Forget Cars, TPD needs a "Take Home Dog Policy!"

[Aa5drvr]

Re the story in the TW today about a TPD officer living in BA whose K-9 got away from him and bit a kid.
Dog wasnt on a leash from reading the article.  

Sounds like the dogs need to live in a kennel where the control is a bit better.  

Or maybe the officer needs to live in a kennel where there is a bit better control over him.

On second thought, that menu selection K9 at my local Asian restaurant yesterday was mighty tasty.

[RecycleMichael]

Northern Asian cuisine could include dogs, but most of Tulsa's Asian food restaurants are south Asian. We have many more from Thailand and Viet Nam than we do from Korea. Our restaurants would be more likely to have served cat than dog (kidding).  

I seriously doubt that any Tulsa restaurant serves meat from domestic dogs or cats. I have  eaten squirrel and turtle meat from Okie restaurants, however. I also went to public schools so I have probably eaten horse (again kidding).

[jne]

BREED BAN on GERMAN SHEPHERDS!

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by jne

BREED BAN on GERMAN SHEPHERDS!

Who's training TPD's German Shepherds, still the K-Z Totenkopf S.S.?  

Same bunch as trained the U.S. Army "guard" dogs at Abu Ghraib Prison, Baghdad??

That TPD dog was TRAINED to inflict grievous bodily harm on suspects.  

It's fairly common occurence around jails and also with unpopular suspects that a ferocious guard dog is brought around to chew on the captives.  

The police jokingly refer to it as Obediance Training (for Citizens).

There is a famous videotape taken in a South Texas County jail a few years ago of supine prisoners, lying in their underware on the floor with their hands behind their heads, being chewed on by a ferocious guard dog.  The bitten prisoners were screaming and writhing in pain.  

The police were looking for alleged contraband, and made the video for "training" purposes.  

Bet the local D.A. REALLY did not want to turn that tape over during pre-trial discover.

The Passaic County NJ Jail was sued so many times over dog bites that finally in exasperation over LOSING so many civil suits, that they supposedly keep the dogs only for external perimeter sweeps now.

Just maybe sneaking one in occasionally for a midnite snack with the prisoners.  All in good fun.

A couple of Prince George's County, Maryland police were sentenced to Federal Prison over intentionally allowing their police dog to repeatedly bite a handcuffed prisoner.  Done to teach him a lesson for taking too much of their time to apprehend the suspect inside of a building at night.

Evidently, a policeman witnessing this act of calculated brutality was so revolvted that he actually turned in his fellow officers to Internal Affairs.


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[cannon_fodder]

Ignoring the leap from purposeful torture of prisoners at the hands of dogs to mistakenly releasing a police dog in a neighborhood...

Police dogs service a very useful purpose.  Aside from allowing the police to ignore search and seizure rules and look anywhere they want (the dog indicated there was contraband = I can look.  How can you prove the dog indicated such in court?  Simple:  the officer says so.) , they are a deterrent to many people.   If needed, they are also VERY good at chasing people down and/or forcing them to surrender (it is better to sick a dog on someone than shoot them/risk a dogs life than a persons).

That said, I would expect an officer to take utmost care with a trained K-9.  The best trained dogs are super passive but for the command, but clearly something set this dog off (ever seen the ring training where they sick and break on command?  Amazing.).  I think taking the dogs out of the officers homes would be a mistake, I want them to be as connected to the handlers as possible as it makes them more likely to obey.  All that is needed is to follow procedures in place and I bet this would not have happened.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Ignoring the leap from purposeful torture of prisoners at the hands of dogs to mistakenly releasing a police dog in a neighborhood...

Police dogs service a very useful purpose.  Aside from allowing the police to ignore search and seizure rules and look anywhere they want (the dog indicated there was contraband = I can look.  How can you prove the dog indicated such in court?  Simple:  the officer says so.) , they are a deterrent to many people.   If needed, they are also VERY good at chasing people down and/or forcing them to surrender (it is better to sick a dog on someone than shoot them/risk a dogs life than a persons).

That said, I would expect an officer to take utmost care with a trained K-9.  The best trained dogs are super passive but for the command, but clearly something set this dog off (ever seen the ring training where they sick and break on command?  Amazing.).  I think taking the dogs out of the officers homes would be a mistake, I want them to be as connected to the handlers as possible as it makes them more likely to obey.  All that is needed is to follow procedures in place and I bet this would not have happened.

Bad dog.

Bad dog needs to be put down.

Bad dog will bite again.  They LIKE the taste.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Ignoring the leap from purposeful torture of prisoners at the hands of dogs to mistakenly releasing a police dog in a neighborhood...

Police dogs service a very useful purpose.  Aside from allowing the police to ignore search and seizure rules and look anywhere they want (the dog indicated there was contraband = I can look.  How can you prove the dog indicated such in court?  Simple:  the officer says so.) , they are a deterrent to many people.   If needed, they are also VERY good at chasing people down and/or forcing them to surrender (it is better to sick a dog on someone than shoot them/risk a dogs life than a persons).

That said, I would expect an officer to take utmost care with a trained K-9.  The best trained dogs are super passive but for the command, but clearly something set this dog off (ever seen the ring training where they sick and break on command?  Amazing.).  I think taking the dogs out of the officers homes would be a mistake, I want them to be as connected to the handlers as possible as it makes them more likely to obey.  All that is needed is to follow procedures in place and I bet this would not have happened.

Dogs are also quite easy to kill. Their skulls crack quite easily, even with your bare hands.

They eat, breath, and bite from the snout area.  That's the only business end they have.

Yes, I agree that a police dog can be made to falsely alert just because the policeman wants a pretext of searching a vehicle.  

It's called Testi-Lying.

A police dog will also alert on an Arby's Super Roast beef sandwich, or alert on a soiled sanitary napkin.  

Their preferance is not known.  Probably the latter.

[Aa5drvr]

>I think taking the dogs out of the officers >homes would be a mistake, I want them to be as >connected to the handlers as possible as it >makes them more likely to obey.

Let the cop live in a Kennel at the TPD Kennel site.  

I WANT them to be close, very close.

I also want the cop leashed.  

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Aa5drvr

>I think taking the dogs out of the officers >homes would be a mistake, I want them to be as >connected to the handlers as possible as it >makes them more likely to obey.

Let the cop live in a Kennel at the TPD Kennel site.  

I WANT them to be close, very close.

I also want the cop leashed.  

WHY even bother with using the damn silly and occasionally DANGEROUS police dogs?

Personally Trained Police Pigs, or PTPP (the FOUR-legged ones), have a much more sensitive nose for detecting contraband smells, and furthermore are much more trainable and are more intelligent than Fido.

The French have used them for centuries sniffing out buried Truffels.

Voila!

They would be known locally with the acronym of the TPD-PTPP.

And, ever HEARD to a pig getting fleas?  Or, attacking ANYTHING other than a bucket of slop?

No, Pigs it is. The TPD-PTPP.

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[rwarn17588]

<Bear wrote:

And, ever HEARD to a pig getting fleas? Or, attacking ANYTHING other than a bucket of slop?

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Yes.

Apparently you've never been in the country.

Hogs, especially boars, are one of the most dangerous animals on the farm. To reiterate this fact to me, my father occasionally told the tale about how a boar killed one of my grandfather's mules. And female swine can be terrifyingly vicious while protecting piglets.

Hogs are strong, smart and sneaky fast. In other words, not to be trifled with.

You may think pigs are sweet and cuddly from the movie "Babe." But folks in agriculture know better.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<Bear wrote:

And, ever HEARD to a pig getting fleas? Or, attacking ANYTHING other than a bucket of slop?

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Yes.

Apparently you've never been in the country.

Hogs, especially boars, are one of the most dangerous animals on the farm. To reiterate this fact to me, my father occasionally told the tale about how a boar killed one of my grandfather's mules. And female swine can be terrifyingly vicious while protecting piglets.

Hogs are strong, smart and sneaky fast. In other words, not to be trifled with.

You may think pigs are sweet and cuddly from the movie "Babe." But folks in agriculture know better.

Even a mother duck or a mother goose can be terrifyingly vicious while protecting their young

"Hogs are strong, smart and sneaky fast. In other words, not to be trifled with."

EXACTLY what we're looking for in our trained pig program!

I just don't hear many stories about a PTPP biting a kid, and requiring 16 stitches.  Maybe knocking a kid over to eat his sack lunch.

Maybe a choate would be more amendable to the TPD-PTPP program?

Regardless, I don't see it happening anytime soon.  The TPD would quickly run out of Taser darts reacting to citizen comments about "what a well-behaved pig you have there officer".......NEVER use the word Pig and Officer in the same sentence!

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[cannon_fodder]

quote:FB unfortunately wrote
A police dog will also alert on an Arby's Super Roast beef sandwich, or alert on a soiled sanitary napkin.

A well trained dog will only alert in such instance as it is trained to do so.  Dogs that hunt truffles only alert on their magic shrooms, cadaver dogs only alert on the smell of rotting flesh, and drugs dogs SHOULD only alert on drugs.

My allegations of impropriety were reserved for the humans involved, who - from time to time int he course of their duties, take the easy way out.  A dog, on the other hand, is only as good as its training.  It knows no ulterior motives.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:FB unfortunately wrote
A police dog will also alert on an Arby's Super Roast beef sandwich, or alert on a soiled sanitary napkin.

A well trained dog will only alert in such instance as it is trained to do so.  Dogs that hunt truffles only alert on their magic shrooms, cadaver dogs only alert on the smell of rotting flesh, and drugs dogs SHOULD only alert on drugs.

My allegations of impropriety were reserved for the humans involved, who - from time to time int he course of their duties, take the easy way out.  A dog, on the other hand, is only as good as its training.  It knows no ulterior motives.

Maybe the TPD can teach their PTPP multi-tasking, if they really are as "strong, smart and sneaky fast" as you say they are.

I expect Chief Palmer would like to transfer Officer Visser to head up this new TPD-PTPP porcine patrol unit, after having fired him  before for police brutality, and about six other things when he and his wife, in a UNMARKED personal car, pulled over and terrorized a family for allegedly tossing something out of the car in their general direction.

See today's Lorton's World for details......

[patric]

Busted!  
A Russian police dog being trained for gentleness.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by patric

Busted!  
A Russian police dog being trained for gentleness.

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