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Started by waterboy, September 21, 2009, 07:12:26 PM

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Conan71

#30
October 05, 2009, 01:32:10 PM
I especially like the last :30 or so.  The guy has a very quick wit and wicked sense of humor.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

jamesrage

#31
October 06, 2009, 02:50:52 PM Last Edit: October 06, 2009, 02:53:46 PM by jamesrage
Quote from: waterboy on September 21, 2009, 07:12:26 PM
I have to mark another otherwise good business off of my list, at least till the local election ends. That Coffee Shop on Cherry Street has pretty good coffee and is a pleasant place to sit and converse. I will however not frequent any business that is overtly political. Its outdoor decking is plastered with Gomez signs. Of course, I don't support Gomez but that isn't even relevant. You serve a public that has many different political views. You hold yourself out as a coffee shop, a business, not a Republican coffee shop.

In the past I have checked off bars and restaurants that play Fox News on their big screens. I checked off a coffee shop downtown that vigorously opposed river development. Nelson's Buffeteria was hard to write off but very necessary. I just can't be comfortable with political signs surrounding my table or loud mouth Limbaugh wannabe's shouting out their leader's politics. Doesn't matter to me which end of the political spectrum either. Just have never seen left wing examples. Tell me where they are, I'll ignore them too.

Mr. Coffee, enjoy your freedom of speech it may cost you more than you realize. Good coffee can be found anywhere. Its just bad business to take sides.

Boycotting a business because they play fox news, a sign supporting a political candidate or support river development signs sounds preposterous/Downtown is dead. I do not support river development and my opinion on downtown is love downtown, but if someone wants to support those things I oppose then that is their right and I would have no problem eating at their restaurant if they made really good food. A restaurant should be judged on how good their food is and how good their waitresses and staff are, not because you have a problem with a difference of opinion.
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waterboy

#32
October 06, 2009, 08:12:44 PM
Quote from: jamesrage on October 06, 2009, 02:50:52 PM
Boycotting a business because they play fox news, a sign supporting a political candidate or support river development signs sounds preposterous/Downtown is dead. I do not support river development and my opinion on downtown is love downtown, but if someone wants to support those things I oppose then that is their right and I would have no problem eating at their restaurant if they made really good food. A restaurant should be judged on how good their food is and how good their waitresses and staff are, not because you have a problem with a difference of opinion.

I'm not boycotting them because of their politics, but because of their inability to separate them from their business. Businesses are like referees or judges. They must stay neutral if they intend to do their job well. Would you want to be one of his investors and see him potentially alienating 20% of his customer base?? If you knew he supported illegal immigration and put Nancy Pelosi signs around the patio....would you eat there anyway?? :)

Really good food (or coffee) is just not that hard to find. Really good businessmen are.

jamesrage

#33
October 06, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Quote from: waterboy on October 06, 2009, 08:12:44 PM
I'm not boycotting them because of their politics, but because of their inability to separate them from their business. Businesses are like referees or judges. They must stay neutral if they intend to do their job well. Would you want to be one of his investors and see him potentially alienating 20% of his customer base??

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Really good food (or coffee) is just not that hard to find. Really good businessmen are.

  Usually when people boycott a business because of political views it is because they dislike that business owner's views not because they do not want a business playing fox news or supporting a republican political candidate. Somehow I think if the coffee shop was playing Rachel Maddow or some other liberal lunitac and had a signing saying "I support undocumented immigrants you wouldn't have made this thread.


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If you knew he supported illegal immigration and put Nancy Pelosi signs around the patio....would you eat there anyway?? :)

As long as he is making really good food then yes I would still eat there. His views does not make the food taste any better or worse.
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A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those

waterboy

#34
October 06, 2009, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: jamesrage on October 06, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
  Usually when people boycott a business because of political views it is because they dislike that business owner's views not because they do not want a business playing fox news or supporting a republican political candidate. Somehow I think if the coffee shop was playing Rachel Maddow or some other liberal lunitac and had a signing saying "I support undocumented immigrants you wouldn't have made this thread.


As long as he is making really good food then yes I would still eat there. His views does not make the food taste any better or worse.

From reading your past posts, I doubt your sincerity. I made it clear that regardless of the political leaning, it would be enough to keep me away. I also made it clear that their personal views were not important to me as well. I have many friends I eat dinner with that are Republican and conservative but they don't put yard signs around the dining room table.

Just how far will you bow to get good food? If its made by racist skinheads with nooses hanging by the front door, but they make really good sandwiches...are you in?

BTW, after the election I'll gladly revisit his shop and drop my tips in his jar. That sound like a "usual" boycott to you?

jamesrage

#35
October 06, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
Quote from: waterboy on October 06, 2009, 08:29:09 PM
From reading your past posts, I doubt your sincerity. I made it clear that regardless of the political leaning, it would be enough to keep me away. I also made it clear that their personal views were not important to me as well. I have many friends I eat dinner with that are Republican and conservative but they don't put yard signs around the dining room table.

For some reason I doubt your sincerity.


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Just how far will you bow to get good food? If its made by racist skinheads with nooses hanging by the front door, but they make really good sandwiches...are you in?


A place ran by racist skinheads is an extremity. It is nowhere near the same as someone supporting a political candidate or saying they support riverside development.


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BTW, after the election I'll gladly revisit his shop and drop my tips in his jar. That sound like a "usual" boycott to you?

Still sounds like you are punishing those restaurants for the views of the owners.
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A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those

waterboy

#36
October 06, 2009, 08:55:56 PM
Non responsive. Nothing I've ever posted would lead you to those remarks.

Don't take my word for it James. Check out how few restaurants or other businesses make such a bonehead mistake as to telegraph their politics in their business. You may find some waiting rooms in doctors offices or tire dealers but few others. Its just not worth the risk.

custosnox

#37
October 06, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: waterboy on October 06, 2009, 08:55:56 PM
Non responsive. Nothing I've ever posted would lead you to those remarks.

Don't take my word for it James. Check out how few restaurants or other businesses make such a bonehead mistake as to telegraph their politics in their business. You may find some waiting rooms in doctors offices or tire dealers but few others. Its just not worth the risk.
Tulsa World doesn't seem to have a problem with it

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