Riot Memorial

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

quote:Originally posted by Porky

I'd rather see a Trail of Tears memorial/museum built. Every time I hear that race riot museum brought up, it reminds me of the Whiners on Saturday Night Live.

Well, then write your Congressman.

Don't be a bigot about it.

Why? The Cherokees are doing it with their own money. Unlike you white and black people wanting a handout from government to build it for you. Build it, I'm all for it but pay for it yourself.

The Cherokee Nation is...which is a separate government. You know...like how the City of Tulsa represents black people. Get it?

And you've got no proof they wouldn't be using federal grants (on top of their own money) to build a memorial for the Trail of Tears. Which would really hurt your bigoted points/arguments.

[cannon_fodder]

[damnit, I closed the firefox tab by mistake and lost my post... starting over]

Yes, by my logic they should pay for it themselves.

However, to make a distinction that only a lawyer can appreciate; the Cherokees suffered from express government action that was even against the dictate of the Supreme Court of the United States.  The race riot was a result public sentiment and a insufficient amount of governmental action.  The difference between action and inaction is only further widened by the mandate of the highest court... which was ignored in the case of the Cherokees.

Anyway, the funding measure for such a thing would more than likely be funded in part by the federal government, the city, and the Cherokee nation probably in conjunction with their Cultural Center (much like a TIF I suppose).  

I guess in the end of the day I do think the forced removal of 17,000 Cherokee and the taking of their lands after they had fully complied with a repressive federal treaty is a greater travesty than the inaction of a city/county government to protect several hundred citizens. 4,000 dead because of government action v. 400 because of inaction.  24 Blocks of property destroyed v. thousands of acres stolen for gold.  Then again, this is comparing one horrible act to another, which is a petty endeavor.

and FYI, the trail was several exodus' that took various routes with various ending places including Fort Smith, Evansville, and the majority in Tehlequah.  I was under the impression that the tribe chose the Council Oak to restart their new lives in what is now downtown Tulsa.  There is already a Georgia state park and memorial dedicated to the trail, since they started it and all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears#Gold_rush_and_court_cases

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588


Which begs the question on why Porky and other dismissers of the Tulsa Race Riot Memorial suddenly care about another event that didn't happen here.

I have no problem with this memorial as long as taxes aren't used to pay for it.

The Trail of Tears center is being paid for by the Cherokees and not with tax dollars.

As another poster stated if the Black/White Community was putting private funding into this Race Riot Memorial I too may see where a city tax would be allowed to contribute but just an out right total funding of this project through taxation is completely wrong in my opinion, as any other Memorial.

And as far as where the Cherokees settled along the Trail of Tears, they settled all over the place. In Territory's that are now Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas and Oklahoma. Some of the rich ones even went on up to Ohio to settle.

[cannon_fodder]

Side Note:  The Cherokee's relocated with 2,000 African slaves that they owned. So I guess they need a memorial too.  Memorials for all!

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quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Side Note:  The Cherokee's relocated with 2,000 African slaves that they owned. So I guess they need a memorial too.  Memorials for all!

yeah, isnt that why Muscogee has a black concentration?

[mdunn]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Side Note:  The Cherokee's relocated with 2,000 African slaves that they owned. So I guess they need a memorial too.  Memorials for all!

The africans demanded 401ks and healthcare,now they have mexicans!

[TTownHomeboy]

WOW!!!  I usuaslly sit in the background and read, seeing where people are coming from.  But wow! Where to begin?

1. I was initially pleased to see that there were those on this board who were taking the time to learn the truth about Tulsa's ugly little secret.  An event that really isn't a secret anymore, but with recent exposure the last few years is known world wide.  The exposure spurred the report and the more recent efforts by a certain politician.

2. Although the report contains good detail, it certainly left out some of the more gross acts.  These were left out because they could not be "verified".  I guess first hand accounts were not enough. rwarn is correct, it was domestic terrorism.  The worst act since WWII.  And the government did play an active role by deputizing the mob that destroyed.

3. I knew that negative opinions would materialize. But, I am shocked to the extent. I am especially dis-heartened to know that it still exists in the city where it occurred. Some say that why should generations removed pay for it.  Or, I know about it, why a memorial.  But the point is, the community as a whole has not acknowledged it..for GENERATIONS! You have to acknowledge it before you get over it!  And that hasn't happened in Tulsa!  As seen in our current race relations.

4. The Black Community should pay for it..Porky can kiss my @ss because we know that Indian Tribes are now benefiting enormously from arrangments that US Government has made as means of "Compensation".  Casinos, Smoke Shops, etc. That's why they have funds to build whatever they want. I have never had a problem with the Tribes getting these sweet deals.  Because I feel that there is a certain compensation due them.  But can I quantify that?  No!  And no one can.  So whatever they get, I take with a grain of salt and live my life.

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Nothing to see here, move along.

[Porky]

Nothing here either

[brunoflipper]

i smell a thread-lock

Hopefully it can be avoided.

[TTownHomeboy]

I mistyped...NOT since WWII has there been that type of Domestic Terrorism.

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[perspicuity85]

What all of the memorial naysayers are forgetting here is that the memorial is meant to be for the vicitms of the race riot.  The memorial isn't for you and it certainly isn't meant to be some sort of tourist attraction.  If you were the victim of a terrible tragedy would you just want everyone to forget about it, or would you want the event to be remembered, so that future generations could learn from the mistakes of their ancestors?  

I suppose the rest of the world should have just forgot about the Holocaust, too.  I mean I've heard all about it so why should anyone else need to?  Besides I'm not Jewish anyway, what about my people's struggle?  We have problems too ya know!!!

There isn't enough sarcasm in the world for you people.  Who do you think you are?

[tim huntzinger]

Sullivan's modus operandi: Declaring victory by press release.  Remember SONIA (Secure Our Nation's Interior Act)?  Sullivan's victory is not ushering the Bill to completion, his 'victory' was submitting the Bill and then using a straw man 'some people don't like this' to make himself look like a hero.

[cannon_fodder]

I think that counts.  I think comparing Tulsa race riot to the Holocaust is essentially calling one party a Nazi.

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law and declare this conversation over.