Double Coupons?

[Nick Danger]

That sounds like a great workaround. I wonder if there is any other reason some of the major chains do not want to bring stores here. I don't think it is because of market size, because the ones I am familiar with are in Denton, TX, and the population there is certainly a lot less than here. There are two or more Krogers, plus Albertsons, and several smaller ones that I can't remember the name. There is also a WalMart Supercenter, a Target Supercenter, but none of the WalMart markets.

It sure would be nice to have some healthy competition.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Who Cares

Oklahoma will never get another big grocery chain until they change the liquour laws. That's where grocery chains make a lot of profit. Albertson's tried many times to get Kroger to buy its oklahoma stores, and they would not for this very reason. So thats why they were dumped on to AWG, which bid them out to its fellow members(Reasor's, Food Pryamid-Ramey's,and Homeland). This is also the Reason we will never see chains like costco and Trader Joes.

I talked to someone who is a supplier for both stores and has visited almost every major location for both. He named several states where those chains did not sell liquor in the stores because they had laws similar to ours. The just put a side store and sold the alcohol out of the adjoining storefront.

I remember the McCartneys at 28th & Memorial had a liquor store attached next door, but I don't think they were owned by the same party.  Several liquor stores in town operate a beverage & snack shop right next door to sell mixers, snacks, cigars & tobacco, etc.  As long as they have separate outside entrances and customers are not allowed to walk between the two from inside, then it complies with regs.  Crazy, I know.

Along these lines, does anyone know why Warehouse Market does not sell 3.2 beer in Okmulgee?  I see their newspaper ads all the time and beneath the beer specials, it always says "All beer excluded in Okmulgee."  Does the city or county there prohibit beer in grocery stores?  Just curious.

[Who Cares]

I don't think state liquor laws in Oklahoma allow grocery chains to operate separate liquor stores. I think it has to be a separate owner.

Here is the link for that movement to get it into grocery stores, looks kinda dead:
http://www.oklahomansformodernlaws.com/OklahomansForModernLaws.php

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by Who Cares

I don't think state liquor laws in Oklahoma allow grocery chains to operate separate liquor stores. I think it has to be a separate owner.

Here is the link for that movement to get it into grocery stores, looks kinda dead:
http://www.oklahomansformodernlaws.com/OklahomansForModernLaws.php

That's apparently true.  
The liquor license has to belong to a person.  

That person must live in Oklahoma for 10 consecutive years unless moved away for school and the school thing is a maybe.  

If you move away on business you must have proof of intention to return such as maintaining a residence or absentee voting (thanks to a loophole).  

You are only allowed to own one store. There are ways around it but it gets very foggy in the ways of ABLE.

If I go on much farther I'll sound like a conspiracist.

[sgrizzle]

Maybe the way to effect change the liquor laws in Oklahoma is to abandon the current "F___ the Christians and their laws" approach and maybe tackle the laws one at a time. Change the wine sale law today, go after liquor store ownership rule tomorrow.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by Nick Danger

That sounds like a great workaround. I wonder if there is any other reason some of the major chains do not want to bring stores here. I don't think it is because of market size, because the ones I am familiar with are in Denton, TX, and the population there is certainly a lot less than here. There are two or more Krogers, plus Albertsons, and several smaller ones that I can't remember the name. There is also a WalMart Supercenter, a Target Supercenter, but none of the WalMart markets.

It sure would be nice to have some healthy competition.

That could be a good point, there's enough stores now that no new chain wants to move in. However, I don't understand why Tulsa's current stores don't have much to offer the shoppers aside from Reasors (and they even lack in major selections). Many midwestern states have stores like "Food 4 less", "No Frills", Krogers, Giant Eagel and HyVee as the main stores plus smaller stores like "Save-A-Lot" and "Aldi" and of course the foods in Wal-Mart SuperCenters.[xx(]