WHAT IF 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS VACATED AMERICA?

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Double A Said:
When these dire predictions materialize we simply expedite the process for legal immigration to fill those jobs clearing the backlog of immigrants patiently waiting to migrate legally.

First, they are not dire predictions, its just a cold fact.  I'm not crying doom and gloom, just pointing out that we simply do not have the workforce to cover it if even 10mil workers left.  We would need to see double our unemployment to even handle that.

and we can not wait for this to happen before we do something.  Shutting down that much industry and agriculture and then trying to fix the problem would be a larger disaster than we currently have.  We need to do something about it NOW - not wait until disaster strikes.

But I wholeheartedly agree with you that we need to fix the stupid immigration system to fill our demand for labor and placate the supply of immigrants LEGALLY.  Under the current system legal applicants are getting screwed.  If it was a choice of waiting 5 years and hoping to get in or just walking over I'd be here illegally too I'm afraid.  But I am afraid most laborer who want to immigrate from Latin America have already come over - legally or otherwise.

Mostly because our system is retarded and probably going to get worse.

[sauerkraut]

If 20 million illegals left, our nation would have a increase in wages and standard of living. it would save $22,000 for every illegal that is sent back. A big loss would be had in insured drives on the road saving many lives. many jobs would open up for U.S. legal residents. The teenagers would be able to find work, many teens today can't find jobs in restaurants anymore because the restaurants like to hire illegals instead of legal people. The loss of 20 million illegals would be a blessing to every legal resident. or so it seems to me. thanx.

[rwarn17588]

Sending 12 or 20 million illegal immigrants back to Mexico ain't going to happen, so you can let go of that fantasy.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

"You know what would happen?  A great big, giant, sucking sound.  You know what that sound is???  It's 20 million Mexicans and their illegal neighbors from the south of them migratin' back home where they belong!  See, I tried to tell you NAFTA would screw us sendin' all those jobs south o' the border.  I was wrong.  They pay wages my dog wouldn't work for, hell all the workers came here."

"I'm Ross Perot and I approved this message."

We are seeing a bit of a micro-experiment of what would happen right here in Oklahoma.  I work on several projects and have to coordinate earth-work and landscape contractors to some extent.  

As most of you know many of Oklahoma's illegals have flead the state in anticipation of strict state restrictions, and as a response to the new laws.  

At first my contractors were haveing a hard time finding labor.  Many of them raised thier rates and I worried about the quality and timeleness of the service they could provide because I have allways been impressed by the work ethic of our Hispanic work force.  

Well I've been proven wrong.  For the most part the work is as good or better, and communication is certanly better.  I find that I am not deciminating information through several people and loosing complex concepts in translation.  I can get the cell phone # of the guy doing the work and call him with changes or corrections.  It's actually quite nice.  At first we got a little behind, but now most of the projects are ahead of schedule.

Much of the force is still Hispanic, but they are legal and most of them speak very good English.  I am also seeing a big increase in college kids and female workers.

Is anyone else experiencing this?

This is what I have been trying to explain but some people just want to ignore the facts....It's going to take some time but the trades will become a way to make money and raise a family like it use to be.....

Amen. I wonder if any of these home builders and construction companies who are crying wolf about skilled worker shortages have called the building trades unions in search of employees?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Double A Said:
When these dire predictions materialize we simply expedite the process for legal immigration to fill those jobs clearing the backlog of immigrants patiently waiting to migrate legally.

First, they are not dire predictions, its just a cold fact.  I'm not crying doom and gloom, just pointing out that we simply do not have the workforce to cover it if even 10mil workers left.  We would need to see double our unemployment to even handle that.

and we can not wait for this to happen before we do something.  Shutting down that much industry and agriculture and then trying to fix the problem would be a larger disaster than we currently have.  We need to do something about it NOW - not wait until disaster strikes.

But I wholeheartedly agree with you that we need to fix the stupid immigration system to fill our demand for labor and placate the supply of immigrants LEGALLY.  Under the current system legal applicants are getting screwed.  If it was a choice of waiting 5 years and hoping to get in or just walking over I'd be here illegally too I'm afraid.  But I am afraid most laborer who want to immigrate from Latin America have already come over - legally or otherwise.

Mostly because our system is retarded and probably going to get worse.

If they materialize(highly doubtful), we follow the policy I previously mentioned, filling those jobs with immigrants from across the globe, not just Latin America. This is how we preserve the melting pot that is the United States, protect our culture from becoming balkanized, and secure the sovereignty of our nation. It's pretty simple really, nowhere near  genius, reward those who follow the law and punish those who break it. Problem solved.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Sending 12 or 20 million illegal immigrants back to Mexico ain't going to happen, so you can let go of that fantasy.

We can come close to sending that many home if other states enact laws similar to Oklahoma's anti-illegal immigration laws.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

All I know is that I had lunch at the Qdoba on Cherry street today and for the first time I can remember there was a white guy working the register and the hispanic woman who took my order/fixed my naked burrito could actually speak English.

They speak better English than you may realize.

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

All I know is that I had lunch at the Qdoba on Cherry street today and for the first time I can remember there was a white guy working the register and the hispanic woman who took my order/fixed my naked burrito could actually speak English.

They speak better English than you may realize.

Oh... I know. We had our roof replaced last year after some spring storms and the entire crew was  Mexican. Hard workers, but when they messed up something and I noticed it while their foreman was gone I was trying to tell them what the problem was. It was with the ridge vent if you're wondering.

Anyway they were all standing around doing their best "no speak much English" routine until I said "Hmmmmm...guess I should call INS to see if you guys are even legal."

Amazingly they all suddenly had the ability to speak English and let me know they would fix the problem.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

All I know is that I had lunch at the Qdoba on Cherry street today and for the first time I can remember there was a white guy working the register and the hispanic woman who took my order/fixed my naked burrito could actually speak English.

They speak better English than you may realize.

Oh... I know. We had our roof replaced last year after some spring storms and the entire crew was  Mexican. Hard workers, but when they messed up something and I noticed it while their foreman was gone I was trying to tell them what the problem was. It was with the ridge vent if you're wondering.

Anyway they were all standing around doing their best "no speak much English" routine until I said "Hmmmmm...guess I should call INS to see if you guys are even legal."

Amazingly they all suddenly had the ability to speak English and let me know they would fix the problem.

Ya, nothing triggers one's English abilities like a mention of the INS dropping by for a visit....

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Sending 12 or 20 million illegal immigrants back to Mexico ain't going to happen, so you can let go of that fantasy.

We can make a huge dent in that number if they get real serious about the real threat of illegal aliens to our nation. First, Turn off the magnet drawing illegals up here, seal the border and deport every illegal that is found out,Allow local cops to enforce immigration laws. Many illegals will self deport when they can't get jobs. If 20 million illegals can come here -20 million can go back home. A trip of 1,000 miles starts with a single foot step. The deportation of 20 million illegal aliens starts with the first illegal sent home.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

All I know is that I had lunch at the Qdoba on Cherry street today and for the first time I can remember there was a white guy working the register and the hispanic woman who took my order/fixed my naked burrito could actually speak English.

They speak better English than you may realize.

Oh... I know. We had our roof replaced last year after some spring storms and the entire crew was  Mexican. Hard workers, but when they messed up something and I noticed it while their foreman was gone I was trying to tell them what the problem was. It was with the ridge vent if you're wondering.

Anyway they were all standing around doing their best "no speak much English" routine until I said "Hmmmmm...guess I should call INS to see if you guys are even legal."

Amazingly they all suddenly had the ability to speak English and let me know they would fix the problem.

Indeed, and the employer who hired them did no background checks so you have no idea who those people were. No one knows if they had any roofing skills. A roof needs to be fixed right by skilled people who know what they are doing.