Obama IS NOT Muslim-Local poster undaunted

[waterboy]

Here is the text of the Washington Times report that Friendly Bear has misused in able to post an inflammatory headline. He and others who are using this forum as a "headline news service" knows it is a cynical attempt to mislead people. As long as they keep up the nonsense chatter no one notices that the issues are not being discussed.

ST. LOUIS | Sen. Barack Obama's foes on Sunday seized upon a brief slip of the tongue when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said "my Muslim faith."

The three words - immediately corrected - were uttered during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," when Mr. Obama was trying to criticize the quiet smear campaign suggesting that he is a Muslim.

Within one hour of the interview, anti-Obama groups had edited it out of context and were sending it around via e-mail. They also were blogging about it.



Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service, said he finds it "deeply offensive" that there are efforts "coming out of the Republican camp" to suggest "that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith."

The exchange came after Mr. Obama said that Republicans are attempting to "scare" voters by suggesting that he is not Christian, which McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said was "cynical."

[Conan71]

WB- I don't have time to watch the video Wrinkle linked to at the moment, what was Obama's exact quote?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

WB- I don't have time to watch the video Wrinkle linked to at the moment, what was Obama's exact quote?

EXACTLY what I posted.

It was what psychiatrists call a "Freudian Slip".

[Hometown]

Mr. Bear and his friends engage in the same kind of cynical propaganda that Republican surrogates have engaged in for a long time now.  

Did you see the TulsaWorld story about Inhofe's remarks to the Oklahoma delegation at the Republican National Convention?  His message was "Obama does not love the United States."

Now these were talking points coming from party leadership and they were spoken by one of the top ranking Republicans in our state and they were no more accurate or helpful in our national discourse that Mr. Bear's remarks.

And consider this.  McCain knew what he was doing when he used his convention to further confuse the American public about who perpetrated 9/11 and who didn't.  

You heard McCain say that our troops have the terrorists on the run in Iraq.  No mention of insurgents or sectarian strife.  Deliberately confusing a civil war and an insurgency with the war on terror shows no regard for the lives of American service people and is even more cynical than the partisan propaganda posted here.  That's coming from the new leader of the Republican Party -- McCain -- and it sounds a whole lot like Baby Bush.

Bear and his friends remind us of what we are up against.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

WB- I don't have time to watch the video Wrinkle linked to at the moment, what was Obama's exact quote?

EXACTLY what I posted.

It was what psychiatrists call a "Freudian Slip".

Thanks for the faulty education FB. Freshman Psych? You're a Freudian? Pretty rare these days. Then you know that psychologists are generally past followers of Freud who is largely ignored except in posts by keyboard commanders on forums. Psychiatrists are the ones who dispense the drugs you obviously need.

Here is the text from the Times. It notes the frequent interruptions that apparently threw Obama off course. Yeah, that Liberal media does that stuff to prove they're not really liberal I guess. Curious none of you attacked Palin for reading off her prepared speech the words "To Be Referenced In Future Materials" which apparently the speechwriter had noted in the margin. An obvious miss-speak but perhaps you could give the Freudian analysis FB?

Asked about it on ABC, Mr. Obama said, "These guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand."

"The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections," said Mr. Stephanopoulos, who repeatedly interrupted Mr. Obama during the interview.

"I don't think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks," Mr. Obama responded, and Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted: "But John McCain said that's wrong."

Mr. Obama noted that when the Republican vice-presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, "was forced" to talk about her pregnant 17-year-old daughter, he issued a forceful statement to reporters that the line of inquiry was "off limits."

But he said the McCain campaign tried to tie him to "liberal blogs that support Obama" and are "attacking Governor Palin."

"Let's not play games," he said. "What I was suggesting - you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."

"My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly. "Well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either.

"What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith - something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time," Mr. Obama said.

Asked to comment on the accidental misstatement illustrating the difficulty of the issue, Obama spokesman Bill Burton offered this comment: "I'm not surprised that the only outlet doing this story is The Washington Times."


I honestly think that he meant to refer to the issue of him and the muslim faith. But that's because I believe the best about people. FB is challenging one of my cherished beliefs.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Mr. Bear and his friends engage in the same kind of cynical propaganda that Republican surrogates have engaged in for a long time now.  

Did you see the TulsaWorld story about Inhofe's remarks to the Oklahoma delegation at the Republican National Convention?  His message was "Obama does not love the United States."

Now these were talking points coming from party leadership and they were spoken by one of the top ranking Republicans in our state and they were no more accurate or helpful in our national discourse that Mr. Bear's remarks.

And consider this.  McCain knew what he was doing when he used his convention to further confuse the American public about who perpetrated 9/11 and who didn't.  

You heard McCain say that our troops have the terrorists on the run in Iraq.  No mention of insurgents or sectarian strife.  Deliberately confusing a civil war and an insurgency with the war on terror shows no regard for the lives of American service people and is even more cynical than the partisan propaganda posted here.  That's coming from the new leader of the Republican Party -- McCain -- and it sounds a whole lot like Baby Bush.

Bear and his friends remind us of what we are up against.

Glad I'm helpful for something.

I was beginning to think I wasn't liked.

Thanks for perishing the thought.

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[Conan71]

"But he said the McCain campaign tried to tie him to "liberal blogs that support Obama" and are "attacking Governor Palin."

"Let's not play games," he said. "What I was suggesting - you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."

"My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly. "Well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. "

I'd agree that was spun out of control.  That pedantic, whiny, Hannity will play with this for weeks though.

I'd also concur that Obama is lacking when he speaks extemporaneously.  He's not the natural at it some people believe.  Many politicians are not.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

"But he said the McCain campaign tried to tie him to "liberal blogs that support Obama" and are "attacking Governor Palin."

"Let's not play games," he said. "What I was suggesting - you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."

"My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly. "Well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. "

I'd agree that was spun out of control.  That pedantic, whiny, Hannity will play with this for weeks though.

I'd also concur that Obama is lacking when he speaks extemporaneously.  He's not the natural at it some people believe.  Many politicians are not.

Conanon, you really need to listen to music instead of talk radio shows on your A.M. dial....look into satellite radd eeee ohhh!

[tim huntzinger]

He SHOULD have said something, ANYTHING to the point of 'Not that there is anything wrong with that. I am proud to have known many, many Muslims and am sickened that anyone would use that as an insult.'

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

He SHOULD have said something, ANYTHING to the point of 'Not that there is anything wrong with that. I am proud to have known many, many Muslims and am sickened that anyone would use that as an insult.'

Ahhh. The Seinfeld Defense. []

[waterboy]

Need to keep this headline before the masses. FB would understand.

[tim huntzinger]

So I log onto the webtube this AM and pull up my homepage which is sporting that huge ugly pic of O'Bama, and my 18 mo old sez 'Ewwwwww - bama.'  HA! Now if her surly commie OU sis would get rid of her 'Obama mama' tee shirt!

Would it matter if O'bama said, 'As a child I practiced Islam.  My stepfather was Muslim, I attended a Muslim school, and thought that was a way.  Y'know, converting to Islam is not hard, as easy as saying the Sinner's Prayer.  For billions of folk Islam is the end of a spiritual journey, for me it was the first steps.'

Would that mollify the xenophobes or inflame them?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

So I log onto the webtube this AM and pull up my homepage which is sporting that huge ugly pic of O'Bama, and my 18 mo old sez 'Ewwwwww - bama.'  HA! Now if her surly commie OU sis would get rid of her 'Obama mama' tee shirt!

Would it matter if O'bama said, 'As a child I practiced Islam.  My stepfather was Muslim, I attended a Muslim school, and thought that was a way.  Y'know, converting to Islam is not hard, as easy as saying the Sinner's Prayer.  For billions of folk Islam is the end of a spiritual journey, for me it was the first steps.'

Would that mollify the xenophobes or inflame them?

It would show he's a hypocrite, and lose him millions of votes.

He's Muslim.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

So I log onto the webtube this AM and pull up my homepage which is sporting that huge ugly pic of O'Bama, and my 18 mo old sez 'Ewwwwww - bama.'  HA! Now if her surly commie OU sis would get rid of her 'Obama mama' tee shirt!

Would it matter if O'bama said, 'As a child I practiced Islam.  My stepfather was Muslim, I attended a Muslim school, and thought that was a way.  Y'know, converting to Islam is not hard, as easy as saying the Sinner's Prayer.  For billions of folk Islam is the end of a spiritual journey, for me it was the first steps.'

Would that mollify the xenophobes or inflame them?

It would show he's a hypocrite, and lose him millions of votes.

He's Muslim.

Americans embrace freedom to worship as you please. FB's Americans think that's dangerous. They will punish you for stepping out of line. Nonetheless....

He's Christian.