New Development:The Mix on Cherry Street

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd



Or even better, put it on one of the dilapidated tracts on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow expressway.  Now that would be infill I could get behind--extend the district and build in vacant space.  

What would you like to see built on those sites?
What type of development would everyone want to be built on that site?

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Floyd



Or even better, put it on one of the dilapidated tracts on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow expressway.  Now that would be infill I could get behind--extend the district and build in vacant space.  

What would you like to see built on those sites?
What type of development would everyone want to be built on that site?

I don't mean to knock this development--it seems fancy and urban and all the things we generally like.  What bothers me is that it is replacing viable structures that currently contribute to the charm and uniqueness of Cherry Street.

So, if you're asking what kind of development I'd like to see on the proposed site, my answer is: none.  Leave the current structures up.  If you're asking what I'd like to see on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow (or north of the BA towards Route 66 and the Pearl, for that matter), my answer would be: the Mix on Cherry Street.  Seems like a nice plan.  I just like what's already there.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Floyd



Or even better, put it on one of the dilapidated tracts on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow expressway.  Now that would be infill I could get behind--extend the district and build in vacant space.  

What would you like to see built on those sites?
What type of development would everyone want to be built on that site?

I don't mean to knock this development--it seems fancy and urban and all the things we generally like.  What bothers me is that it is replacing viable structures that currently contribute to the charm and uniqueness of Cherry Street.

So, if you're asking what kind of development I'd like to see on the proposed site, my answer is: none.  Leave the current structures up.  If you're asking what I'd like to see on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow (or north of the BA towards Route 66 and the Pearl, for that matter), my answer would be: the Mix on Cherry Street.  Seems like a nice plan.  I just like what's already there.

No!  I was asking what you would like to see on the strip of land just north of 15th behind the Long John Silvers and extending to the expressway.

I want to know what people would like to see there!

I don't care if you knock this development, I'm willing to bet it dissolves within the next week!

[wordherder]

Doug Bauer's office said this was part of a deal that fell through and is no longer happening.

[we vs us]

I like it.  Just like the Bomasada project, it's pushing the idea of density, and IMO, Tulsa needs that prospect brought up as much as possible.  Especially in Brookside and Cherry Street, the two areas with the best prospects for developing that whole urban microclimate thing.  

I definitely understand that there's a flavor to both areas that needs protecting, but at the same time, this is definitely a chance for it to evolve, and one building isn't gonna queer the whole deal.  


EDIT:  and looks like just like Bomasada, it's a dead duck, too.  Sigh.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by wordherder

Doug Bauer's office said this was part of a deal that fell through and is no longer happening.

That was quicker than I anticipated!  
Thanks for the info.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Floyd



Or even better, put it on one of the dilapidated tracts on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow expressway.  Now that would be infill I could get behind--extend the district and build in vacant space.  

What would you like to see built on those sites?
What type of development would everyone want to be built on that site?

I don't mean to knock this development--it seems fancy and urban and all the things we generally like.  What bothers me is that it is replacing viable structures that currently contribute to the charm and uniqueness of Cherry Street.

So, if you're asking what kind of development I'd like to see on the proposed site, my answer is: none.  Leave the current structures up.  If you're asking what I'd like to see on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow (or north of the BA towards Route 66 and the Pearl, for that matter), my answer would be: the Mix on Cherry Street.  Seems like a nice plan.  I just like what's already there.

No!  I was asking what you would like to see on the strip of land just north of 15th behind the Long John Silvers and extending to the expressway.

I want to know what people would like to see there!

I don't care if you knock this development, I'm willing to bet it dissolves within the next week!

Well, since you asked . . . []

I think that builders in Tulsa should embrace the "Texas Doughnut" style of development.  http://planningwiki.cyburbia.org/Texas_doughnut

"A Texas Doughnut or Texas Donut is a building or group of buildings, often multi-family residential, that wraps around or encircles a multi-story parking garage.

A Texas Doughnut has the benefit of maintaining an urban streetscape while providing suburban parking ratios."

These kind of developments are typically mixed-use and include retail, entertainment, office space, and of course residential.  They are built to the street and encourage an urban cityscape.  In my ideal world, the ballpark downtown along with other developments will spur a building renaissance whereby all the empty blocks downtown will be filled with developments built on this model.  

Here's a picture of a really big one, taking up a whole city block:



A develpment off of 15th wouldn't be that big, but you get the idea.  Buildings on the outside, parking on the inside.  Shops and businesses on the first floor.  People living upstairs.

[Gaspar]

http://planningwiki.cyburbia.org/Texas_doughnut

I like it.  I'll print it and put it on the wall.  Do you have any other images of this style of development?

[TURobY]

We actually have some apartments downtown that utilize this design. I think they are called the Renaissance Uptown Apartments.

[Renaissance]

Here is a link to a satellite image of the State Thomas neighborhood in Dallas, near downtown.  Zoom in on many of the structures to see their layouts.  You can also click on the "Street View" button to see what the structures look like from ground level and what the feel of the neighborhood is.  

Make it so, good designer!  This could be the East Village in downtown Tulsa in 10 years.  If we institute form-based codes and stop chasing builders away.

Edit: heres the link: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=state+and+allen,+dallas&sll=32.797701,-96.796417&sspn=0.012193,0.014591&ie=UTF8&ll=32.79734,-96.797919&spn=0.006097,0.007296&t=k&z=17

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

We actually have some apartments downtown that utilize this design. I think they are called the Renaissance Uptown Apartments.

Renaissance is similar, although not a true "Texas doughnut."  

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Renaissance+Uptown+Apartments,+tulsa+ok&ie=UTF8&ll=36.147015,-95.992983&spn=0.002928,0.003648&t=k&z=18

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Here is a link to a satellite image of the State Thomas neighborhood in Dallas, near downtown.  Zoom in on many of the structures to see their layouts.  You can also click on the "Street View" button to see what the structures look like from ground level and what the feel of the neighborhood is.  

Make it so, good designer!  This could be the East Village in downtown Tulsa in 10 years.  If we institute form-based codes and stop chasing builders away.

Edit: heres the link: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=state+and+allen,+dallas&sll=32.797701,-96.796417&sspn=0.012193,0.014591&ie=UTF8&ll=32.79734,-96.797919&spn=0.006097,0.007296&t=k&z=17

Thanks!  That's exactly what I needed!  Easy road-trip.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by joiei

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Very nice. Hope this happens. Cherry Street is really starting to pick up steam and develop into quite an attractive area for pedestrian friendly, urban living and the "yp, creative class" set.

And do I get this right... Is the length of the building going north-south? And it will have retail on the first floor?  If so that will be a great addition to begin fleshing out Cherry Street by adding more options other than just whats facing the street.

Something to consider, they are removing 6 small merchants in order to go up.  Will there be 6 small local merchants able to afford the rent in the new building?  I am all for progress, but what is the total cost involved. Merchants should get ready for rent increases.

If I were a neighborhood resident or merchant, I would not be happy about this development.  I think it's a net loss for the district.  When Center 1 went up in Brookside, it replaced an old Wendy's and enhanced the district.  This development is replacing retail and residential with more expensive retail and office.  

I wish they would go buy the car wash or the Long John Silver's and put their faux-warehouse up over there.  Or even better, put it on one of the dilapidated tracts on Peoria between 15th and the Broken Arrow expressway.  Now that would be infill I could get behind--extend the district and build in vacant space.  Don't tear out good, old stuff for expensive new stuff.

This would better in the Pearl district, not on Cherry St.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

ummm... kilkennys, cafe cubana, chimis, the empire, gray snail, chrome, t.a. lorton, zoller...

i mean if you are going to list them, why not list them all?


but, i'm all for it and the rendering appears to have a parking garage... awesome...

wait a minute....
where'd the parking garage go?

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

ummm... kilkennys, cafe cubana, chimis, the empire, gray snail, chrome, t.a. lorton, zoller...

i mean if you are going to list them, why not list them all?


but, i'm all for it and the rendering appears to have a parking garage... awesome...

wait a minute....
where'd the parking garage go?

If there was one, it went where the development went... into the dustbin.