Riverwalk Crossing Phase II and King's Landing.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by BKDotCom

This thread smells especially troll-like.

I live "near" a bridge, does that count?

[aoxamaxoa]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

The 2025 initiative bailed out the Jenks aquarium. If we had not, it would never had seen success. Yes, we subsidized the finished product. It was a BAIT and switch development. I think there are 2 or 3 successful type aquarium museums across the country. The rest drown in debt.

You posties seem to bat around alot.

I don't consider a nonprofit aquarium as anything like the for profit business venture of the riverwalk.  I dont even see how or why you make a comparison?  If your going to gripe about "bailing out" the aquarium with 2025 money, how about the bait and switch and bail out of the Planetarium and Air and Space Museum? Or how about Mohawk Park? The other parks, the trails and river?  Why bail them out? Goodness a swimming pool and community center in Skiatook? You mean to tell me swimming pools cant be funded privately and run at a profit?  The Oklahoma Jazz Hall of Fame?  We gonna start bailing out every type of music venue in town?

To me the aquarium is more of a combination... educational tool, recreational facility, area attraction, cultural and entertainment asset, than it is a for profit business venture like the Riverwalk.

Yes,educational. Recreational? For Profit? I am missing something here....

Look at the historical chain of events that unfolded on the Jenks Aquarium and you will understand the original intent was to operate profitably only to be undone by poor planning and subsequently BAILED out by 2025. It's simple to comprehend unless you think we are some Midwest magnet for tourism which we are not and never will be.

Jenks....a name that fits. But they spelled it wrong. It's jinxed because it's on the wrong side of the river..but I love that dirty water!!!

[jiminy]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk


Great response!  You avoid actually answering the question, while at the same time appearing smug, all-knowing, and as though you actually know some big-time retailers.  Are you a politician?

In case you forgot, the question is how can one side of the river be a good location, and the other be bad?

I think this may be your answer: Gephyrophobia

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

The 2025 initiative bailed out the Jenks aquarium. If we had not, it would never had seen success. Yes, we subsidized the finished product. It was a BAIT and switch development. I think there are 2 or 3 successful type aquarium museums across the country. The rest drown in debt.

You posties seem to bat around alot.

I don't consider a nonprofit aquarium as anything like the for profit business venture of the riverwalk.  I dont even see how or why you make a comparison?  If your going to gripe about "bailing out" the aquarium with 2025 money, how about the bait and switch and bail out of the Planetarium and Air and Space Museum? Or how about Mohawk Park? The other parks, the trails and river?  Why bail them out? Goodness a swimming pool and community center in Skiatook? You mean to tell me swimming pools cant be funded privately and run at a profit?  The Oklahoma Jazz Hall of Fame?  We gonna start bailing out every type of music venue in town?

To me the aquarium is more of a combination... educational tool, recreational facility, area attraction, cultural and entertainment asset, than it is a for profit business venture like the Riverwalk.

Yes,educational. Recreational? For Profit? I am missing something here....

Look at the historical chain of events that unfolded on the Jenks Aquarium and you will understand the original intent was to operate profitably only to be undone by poor planning and subsequently BAILED out by 2025. It's simple to comprehend unless you think we are some Midwest magnet for tourism which we are not and never will be.

Jenks....a name that fits. But they spelled it wrong. It's jinxed because it's on the wrong side of the river..but I love that dirty water!!!

Oh dont be a dork, you know full well what I meant about the difference between a for profit and a non profit venture. I am sure any non profit would love to make a profit and may hope to do so, but its not their purpose for being and even if they do intend to make a profit its not money that would go in an investors pocket it would go back into the venture.

The aquarium in the beginning was built with donations, volunteers, giving from foundations, etc. not investors expecting a financial return.

Jenks on the "wrong side of the river"???


"dirty water"?  What are you a little 5 year old girl? Its a RIVER not a mountain stream.  Rivers carry DIRT, they call it sand and silt. Did you know that fish pee and poop in the river too? eeeew icky   What do you want to happen with the river, clean out all the sand, polish the bottom and filter out all the "dirt" coming into it?  What next?  "I want the the whoooole world to be covered in glitter.",says oax while looking dreamily into space and batting eyelashes.  

[aoxamaxoa]

Fartist, try to be civil. Jenks or Jinxed, it's always been the laughing stock of south Tulsa. It's gone from World Evengelic Center (covered in gold glitter) to Fish Fry. Not to forget our antique shopping center.

Look. Even with donations and non profit status, the deal would have died a slow death without the belts and suspenders provided through Vision 2025.

Wise up. You sound like the Jinx Chamber boy. Lighten up too....the suburb supports our best Public schools. It's not all bad.

[BKDotCom]

quote:Originally posted by jiminy
I think this may be your answer: Gephyrophobia

I think the answer is "Troll Boy"

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

Fartist, try to be civil. Jenks or Jinxed, it's always been the laughing stock of south Tulsa. It's gone from World Evengelic Center (covered in gold glitter) to Fish Fry. Not to forget our antique shopping center.

Look. Even with donations and non profit status, the deal would have died a slow death without the belts and suspenders provided through Vision 2025.

Wise up. You sound like the Jinx Chamber boy. Lighten up too....the suburb supports our best Public schools. It's not all bad.

Lighten up and be civil?  I thought I was being quite humorous. Perhaps I should have added some of these at the end...[][][] to cue you in.

[waterboy]

Fartist? That's humorous in itself.

Aox I think Jenks has passed by your evangelical/laughingstock description. It reminds me of when I worked for a couple of years in BA during its meteoric growth. Jenks is an arrogant younger brother who spouts off to the bullies cause he knows his big brother (Tulsa) will kick donkey if he needs it.

I watched the Aquarium process unfold too and I doubt it would have survived without help from the city of Jenks and the V2025. But survive it did and now serves as the linch pin for development in that area. Riverwalk is a success by the standards it needed to meet. Jenks is growing up like a spoiled Cascia kid and is enjoying the money and attention. Hard to consider a laughingstock when they score the big catches.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



Aox I think Jenks has passed by your evangelical/laughingstock description.

Hard to consider a laughingstock when they score the big catches.

Indeed, when looking at Jenks, Broken Arrow, and Tulsa.  If there is a laughing stock among the three, it has to be Tulsa.