Flooding the West Bank

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Yes thats a plan for the river.  But, its veeery lacking in many areas.  Now dont climb all over me about the Channels listing the things like the price tag etc. that are wrong with it.  But there are some features I like about the channels. like the density and the closeness to the water that the development has. If you look at the incog plan the shops and stuff in the lower left are about a block or more from the river itself!  Whats the point, thats not river development?

I would like to see something with the density and attractiveness of the "Channels on the shore"  or "The Bridges of St Paul"  The incog plan is so boring and worthless a use of that area of the river.  It would limit further development in that area that has such a great view of downtown and could be an area of real attraction for the city and others visiting.  Not a lame version of the Riverwalk even further from the river bank.  I mean why put the development so far away from the river, kind of defeats the purpose of even having waterfront development. That is not something that is going to help us catch up to what other cities are doing on their river fronts unless we like, almost, staying up with Wichita and Fort Smith.    

The one section I like most about the incog plan are their ideas for the 71st area on the east bank. I also like that it has things for the suburbs downstream.  But I think Tulsa itself could use some sort of great utilization of its river. Something that will REALLY be wonderful.  Not this version of the incog. I look at it and want to yawn.

I agree the incog plan lacks a lot, but it a conceptual idea of what types of things and where. Turn the density and aesthetics nobs up a few notches and you have a plan better than teh channels.

EXTREMELY important things missing from the channels:
41st Street bridge
Riverside Drive West
LARGE outdoor ampitheater (think red rocks)
Everything south of 21st street

So they would not build that park that they show in front of that "possible" development? If they did would it then be allowed for developers to build there? and what of the business owners behind the park that would then be behind another development?  If that is only whats possible, how is that any different from now?  What would the incog plan build or do?

[carltonplace]

The INCOG plan was an idea not a blueprint. The plan points out "hey! look! there is some land for development over here! How about a Riverside west to alleviate congestion and solve the problem of widening Riverside drive east? Won't this area make a better rowing marina than an amphitheater?

There are things I love about the plan, and some things that you and Av Joe did better in a few hours photoshopping. I would like to see the broad strokes of this plan enacted with public input on the details. I'm all for your pier and pedestrian bridge.

[the_wata_man]

Are they forgetting that this Island that they are wanting to build upon is just a GREAT BIG Sand Bar? One that has had Grass and Tree's Grow upon it for the past 15 years because we haven't had the Rain to clean it off?

[Headline Dec. 25th 2034
 Early this morning a Flash Flood Erupted the Dam Keeping the water at bay for Savage Island. The Govenor has called out the National Guard, To assist in all rescue attempts. Over 40,000 people are presumed missing in the Fridged Waters of the Arkansas River. More later as more News Developes.]

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by the_wata_man

Are they forgetting that this Island that they are wanting to build upon is just a GREAT BIG Sand Bar? One that has had Grass and Tree's Grow upon it for the past 15 years because we haven't had the Rain to clean it off?

[Headline Dec. 25th 2034
 Early this morning a Flash Flood Erupted the Dam Keeping the water at bay for Savage Island. The Govenor has called out the National Guard, To assist in all rescue attempts. Over 40,000 people are presumed missing in the Fridged Waters of the Arkansas River. More later as more News Developes.]

They werent going to build on those islands they were going to build the islands.  The islands would be set on the bedrock which you can see upstream a bit.  Whatever is on the manmade islands would be just as high as whatever would be built on the banks of the river. Plus if 40,000 people were living on those islands they would be in highrise structures. Unless you were on the ground floor, and were unable to walk up a flight of stairs, and hadn't heard the news of heavy rains and possible flooding of the river, you would be perfectly fine. Its not as though 40,000 people would purposely go down from their highrise apartments like a bunch of lemmings and fling themselves into the flood in need of rescue. But then again...[]