Oklahomans for Sovereignty and Free Enterprise

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

"Our wages aren't high enough, pay us more!"

"Why are all of our jobs going over seas?"

"I'm an unbelievably greedy, robber barron dressed like a monopoly guy (with monacle) who would short sell my mother's retirement account if it would make me a buck."

- The three are related.

Who is the greedy one, the company that moves over seas or the worker's that drive it there?  Clearly there are situations where either may be at fault.  But it really doesnt matter.

As TheArtist pointed out, it has and will always happen.  Frankly, a corporation exists to create wealth.  That's its entire purpose for existing.  Ancillary to that, it employs people and makes goods or provides services.  It is not greedy for the managers of a company to do their job and carry out the purpose of the company.

Is anyone applauding Detroit for giving labor everything they wanted for decades?  No.  The result at the end of the day is that everyone loses.  The company, the shareholders, and the workers have all lost.

Is anyone applauding firms that pay as little as they can while raking in profits?  No.  The result is disgruntled workers that leave.  The company can only get the marginal employees and goes to crap.

At the end of the day it is a labor market.  Companies need to pay what the labor is worth and workers need to improve the product they sell (their labor).  Any dance outside the market for very long in either direction results in damage to both the company and the workers.

[MichaelC]

Sure lets pit labor against corporations, the gov't has nothing to do with it.  Let's open the borders to absolute free trade, let's crush labor unions whenever possible, and by God let's reduce corporate taxes to zero because holy crap none of it will effect workers.  If it does, we can cry about it and blame Hispanics.  They're easy targets.

This is a damn game, and the gov't is on the side of corporations.  It has not always been this way, and it doesn't have to be this way.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder



Who is the greedy one, the company that moves over seas or the worker's that drive it there?  Clearly there are situations where either may be at fault.  But it really doesnt matter.

As TheArtist pointed out, it has and will always happen.  Frankly, a corporation exists to create wealth.  That's its entire purpose for existing.  Ancillary to that, it employs people and makes goods or provides services.  It is not greedy for the managers of a company to do their job and carry out the purpose of the company.

Is anyone applauding Detroit for giving labor everything they wanted for decades?  No.  The result at the end of the day is that everyone loses.  The company, the shareholders, and the workers have all lost.

Is anyone applauding firms that pay as little as they can while raking in profits?  No.  The result is disgruntled workers that leave.  The company can only get the marginal employees and goes to crap.

At the end of the day it is a labor market.  Companies need to pay what the labor is worth and workers need to improve the product they sell (their labor).  Any dance outside the market for very long in either direction results in damage to both the company and the workers.

I'm fine with this response because you acknowledge that ownership is an integral part of this dynamic.  And yes, the dialectic struggle has always been there and always will be.

I was simple frowning [] on your one-sided, narrow, portrayal of the American laborer.  If corporations "had a heart", then we wouldn't need labor unions, or government for that matter.  But you correctly point out that a corporation's only purpose is profit.  Thus, you'll always see labor unions "pushing back" and governments stepping in and placing the ball where they feel like it.