side note you raised, if MTTA vans were the answer to handicapped access, we could do away with all of those special reserved spots at all of the commercial establishments in town; they have convenient drop-off spots too.)

You conveniently avoided answering my question.  Did you go?

And on my side note, you're comparing apples to oranges there.  Smaller establishments absolutely need the parking; you wouldn't shuttle someone 20 feet to the door, now would you?  Shall I talk to the lady I know at work who parks in a handicapped spot and tell her since she comes in at 10 pm, she'll have to park 300 yards away from the door, but so sorry, you'll need to get in by yourself.  That's just plain stupid.

And I have been to the Ford Center, CenturyTel Arena in Bossier City (Shreveport) Louisiana, ScottTrade Center in St. Louis, all within the last three years...shall I continue?  NONE of these buildings had the ease of access for the handicapped as this building does.  NONE.  Sure, you could get in, but it was much narrower in the concourses, the handicapped seating was not near as accessible, and it lacked elevator space.  They all had plenty of elevators, but you need to take into account that these elevators need to be a little oversized to handle the hardware.  Not only that, but only one of these buildings had a surface parking lot with disabled parking; yet that parking was still, distance-wise, comparable to walking a city block.  The other two had NO adjoining parking (ScottTrade, Ford Center), at least at the time I went.  Ford may have joining parking garage now, but I haven't been since they did.

And if it sounds like I get sensitive about the issue, you're damn right I do.  I see people on a daily basis park in handicapped parking spots with no reason to do so.  I've confronted people on it.  I suspect they're in the same situation I am (care for a person who is disabled and have the placard to hang) and use it to their advantage.  Sometimes they don't even hang a placard.  I don't know who is worse.

NO handicapped parking at the BOK Arena?

Wonder if the reason was that Mayor Taylor didn't want to have to actually be around any cripples??

Mid-town elitists don't have any cripples in their families; they're all perfect.

Group Think 101.

Poor, poor bear.  He must need to hibernate...

[Tulsa Twister]

All i can say is wow x3.........

This facility is absolutely phenomenal. Ill be coming back to visit my folks next summer and ill make sure i pay a visit downtown to see this gem up close.

I can imagine Mr Pelli receiving several inquiries from other larger cities that will need to construct new arenas, theaters or museums to replace aging ones.

This is..........got now words. Damn!! Be proud to have a cutting edge design thats like no other, thats functional. Cant wait til its shopped on postcards.

I dont care what anybody says about this building.........its a premium arena !!!

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


NO handicapped parking at the BOK Arena?

Wonder if the reason was that Mayor Taylor didn't want to have to actually be around any cripples??

Mid-town elitists don't have any cripples in their families; they're all perfect.

Group Think 101.

That is easily the stupidest post you've ever made. And that's saying something. Judging which of your posts is the dumbest is like determining the biggest turd an elephant has dropped. This latest turd of yours would cover up a mid-sized sedan.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


NO handicapped parking at the BOK Arena?

Wonder if the reason was that Mayor Taylor didn't want to have to actually be around any cripples??

Mid-town elitists don't have any cripples in their families; they're all perfect.

Group Think 101.

That is easily the stupidest post you've ever made. And that's saying something. Judging which of your posts is the dumbest is like determining the biggest turd an elephant has dropped. This latest turd of yours would cover up a mid-sized sedan.

Yep, the last person that made light of a handicapped person that I saw was an OKC Blazer hockey player two seasons ago.  I take that stuff pretty seriously, since my mother is handicapped and has been since she was my age (about 40).  If I'd had the means to get over that fence at the time, I would have been in the newspaper the very next day.  That, I could guarantee you of.

So FB escaped my wrath this evening.  I could have been a hell of a lot meaner (and for me that's sayin something).

[AMP]

Anyone find the answers to these questions?

Anyone have any specs on the Arena such as the dimensions of the cargo doors that enter the floor at the BOK Arena?

Heigth, Width?

Are they a straight shot outside with no turns?

Dimensions of the floor in feet? Not square fee the length and width.

Load limit, per square foot, on the arena floor that has the icing system inside it?

Can you drive a semi tractor with trailer, full size dump truck or skid loader onto the arena floor?

[sgrizzle]

AMP, check your PM

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


NO handicapped parking at the BOK Arena?

Wonder if the reason was that Mayor Taylor didn't want to have to actually be around any cripples??

Mid-town elitists don't have any cripples in their families; they're all perfect.

Group Think 101.

That is easily the stupidest post you've ever made. And that's saying something. Judging which of your posts is the dumbest is like determining the biggest turd an elephant has dropped. This latest turd of yours would cover up a mid-sized sedan.

Bombs away?

[shadows]

FB: such a statements concerning lack of proper required handicap parking at the BOK ARENA FOR THE ELITE is very discouraging to those who have disabilities restricting their movements.

By making such statements it will possibility in the future keep you from a wide in the wittle jet airplane.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

FB: such a statements concerning lack of proper required handicap parking at the BOK ARENA FOR THE ELITE is very discouraging to those who have disabilities restricting their movements.

By making such statements it will possibility in the future keep you from a wide in the wittle jet airplane.

Don't worry.  FB was educated by Republican Party values.  If it's not white anglo saxon protestant, it's not worth walking on the face of the earth.  Oh, I forgot, that includes the ability to walk.  God forbit you can't walk on your own.

I wonder if he ever gets out of his basement?

[:O]

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[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by shadows

FB: such a statements concerning lack of proper required handicap parking at the BOK ARENA FOR THE ELITE is very discouraging to those who have disabilities restricting their movements.

By making such statements it will possibility in the future keep you from a wide in the wittle jet airplane.

Don't worry.  FB was educated by Republican Party values.  If it's not white anglo saxon protestant, it's not worth walking on the face of the earth.  Oh, I forgot, that includes the ability to walk.  God forbit you can't walk on your own.

I wonder if he ever gets out of his basement?

[:O]

[}:)]

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I had a one-night stand with a Mrs. Cartwright?

I promised to respect her in the morning. I still do.

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