This is why the Democrats will lose in '08

[iplaw]

The real mistake is to think that any measure of dimplomacy will ever work.  These people aren't the diplomatic type, and have stated so on numerous occasions.

[Wrinkle]

In general, it won't end until the price of being a terrorist doesn't seem as attractive as the potential of being a citizen.

At some point, recruting becomes difficult because they get knocked to their knees around every corner while the kids down the block are driving new cars and getting all the girls.

It does take getting over that nasty 'dying for All-ha' thing as being fashionable.

[Wrinkle]

It got me wondering if this Allah guy is real. I mean, you never hear of him making any appearences in potato chips, old wallpaper or tree bark like the J-guy and little Ms. Mary.

It also might help if those little 'mortal-monument' things they make up showed before AND after photos. Seeing what their own guts might look like dripping from the ceiling and sliming down walls might help reduce the popular trend.

Marketing could make a world of difference.

At least, that's what the press does here, only against us instead of them.

[Conan71]

I dunno.  If your daily existence is the hell of living in 120 degree arid weather with sandstorms and sand fleas, and living in poverty, blowing yourself up and being rewarded with your own oasis full of virgin concubines sounds pretty attractive.

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of suicide bombers don't come from the affluent segments of Islamic society, so death doesn't seem like such a bad thing.

Savage is a nut-case but he's made a good point similar to yours.  If we were allowed to hang dead terrorists from lamp posts in the ME, that it might have somewhat of a deterrent effect.

[mike2000]

It's interesting how there are so many bleeding heart types on this board that are "concerned about the Iraqi people".  Why is that?  They never gave a damn about them before and they don't give a damn about the millions of other people that live under brutal dictators in this world.

If you are really concerned about people then we should gear up to invade half a dozen or more African countries and several more ME countries that have dictatorships.

The "concern" for the Iraqis is just an after the fact justification for this pointless war.  There was never a threat from Saddam.  It's been established that he had no connection to Al Quaeda.  How was he going to deliver the mythical WMD's even if he had them?  With that stupid drone (lawn mower engine powered) that Colin Powell showed at the UN?

This whole argument is so old and pointless.  The war is lost.  Your argument was lost years ago.  However, I understand that it's hard to admit a mistake.

I admit that I made a mistake and voted for these clowns in 2000.   I still consider myself a conservative Republican but the truth doesn't follow party lines.  

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Chicken Little, if you condemn Bush for that petty list of 'scandals' you had better not be a big fan of Clinton's.  He was at least as bad with his crony appointment, their turnover, and other scandals both financial and sexual.

ps. Fark.com always refers to the vice president as "Dick 'go f**k yourself' Cheney."   That's awesome.  They also do "Senator Ted Kennedy (D-AA)."  Makes me chuckle.

Not a list of scandals.  A list of incompetent boobs who thought the war would be won in weeks.  Four years later, most of them have been promoted and rewarded for their inability to predict, or react to, the situation in Iraq.  There's something very wrong with that picture.

Amen!

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by mike2000

It's interesting how there are so many bleeding heart types on this board that are "concerned about the Iraqi people".  Why is that?  They never gave a damn about them before and they don't give a damn about the millions of other people that live under brutal dictators in this world.

Really?  How the hell do you know this?  BTW, I have a watch I lost about 2 years ago that I can't find, maybe you could read my mind and help me find it, you've got a gift....

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If you are really concerned about people then we should gear up to invade half a dozen or more African countries and several more ME countries that have dictatorships.

I agree, but we can't do it alone, but is the UN going to offer their services?  Don't bet on it.  They're too busy getting involved in things like oil-for-food to worry about the genocide and torture of innocents.

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The "concern" for the Iraqis is just an after the fact justification for this pointless war.  There was never a threat from Saddam.  It's been established that he had no connection to Al Quaeda.  How was he going to deliver the mythical WMD's even if he had them?  With that stupid drone (lawn mower engine powered) that Colin Powell showed at the UN?

How about with the NoDong missiles he was attempting to purchase in February of 2003 from the North Koreans?  You can't possibly be so dense as to try to make the argument that terrorists could NEVER strike us here...[xx(]  We played that game before, and lost.

[rwarn17588]

Speaking of food-for-oil, it looks like Condi Rice was involved in the scandal:

Excerpt:

According to the Volcker report, surcharges on Iraqi oil exports were introduced in August 2000 by the Iraqi state oil company, the State Oil Marketing Organization. At the time, Condoleezza Rice, now secretary of state, was a member of Chevron's board and led its public policy committee, which oversaw areas of potential political concerns for the company.

Ms. Rice resigned from Chevron's board on Jan. 16, 2001, after being named national security advisor by President Bush.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/business/08chevron.html?_r=5&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=login&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=login

[iplaw]

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the scandal at the UN...is that post supposed to be something similar?

[cannon_fodder]

That's really stretching it, she was basically a liaison between PR, their lobbiests, and the board.  Hardly the one profiting from the oil for food scandal.  Her sole involvement was working for an oil company when it was going on, there is no link between her position and the scandal, let alone her and the scandal.

Interesting that you brought it up though... since all the primary members that were against the war in Iraq were major players in the scandal:

- The United Nations (oil for payola)

- Russia (oil for arms program)

- France (oil for arms and illegal imports)

- Germany (oil for future oil contracts and  illegal imports)

Funny how the mean embargo of the evil Americans killed "800,000 children" as Saddam built new and grander palaces.  Too bad we allocated those funds so poorly and were just so mean, or they may of had a chance. Damn U.S. And the whole time Condi was sitting in a board room advising the directors on what the political climate might be... damn her too!