Barack Obama and George McGovern

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Neh, didn't use the patch.  Used Chantix.  I'm two weeks off that and 7 weeks off the nicotine.  I feel great, just not much more tolerant of HT.  I'd hoped I'd become a little more liberal when I quit, hasn't happened yet.

[}:)]

I think it did.....btw, WSJ article today on page D1...Puff Power: Drug warnings Speak to Nics Sad Grip...glad you did not go crazy or kill yourself in the process. Kudos.

Thanks for the article.  Why do you think I quit the Chantix two weeks ago?  12 weeks my donkey.  I would have been in Laureatte if I kept taking it that long.  A friend told me I was the fourth or fifth person they knew who had taken Chantix.  I was the first who could stand to take it for more than three weeks.

My system is still trying to adjust.  I tend to think it's more an after-effect of the body rebelling after being given something daily for 17 years, then cut off from it.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

The fact that we are once again in war and once again in economic difficulty is where the parallels end in my mind. Different kind of war and a more apathetic youth who haven't found their identity other than digital. Obama isnt' really tapping into their youth as much as their dissatisfaction with leadership that has ignored them.

you think their youth is a part of the dissatisfaction?

I think Obama has three advantages (none of which is remotely an endorsement by me):

Youth- self explainatory

Outsider- Least amount of time being polluted by the D.C. establishment.  Although when you look at his career after leaving Harvard, he's been "known" in the DNC and influenced by it.  He's also been carefully polished since he was paraded out at the '04 convention.

Black-  The race thing might well help him amongst white twenty-somethings who can't remember a time when it was considered okay to utter the "N" word.  I believe there might be less aversion these days to electing a black male than white female.  Of course I could be totally wrong and there are a lot of politically-active George Wallace pinheads still out there.

I was thinking about that remark later this morning as I drove around. Perhaps it would be better phrased as dissatisfaction with leadership that has ignored their "interests". As opposed to youth in the early Nixon years that were simply ignored. Youth has no interest in huge deficits they will carry for the rest of their wage earning years, they have no interest in Social Security, racism, sexism and immigration. They have little interest in suburban sprawl and little interest in fighting wars for old white men with vested interests (both congressional and presidential).

I do think the young have been persuaded to be more and more conservative by appealing to their monetary and security interests. Many have fallen prey to false issues with hot button words like gay marriage, "death" taxes, "waves of immigrants" and "hollywood" morals. Of course crime is always good to throw around too. Those key words rely on motivations of fear, jealousy, greed and power. Young people feel cheated when those issues are paraded in front of them and are attracted to any positive message that comes forth.  Those messages appeal more to cynical old farts like you and me. Thus, Obama leads in youth, McCain in age.

Most interesting race I've seen or read about since Kennedy/Nixon. Hometown, you seem very pragmatic about Obama having to soon yield to the machine and take backseat status on the ticket. What that would do to his passionate youth movement? About what happened with McGovern and Paul. Feelings of hopelessness and a retraction from the process can be expected. After Kennedy won, young people of the time became more politically conscious and passionate.

Yes, but I don't want to risk losing the White House simply to keep the young ones enthused.

We haven't seen the press turn against Obama yet but we can count on that happening between now and November.  How will he handle it?  

In fact, what do we really know about Obama?  Not much.  Obama, bless his heart, is one big surprise package.

We know he is one h*** of a speaker but that isn't enough.  How will he stand up to the Swift Boat crowd.  He seemed to have trouble with Bill's light weight punches.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Back seat status?

This will be over after Texass and it won't be Hillary heading to the alter with Barack.

You like that huh? Inspired reference I thought.

Texas? Hillary reminds them of Ann Richardson. Hillary ain't dead yet in shrubville.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

The fact that we are once again in war and once again in economic difficulty is where the parallels end in my mind. Different kind of war and a more apathetic youth who haven't found their identity other than digital. Obama isnt' really tapping into their youth as much as their dissatisfaction with leadership that has ignored them.

you think their youth is a part of the dissatisfaction?

I think Obama has three advantages (none of which is remotely an endorsement by me):

Youth- self explainatory

Outsider- Least amount of time being polluted by the D.C. establishment.  Although when you look at his career after leaving Harvard, he's been "known" in the DNC and influenced by it.  He's also been carefully polished since he was paraded out at the '04 convention.

Black-  The race thing might well help him amongst white twenty-somethings who can't remember a time when it was considered okay to utter the "N" word.  I believe there might be less aversion these days to electing a black male than white female.  Of course I could be totally wrong and there are a lot of politically-active George Wallace pinheads still out there.

I was thinking about that remark later this morning as I drove around. Perhaps it would be better phrased as dissatisfaction with leadership that has ignored their "interests". As opposed to youth in the early Nixon years that were simply ignored. Youth has no interest in huge deficits they will carry for the rest of their wage earning years, they have no interest in Social Security, racism, sexism and immigration. They have little interest in suburban sprawl and little interest in fighting wars for old white men with vested interests (both congressional and presidential).

I do think the young have been persuaded to be more and more conservative by appealing to their monetary and security interests. Many have fallen prey to false issues with hot button words like gay marriage, "death" taxes, "waves of immigrants" and "hollywood" morals. Of course crime is always good to throw around too. Those key words rely on motivations of fear, jealousy, greed and power. Young people feel cheated when those issues are paraded in front of them and are attracted to any positive message that comes forth.  Those messages appeal more to cynical old farts like you and me. Thus, Obama leads in youth, McCain in age.

Most interesting race I've seen or read about since Kennedy/Nixon. Hometown, you seem very pragmatic about Obama having to soon yield to the machine and take backseat status on the ticket. What that would do to his passionate youth movement? About what happened with McGovern and Paul. Feelings of hopelessness and a retraction from the process can be expected. After Kennedy won, young people of the time became more politically conscious and passionate.

Yes, but I don't want to risk losing the White House simply to keep the young ones enthused.

We haven't seen the press turn against Obama yet but we can count on that happening between now and November.  How will he handle it?  

In fact, what do we really know about Obama?  Not much.  Obama, bless his heart, is one big surprise package.

We know he is one h*** of a speaker but that isn't enough.  How will he stand up to the Swift Boat crowd.  He seemed to have trouble with Bill's light weight punches.

I consider those under 30 as the youth i spoke of. Obama's luster is already wearing off for the press. They made reference to he AND his wife's patriotism this evening. Like serving raw meat to opposition while totalling ignoring McCain's stupid remark about Cuba. He said something to the effect that "we should help them gain new freedoms...". Please someone quote it accurately. I wouldn't want to smear him. It sounded like he would welcome another war in our own hemisphere. Kind of like a successful Bay of Pigs? You go, John boy.