Girl Scout Murders in Locust Grove -- any tips?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by Steve


Oh really Porky.  Would you be willing to testify your knowledge as to the facts of this case in a court of law?

Sure

quote:  Why are you not in the DA's office right now attempting to close this case?

Because I've been watching the Democrat Debate of OETA, I didn't know they wanted to hear from me.

btw....Hillary said on there that the rich should continue paying only 15% in tax, while the middle class should pay much more. But that's another issue......

quote:All of your comments are just vapid heresay.

Not at all but make of it as you wish.

Here's the deal Steve and I'm sure you will find argument with it but that's fine with me because you and others are looking for the truth.

I got a 2nd job back when all of this happened, at a place called U-Totem in Dewey, Okla. They required a polygraph test before getting hired. I don't know if you have ever had one of these lie detector test Steve but I told the guy doing it that I now know what it's like being raped of ones self. Unless you have had one of these Steve, you will have no idea what I'm talking about. Unless you have been raped and your soul has been tossed to the curb.

Anyways.........once it was over the guy giving the polygraph and I started to chat and it was at this time that he told me the story I had mentioned earlier about Gene Leroy Hart.

That's all there is Steve but if you feel I'm a liar.....well meet me and we can discuss the issue between each other. [^]

Ever dawn on you that the polygraph operator may have been a pathological liar? [}:)][}:)]

[rwarn17588]

The reason polygraph tests aren't admissible in court is because they're notoriously unreliable and inaccurate.

Polygraph results are barely better than flipping a coin.

It's just as well courts won't use them. I don't want a tool that's barely better than 50-50 in accuracy.

[Sardonicus Rex]

If you can find a copy anywhere, read "Someone Cry for the Children." It's a book written by Mike Wilkerson, one of the lead OSBI investigators. Granted, it's got an understandable bias toward the law-enforcement side, but it certainly lends credability to the very real possibility that Hart killed those girls.

[needthetruth]

Breadburner & Porky,
I'd love to discuss this more with you two...well anyone for that matter.

Breadburner what makes you so positive? Jurors heard all the evidence and they weren't positive. Have you heard of William Stevens? If you could convince me, that would be great, then I wouldn't have to wonder what the real killer is out doing if he/she/they are still alive.

Porky, I've read a lot of stuff on this case and I don't think I've ever seen where Gene Leroy Hart even TOOK a lie detector test. They weren't required and I don't think he volunteered. Maybe you know something I don't know, but I'd love to talk to the guy you say gave him the test. Do you have his contact information?

My email is needthetruth@gmail.com I would love to hear from ANYONE on this matter.

My homepage is also a message board about the case if you want to discuss it there.

home page

The families deserve to have this solved. The community deserves to have this solved. The killer(s) deserve to pay their due. If you can help or just want to discuss it, contact me.

Thanks

[needthetruth]

quote:Originally posted by Sardonicus Rex

If you can find a copy anywhere, read "Someone Cry for the Children." It's a book written by Mike Wilkerson, one of the lead OSBI investigators. Granted, it's got an understandable bias toward the law-enforcement side, but it certainly lends credability to the very real possibility that Hart killed those girls.

That is a very one-sided book with a lot of things that just don't add up when you know all the facts. The Wilkerson's have Hart running through the woods and sleeping in caves where he leaves all this critical evidence behind for whatever reason. I've talked to people I trust that have told me they know family members that were keeping him at houses (just like the one he was found in eventually) and he never spent a night in the woods.  Kinda makes the stuff found in the caves looked planted doesn't it? I don't know if it was or wasn't, but I do know the more you dig or information the more the glossed over versions of the books just don't hold water.

[Conan71]

Chances are, if Gene Hart did not do it, whomever did do it likely would have done it again and may well be serving time for another murder(s) elsewhere.  That was not a crime of opportunity.  Everything about it suggested there was something sick and perverted in the killer's mind, not unlike that of a serial killer.  I'm talking along the lines of a Ted Bundy type mental state.

At that time the only suspect in the area they could develop was GLH since he was an excapee and he had been convicted of previous rapes.  I always had doubts that they had cut their investigation short.

It's never been beyond rural law enforcement to make the evidence fit the suspect.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by needthetruth



Porky, I've read a lot of stuff on this case and I don't think I've ever seen where Gene Leroy Hart even TOOK a lie detector test. They weren't required and I don't think he volunteered. Maybe you know something I don't know, but I'd love to talk to the guy you say gave him the test. Do you have his contact information?

I'm not here to argue with you, just told you what I know. You might want to check with U Totem stores if there still around and see what firm they use to use for the polygraphs. Dewey is in Washington county if that would be any help.

Nice site you built and awesome job in gathering the information you have on there.

btw....I know one of the girls that was killed brother. He said they felt Hart did it.

[needthetruth]

yeah Porky, I'm not here to argue either. I just thought you might know the guy's name. I really don't think he took a test & I'm positive he didn't take one that was known by the prosecutors.

Hart very well could have done it. I have no idea after all I've read on the case. The evidence presented at trial was sure not enough to get a conviction though.

Hopefully something comes from the site. If you (or anyone else) has any suggestions please let me know.
Thanks

[Goodpasture]

quote:Originally posted by needthetruth

Hart very well could have done it. I have no idea after all I've read on the case. The evidence presented at trial was sure not enough to get a conviction though.

1st regarding the lie detector. Hart was a long term criminal with several convictions and probably more things that he was never charged with in his background. I would imagine he never heard a question he could answer with the truth. A lie detector on someone like that would be a waste of time.

2nd, When those kids were killed, Hart was in Tulsa at his uncles place. this is the story the way I heard it.

My mother-in-law at the time (she is in poor health and in a nursing home in Coweta now) was the office staff for Pump Valve Specialties, a foundry off 4th, between Peoria and Utica. A lot of their labor came from Salina, Locust Grove, etc, and you would never know who was coming to work on Monday after payday, and every Friday was a payday. Some of the workers rented rooms in those houses west of Whittier Square. As my mother-in-law claimed to be Cherokee, occasionally the workers would visit with her on lunch break. One in particular, a couple of days after Hart as arrested, was sitting there and told her that they got the wrong guy. When she asked how he knew, he said Hart was his nephew and he was hiding from the law, in his room in Tulsa when the killings happened. About 4 months later, the uncle died, although I am not aware of the circumstances. I do recall my mother-in-law being deposed, but I don't believe she was ever called to testify.

[needthetruth]

interesting information...Do you think your mother-in-law would be willing to tell her story again or is her health too poor?

If you would email me at needthetruth@gmail.com.

Thanks!

For everyone else, there are stories of Hart being in other places at the time of the murders. There are stories of him being right beside the camp the morning of the murders. It's a lot to sort out and the truth is hiding in there somewhere.

If it were my child, I'd want someone to keep trying to figure it out.