Other states may mimic HB1804

[jamesrage]

No offense to Californian but I do not see California passing any law against illegal immigration,that would be like San Fransisco passing a ordinance against gay pride parades. Although if California did pass such a law it would probably force the surrounding states to pass similar anti-illegal immigration laws too.

http://newsok.com/article/3168090/1194845707

quote:In 12 states across the country, legislators are working on proposals identical to or that closely resemble Oklahoma's House Bill 1804, which took effect Nov. 1.

Some expect that number to exceed 25 by early next year.

"Oklahoma has always been at the forefront of the immigration reform movement," said state Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore. "HB 1804 is a model bill for immigration enforcement through attrition. It's a model, not just for Oklahoma, but for other states."

Terrill's first try at immigration enforcement, HB 3119, was defeated in Oklahoma. Large chunks of it were later used in Georgia, the first to pass state legislation. Then Arizona became first to do so by voter referendum. Oklahoma then revisited immigration reform, borrowing passages from Colorado and Arizona. It added a few more — including a provision that equates firing an American worker while retaining an illegal immigrant worker with economic discrimination.

The Oklahoma Citizens and Taxpayer Act, the toughest immigration enforcement measure in the nation, is apparently being repackaged and duplicated in many states. Oklahoma's landmark "tough on aliens" enforcement measure is reshaping the debate and reinvigorating the ranks of the reform movement.

Mimicking HB 1804
Barbara Nichols of Emporia, Kan., is founder of the Kansas Immigration Reform Effort. Nichols says Kansans might tweak HB 1804 "to better fit Kansas", but something akin to HB 1804 will be introduced at the next legislative session.

"Oklahoma's done all the groundwork as far as getting a bill passed," Nichols said. "And so far, the challenges against 1804 have been thrown out. And that's an advantage to any other state trying to do this."

Nichols' group has expanded into all four quadrants of the state, largely through Internet networks.

Grassroots activism
There are more than 300 anti-illegal immigration groups in the country.

"With the success in Oklahoma, there's been just a fallout of people calling and e-mailing and wanting to know how we did it in Oklahoma," said Carol Helm, founder of Immigration Reform for Oklahoma Now.

In recent months, Helm has advised citizen groups from Kansas, Nebraska, Montana, California, Alabama and New Jersey about immigration enforcement campaigns.

Just last week she was in Florida meeting with a congressional delegation. In South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah, Missouri and Tennessee, she knows there are efforts under way. Recently she was informed that Arkansas is also considering immigration reform.

[Conan71]

Maybe it will finally force the hand of the feds to do their jobs, quit playing politics with the issue, and finally come up with a workable solution on immigration.

If half the states take up such legislation, illegal aliens will flee to other states or back to Mexico.  This is going to do two things: create a shortage of labor in the 25 states which "could" pass such legislation, and will create a glut of illegal immigrants in other states with not enough jobs to go around.

That's pretty much a cataclysm.  D.C. will finally have to get off it's donkey and do something substantive about the problem.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Maybe it will finally force the hand of the feds to do their jobs, quit playing politics with the issue, and finally come up with a workable solution on immigration.

I recall most states passing various measures to deal with spammers; ours was potentially one of the toughest.

Congress decided to consolidate with the Can Spam Act, which essentially neutered tougher state legislation (and re-defined the word "Can").

Not that I think HB1804 will pass a constitutional challenge as a result of abuse (and it will be abused), but we shouldnt just assume Congress is in sync with the people they represent.

[Neptune]

I'm just wondering how it would be possible for any town in this country, to ban a gay pride parade and get away with it.  

Kind of a dumb suggestion altogether, but I would like to see some of these stooges try.  I really would.

[Conan71]

Neptune, pretty much OT here, but why would a city ban a gay pride parade these days?  And why are we discussing this on an HB-1804 thread?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

No offense to Californian but I do not see California passing any law against illegal immigration,that would be like San Fransisco passing a ordinance against gay pride parades. Although if California did pass such a law it would probably force the surrounding states to pass similar anti-illegal immigration laws too.

http://newsok.com/article/3168090/1194845707

quote:In 12 states across the country, legislators are working on proposals identical to or that closely resemble Oklahoma's House Bill 1804, which took effect Nov. 1.

Some expect that number to exceed 25 by early next year.

"Oklahoma has always been at the forefront of the immigration reform movement," said state Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore. "HB 1804 is a model bill for immigration enforcement through attrition. It's a model, not just for Oklahoma, but for other states."

Terrill's first try at immigration enforcement, HB 3119, was defeated in Oklahoma. Large chunks of it were later used in Georgia, the first to pass state legislation. Then Arizona became first to do so by voter referendum. Oklahoma then revisited immigration reform, borrowing passages from Colorado and Arizona. It added a few more — including a provision that equates firing an American worker while retaining an illegal immigrant worker with economic discrimination.

The Oklahoma Citizens and Taxpayer Act, the toughest immigration enforcement measure in the nation, is apparently being repackaged and duplicated in many states. Oklahoma's landmark "tough on aliens" enforcement measure is reshaping the debate and reinvigorating the ranks of the reform movement.

Mimicking HB 1804
Barbara Nichols of Emporia, Kan., is founder of the Kansas Immigration Reform Effort. Nichols says Kansans might tweak HB 1804 "to better fit Kansas", but something akin to HB 1804 will be introduced at the next legislative session.

"Oklahoma's done all the groundwork as far as getting a bill passed," Nichols said. "And so far, the challenges against 1804 have been thrown out. And that's an advantage to any other state trying to do this."

Nichols' group has expanded into all four quadrants of the state, largely through Internet networks.

Grassroots activism
There are more than 300 anti-illegal immigration groups in the country.

"With the success in Oklahoma, there's been just a fallout of people calling and e-mailing and wanting to know how we did it in Oklahoma," said Carol Helm, founder of Immigration Reform for Oklahoma Now.

In recent months, Helm has advised citizen groups from Kansas, Nebraska, Montana, California, Alabama and New Jersey about immigration enforcement campaigns.

Just last week she was in Florida meeting with a congressional delegation. In South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah, Missouri and Tennessee, she knows there are efforts under way. Recently she was informed that Arkansas is also considering immigration reform.

Damn bigots are everywhere.

[Neptune]

Let's see.  I made a reference to the topic, then conan and guido hop in, hmmmmmm.  Nope don't care.

Glad you're on ignore.  Hope your gay-bashing and Hispanic hating goes swimmingly.

Nice post Patric.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

I'm just wondering how it would be possible for any town in this country, to ban a gay pride parade and get away with it.  

Kind of a dumb suggestion altogether, but I would like to see some of these stooges try.  I really would.

It was nothing more than a comparison of something that would never happen.Which is why I said California would pass something like HB1804 like San Francisco passing a no gay parade ordinance.California is very liberal, very pro-illegal and their governor is pro-illegal so a meaningful anti-illegal immigration bill would never pass in California.Sanfransicko is homosexual capital of the country they would never pass a ordinance banning gay pride parades.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Maybe it will finally force the hand of the feds to do their jobs, quit playing politics with the issue, and finally come up with a workable solution on immigration.

If half the states take up such legislation, illegal aliens will flee to other states or back to Mexico.  This is going to do two things: create a shortage of labor in the 25 states which "could" pass such legislation, and will create a glut of illegal immigrants in other states with not enough jobs to go around.

That's pretty much a cataclysm.  D.C. will finally have to get off it's donkey and do something substantive about the problem.

I agree.This is the good thing of HB 1804 being passed.It shows that laws being enforced works and the politicians in office will have no excuses.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

It was nothing more than a comparison of something that would never happen.Which is why I said California would pass something like HB1804 like San Francisco passing a no gay parade ordinance.California is very liberal, very pro-illegal and their governor is pro-illegal so a meaningful anti-illegal immigration bill would never pass in California.Sanfransicko is homosexual capital of the country they would never pass a ordinance banning gay pride parades.

Well, actually, they'd never pass it because it would be illegal to do so.  It'd be illegal for Tulsa to do that.

You know why San Francisco has such a large gay culture?  

It was a port for the fight against Japan in WWII.  Incoming soldiers, just decided to hookup and stay.  Yes, our WWII US Military made San Francisco the "gay capitol" it is today.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

It was nothing more than a comparison of something that would never happen.Which is why I said California would pass something like HB1804 like San Francisco passing a no gay parade ordinance.California is very liberal, very pro-illegal and their governor is pro-illegal so a meaningful anti-illegal immigration bill would never pass in California.Sanfransicko is homosexual capital of the country they would never pass a ordinance banning gay pride parades.

Well, actually, they'd never pass it because it would be illegal to do so.  It'd be illegal for Tulsa to do that.

You know why San Francisco has such a large gay culture?  

It was a port for the fight against Japan in WWII.  Incoming soldiers, just decided to hookup and stay.  Yes, our WWII US Military made San Francisco the "gay capitol" it is today.

I would have to say it is the lack of morals that made Sanfransicko the gay capital of the country.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

I would have to say it is the lack of morals that made Sanfransicko the gay capital of the country.

Check it out.  I'm dead serious.  

Farm boys from Oklahoma, city boys from New York, they were all able to come in contact with other "gay" folk in the US Military.  People that thought they were the only "gay" person around, found out they weren't alone.

That's how it happened.  WWII and an injection of US troops altered San Francisco.

[rwarn17588]

Well, you know what they say:

The difference between a straight Marine and a gay Marine is a six-pack of beer.

[patric]

Dont know if were just seeing a resurgence of nationalist pride in the world, or rather a renewed intolerance for immigrants.

"VANCOUVER – Howls of pain are the last the world hears of a newly arrived immigrant in dramatic video released Wednesday.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=936_1195094875

The images are so explosive Robert Dziekanski's mother, who hasn't seen the whole video, has been driven into seclusion to avoid seeing it repeated on newscasts, her lawyer told The Canadian Press.

But they also raise serious questions about why the police resorted to using the Taser only seconds after encountering the non-violent man last month at the Vancouver airport, and it contradicts what police said happened that night."