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Started by we vs us, February 16, 2011, 09:02:17 AM

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Gaspar

Quote from: nathanm on February 21, 2011, 08:05:46 AM
Or you can talk about what actually happens: PP offers a certain level of services, including abortion, at a given price. Government gives PP money (through the states, by the way), PP offers more family planning services and lowers the price, leaving abortion services the same.

LOL!  Without the funding, what would happen?

Allow me. . .
Without funding for counseling, PP would be required to shift profits made from terminations to cover subsidized programs.  This money would come out of the funding they use to pay professional abortionists.  

A. They could raise the price of terminations to cover the counseling practice.
B. They could discontinue counseling all together, drop "planned" and "parenthood" from their name and operate under their primary profit center.

I think they would probably choose A because I believe they genuinely believe in the services they provide.   As their name implies, they are focused on planning and parenthood.  

Currently they report a total income of over $400 million dollars, with about 350 million coming from government grants and contracts.  15% to 16% of this money goes back to lobby the government for even more money. As a non-profit they operate termination services in most of their clinics at a significant discount over such medical services available from private physicians and hospitals.  Without government funding they would cease to operate.

If your analogy was true, PP could operate termination clinics completely independent of government funding.  If this was the case, competitive independent physicians would seize this opportunity to provide such services, and you would find competitively priced abortion services everywhere.  We don't see this, therefore, we can conclude that without government funding it is not possible to provide termination services at such price levels.  They currently offer terminations for $350.00 - $450.00 and most clinics even have a "Cost Calculator" on their website.  In a hospital, this wouldn't pay for the anesthesia.





When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

The reason it's hard to find abortion services has nothing to do with the market and everything to do with fools threatening doctors and women and vandalizing clinics. It's inexpensive to terminate because surgery is rarely required these days. Or have you not heard of RU-486 and other abortofacients? Besides, that's about what the private doctor in Fayetteville charges (unless he retired).

Anyway, if you have an issue with PP, take it up with the states who distribute the block grants in whatever way they see fit.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

Quote from: nathanm on February 21, 2011, 08:59:06 AM
The reason it's hard to find abortion services has nothing to do with the market and everything to do with fools threatening doctors and women and vandalizing clinics. It's inexpensive to terminate because surgery is rarely required these days. Or have you not heard of RU-486 and other abortofacients? Besides, that's about what the private doctor in Fayetteville charges (unless he retired).

Anyway, if you have an issue with PP, take it up with the states who distribute the block grants in whatever way they see fit.

Again, I don't have an issue.  I'm just saying that you are incorrect in your statement that funding for PP does not impact termination services.  It does.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

Quote from: Gaspar on February 21, 2011, 09:09:57 AM
Again, I don't have an issue.  I'm just saying that you are incorrect in your statement that funding for PP does not impact termination services.  It does.
If that was actually the case, I suspect there would have been a lawsuit filed and successfully prosecuted on the subject.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln