BUH-BYE Heavenly Hospitality

[citizen of the world]

But the trains ARE too loud.  Need to upgrade to vehicle-hardened gates so the engineers don't have to blow their horns at every downtown crossing.  That would boost downtown residential development potential and enhance the hotel experience for guests who want to sleep at night.  

Moving a transit station or dictating removal of unsightly buildings nearby is not only obnoxious, it's ridiculous.  That kind of cocky behavior by a developer wouldn't fly in any U.S. city of Tulsa's size or larger.  But the train horns are a real concern for a hotel or residential developer because it's a real concern for the 'buyer', whether it's a for a condo, a hotel room or an apartment.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

^ Just speaking from personal experience.  I once believed those stories, but now realize they weren't true.  May be for most, but there is no assurance its that way for everyone, and thus if the analogy holds true, for everyplace. And you shouldn't tell people a lie and get their hopes up.

Buck up little camper. In order to attract a suitor you have to go to the party, offer something that is attractive to a potential and then spend some time finding out if you are compatible. We'll go to more parties..we aren't giving up just because we broke up with one lousy candidate that complained about the way our butt looked in our favorite jeans and told us our trains were too loud.

Possibly look into someone other than The Metro Chamber, "and all of it's ulterior motives" be the matchmaker.........

What about that fellow off "Starsky and Hutch" Silky or Huggy Bear whatever his name was..

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[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by citizen of the world

But the trains ARE too loud.  Need to upgrade to vehicle-hardened gates so the engineers don't have to blow their horns at every downtown crossing.  That would boost downtown residential development potential and enhance the hotel experience for guests who want to sleep at night.  

The train issue was already being taken care of before Heavenly ever made their proposal.
Link:
http://www.vision2025.info/includes/pages/updateddwtntulsamap/uploads/0/file.pdf

[citizen of the world]

Perspicuity,

Thanks for the map reference.  Do you know if there are any train crossings between the last intersection to the left side of the map (Guthrie) going towards the river?  If so, it obviously wouldn't be part of the V2025 plan.  

I was staying at the McBirney Mansion Inn in early December and it sounded like the train horns started blowing down closer by the river and then continued on through downtown.  

Thanks

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by citizen of the world

Perspicuity,

Thanks for the map reference.  Do you know if there are any train crossings between the last intersection to the left side of the map (Guthrie) going towards the river?  If so, it obviously wouldn't be part of the V2025 plan.  

I was staying at the McBirney Mansion Inn in early December and it sounded like the train horns started blowing down closer by the river and then continued on through downtown.  

Thanks

I don't know if there are any other quiet zones.  I agree, it would make sense to implement a quiet zone near the river.  Could you explain the vehicle-hardened gates you were talking about earlier?

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85
Could you explain the vehicle-hardened gates you were talking about earlier?

Whoa, I was over-thinking there.  Vehicle-hardened gates are just the crossing bars that extend downward when the train is coming, right?

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85
Could you explain the vehicle-hardened gates you were talking about earlier?

Whoa, I was over-thinking there.  Vehicle-hardened gates are just the crossing bars that extend downward when the train is coming, right?

Yep. Trains blow their whistles to warn traffic. By installing vehicle-hardened gates, there isn't a concern about vehicles getting onto the tracks, so no need to blow the whistle. So to have a train quiet zone, the vehicle-hardened gates are required by federal law.

[citizen of the world]

Here is a link to a document that shows pictures of the various Supplemental Safety Measure (SSM):

http://www.rrcity.com/quiet_zone.pdf

Here's a link to the DOT where the whole thing is explained but without any photo examples:

http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/1318