Proposed Utica Hospital "Corridor" - Truth to rumors?

[TheArtist]

Slipped in and torn out... I am beginning to wonder what, if any, differences the new plan will have from the old one? 

[Rico]

Slipped in and torn out... I am beginning to wonder what, if any, differences the new plan will have from the old one? 

The presentation I attended, on PlaniTulsa, seemed as though it would provide an opportunity to bring Tulsan's closer together.
To put in place a system or method for Tulsa to move forward.
So there would not be all the "us vs them" mentality that seems to accompany development within Tulsa.

This plan is not going to be a "law" that governs everything built in Tulsa.
At this point it doesn't even seem that it will provide a vision that can be shared.

So far it has just drawn another line in the sand.

The next public meeting for comments at the TMAPC promises to just be an opportunity for some to hurl insults at others.
A soapbox to announce that we are right and they are wrong.

Fine, put this plan in place, let this civilized process (us vs. them) of developing a "New Tulsa" accompany it,
when it is all said and done you will have two sides and they will be going two different directions.
Very much the way it is now.

How is that working so far for everyone.... ?

I wouldn't expect results to be much different because you call the plan by another name.

[Theron Warlick]

Hi folks,

I can fill in a few blanks here with some facts. 

First, as you may know, the Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission is currently reviewing the PLANiTULSA draft plan found at PLANiTULSA.org.  Meetings are archived at tgovonline.org.

Second, this plan is a draft and the public comment period remains open.  Very recently, representatives of the hospitals have suggested some changes to the Land Use and Stability/Change maps and we are currently working with the consultant to get these requests cataloged and up on the website.  We will try to have them up early next week.

Those are the facts, and here's my best guess at upcoming events (the Planning Commission is setting the specific dates and times).

On April 28, the Planning Commission will begin to look at these proposed map changes and absorb these requests.  It appears likely that the PC will then ask the public to weigh in on these and other proposed changes when public hearings resume in mid-May.

So, NO DECISIONS by the Planning Commission have been made and none are imminent, in my estimation.  The online public comment pipeline remains wide open and you can send your thoughts on these requests to the Planning Commission (go to planitulsa.org for instructions on how to submit feedback).

After the public hearing, the Planning Commission may choose one of several options:  a) ignore the requests, b) accept the requests in whole or part, c) defer and recommend a small area planning process for the medical district, or d) something else.

Stay tuned and stay engaged...  Thanks.

[sgrizzle]

well your facts still don't absolve the fact that the maps were determined using a wide swath of community input, and now you have a small group of tenants who want to change a certain area.  How about any and every neighborhood association come back in and provide similiar plans around their areas?   Would they be afforded the same forum as this group of hospital reps?  I doubt it.  I mean, just go ahead and undermine all of the "public input" game that was played.

The fix is in.  The development lobby has done everything according to plan.  Don't provide input during the huge public PR campaign, then swoop in crying fowl not enough time, etc etc and then offer small plans that effect them the most.  and it shall be known as PlaniSham.

The wide swath of the community did the wide swath plan, there are several inset plans including downtown and your area done by people in that area. As he said the hospital is submitting their version and other people to get to add their input to it.

[Rico]

The wide swath of the community did the wide swath plan, there are several inset plans including downtown and your area done by people in that area. As he said the hospital is submitting their version and other people to get to add their input to it.

Good start.

"If the mountain will not come to Mohammad... Mohammad must go to the mountain.." or something like that.

Odd concept, and surely not served up on a plate, but may be something to consider.

[Rico]

From today's World.

Hospitals: Maps don't show correct property lines
Hillcrest and St. John have asked city planners to clear up any confusion.

By KEVIN CANFIELD World Staff Writer
Published: 4/18/2010  2:27 AM
Last Modified: 4/18/2010  5:53 AM

The leaders of Hillcrest and St. John medical centers say they want the city's new comprehensive plan maps to reflect their existing properties and planned areas of development, nothing more, and that little or no development is planned for the historic preservation districts that surround the hospitals.

"The maps we saw come out of PlaniTulsa did not accurately portray the property we own today," said Hillcrest CEO Steve Dobbs. "So we went to them and said, 'You've got to redraw the maps.'

To read more of this article and see the map referenced.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100418_16_A21_Thelea933197

[SXSW]

Looks like any future expansion at St. John would stick to their parking lots on the northern and eastern periphery of the campus at the edge of Yorktown.