View from the Left: Hillary, Barack and John

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Huey Long. [}:)]

The prince of American socialism.

I'm guessing ya gotta be Cajun to understand the popularity of that prince.

And I'm guessing that YOU should live in Louisiana to understand that it's not all Cajun!

You gotta understand, Waterboy thinks all the Confederate flag stands for is "defiance" and there are no racial undertones when red necks fly it.  He's real knowledgeable about the South.

The Confederate Flag is a cultural symbol that has in the last few deecades been hijacked and misappropriated by various extremist groups. Long ago, it was respected as a flag of a nation, and in the right minds today, should be considereda part of a long and rich and glorious heritage. But it has been way misused and exploited by every racial extremist group, and people have lost sight of that history.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I thought Hillary was Soros' b!tch.

Soros parted ways with Hillary when he found out that Edwards was willing to push his agenda.  If you look at Edwards, he's become more radical over the last year than at any time previous.  He's rabidly anti-war and considers the WOT to a figment of our imagination.  Two things he was not just a little more than a year ago.

Money talks when it comes to politics and presidential races and moveon.org is pushing Edwards.  Moveon is Soros' baby.  Since Soros can't give outrageous amounts money to Edwards, he offsets that with activities on moveon.org, I.E. smearing other candidates and allowing Edwards a primary position with time and advertising.

[mr.jaynes]

Southern does not equal "racist." It's just that there were a number of bad apples down here that made the rest of us look bad. And hey, I don't claim them. They are an affront to my very nature.

The Confederate Flag is not a symbol of racism, and those adherents to racist ideologies insult the very history of that flag when they include it in their vile theatrics.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Southern does not equal "racist." It's just that there were a number of bad apples down here that made the rest of us look bad. And hey, I don't claim them. They are an affront to my very nature.

The Confederate Flag is not a symbol of racism, and those adherents to racist ideologies insult the very history of that flag when they include it in their vile theatrics.

Well it was a symbol of a nation that favored slavory over freedom for black people.

Hate groups hi-jacking the image just reinforces the ideology it represented.  

That's all IMO, of course.

[rwarn17588]

It's a red, white and blue flag, but it ain't ours.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Southern does not equal "racist." It's just that there were a number of bad apples down here that made the rest of us look bad. And hey, I don't claim them. They are an affront to my very nature.

The Confederate Flag is not a symbol of racism, and those adherents to racist ideologies insult the very history of that flag when they include it in their vile theatrics.

Well it was a symbol of a nation that favored slavory over freedom for black people.

Hate groups hi-jacking the image just reinforces the ideology it represented.  

That's all IMO, of course.

Rest assured, friend Conan, that I abhor slavery (I don't like the idea that one person should be allowed to dominate other peopless like that) and that as an American, I do not favor secession. I am also not an adherent to the ideologies of Southern Nationalism, neo-Confederate revisionism, or anything that would cast my region or its citizens in a bad light. They are an affront to this country, and to the region they claim to represent.

My interest in Southern history and all that goes with it is strictly cultural, not political. Please, do not think less of me.

[Conan71]

I don't think any less of you at all, we all have our opinions and I haven't pegged you for a racist by any means.  I've carried with me a negative image of the Confederate flag ever since I first read about the Civil War in grade school.

My brother had an opportunity to move to Mobile, Al. about 12 years ago to manage an office for City Finance.  Instead, he wound up managing the office in Seminole, Ok.

I said: "Are you nuggin' futz?"  He said he didn't want to move to an area where black people were still covertly or otherwise thought of as being sub-human.  

I don't know if that's the case or not in Mobile, but I can relate to when I used to travel to Memphis on business around that same time-frame.  If I called on a white operating engineer (the guy that runs the mechanical systems like heat & air) for a property management company, he could make a purchasing decision without going to a property manager.  If it was a black operating engineer, he always had to get approval from the white property manager.  It's subtle, but it's still an element of racism, IMO.

You live in the south, do you see much subtle racism still?  Not a loaded question, just curious.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I don't think any less of you at all, we all have our opinions and I haven't pegged you for a racist by any means.  I've carried with me a negative image of the Confederate flag ever since I first read about the Civil War in grade school.

My brother had an opportunity to move to Mobile, Al. about 12 years ago to manage an office for City Finance.  Instead, he wound up managing the office in Seminole, Ok.

I said: "Are you nuggin' futz?"  He said he didn't want to move to an area where black people were still covertly or otherwise thought of as being sub-human.  

I don't know if that's the case or not in Mobile, but I can relate to when I used to travel to Memphis on business around that same time-frame.  If I called on a white operating engineer (the guy that runs the mechanical systems like heat & air) for a property management company, he could make a purchasing decision without going to a property manager.  If it was a black operating engineer, he always had to get approval from the white property manager.  It's subtle, but it's still an element of racism, IMO.

You live in the south, do you see much subtle racism still?  Not a loaded question, just curious.

Race isn't the problematic issue it once was down in these parts, not from what I get (but then, I tend to roll with a pretty wild crowd). Oh, sure, every so often, you'll hear this slur or that (just not from me), either subtle or outright-and not just from whites, but from black people too and every other color. But then, that's everywhere, not just down South.  

Me, I've always tended to get on well with everyone, regardless of who or what they are. I have friends who happen to be black, white, hispanic, oriental, gay, straight, male, female. Some of my best friends are people.  

Mobile, I've been-they have an excellent Mardi Gras, which is even older than the celebrations held in New Orleans. Not as fun, though.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Some of my best friends are people.  

Me too, what a coincidence! [}:)]

I guess the point I'm pressing about racism, is do you have a sense of, let's say white dealers being more trusted than black dealers in the casinos?

I just had a sense when I would work down in Memphis that unless a black man was wearing a $700 suit behind a mahogany desk that his superiors didn't think he was smart enough to make good decisions.  IOW- At least in similar skilled or blue collar positions, a black man was never given all the same responsibilities as a white man.

I admit to some racial stereotyping of my own.  I don't think there are many people who can say they are completely innocent of it.  If a black kid is trolling the parking lot at QT with pants hanging down below his butt, I assume he's a gangsta and up to no good.  I assume the same thing of a white kid dressed the same way with his hat turned crooked, all blinged up.  Either may well be a straight-A student at Holland Hall, but I've built a paradigm over the years.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Some of my best friends are people.  

Me too, what a coincidence! [}:)]

I guess the point I'm pressing about racism, is do you have a sense of, let's say white dealers being more trusted than black dealers in the casinos?

We all go through the same extensive background checks, regardless of race age or gender, and they drop they surveillance on all of us just as zealously. And that's OK, because we are talking about alot of money here.