What's next for Hillary?

[FOTD]

Recent MSM reports that if there were a new vote in Cali Obama would win by a large margin.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Thanks, fodder.

I especially like the number seven. I will call it the "Stand By Your Man" or "Tammy Wynette" reason.

Funny, most of your reasons work well in Oklahoma and Arkansas, both states she won. It also fits Kentucky where she is favored next week.

But Hillary won in California, New York, Massachussetts, New Hampshire, etc.

Do you think there are enough of these uneducated and poor folk demographic in Massachussetts to explain why she won by 15% there?

If the Democratic election is about race and gender identity politics, Hillary (and her hard-campaigning ex-president husband) wins.  And she knows it.  But her pandering campaign has to be careful how they use this cynical strategy because it makes her negatives go up... which could explain some of Bill Clinton's more inexplicable comments in South Carolina...

The key to Hillary (and Bill's) strategy has been to polarize Dem voters on the basis of race (dismissing Barack Obama as another Jesse Jackson)... and gender (Hillary's latest quotations of Eleanor Roosevelt--  "A woman is like a tea bag. You never know how strong she is until she gets into hot water.")... and of course, her testicular fortitude... [)]

... Hillary wins because of her gender in New Hampshire, Massachusetts and California... evidently, self-proclaimed feminists don't see the irony in her winning in large part because she was married to a former president and used that relationship as "experience"...

Barack Obama wins because of his ability to transcend race in Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, Idaho, Nebraska, Maine, Vermont...

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The youth vote has not been that influential in the recent past, there just werent enough of my kind, the Gen Xers to make a difference.  But that is changing with the "coming online" of the "millineals". They are the next wave, the next baby boom generation and along with the gen-Xers will have just as much impact on things as the baby boomers did. They tend to be more liberal. Obama is speaking to them, their likes and dislikes, how they think. He may be too early though, just less than a third of this next generation are of voting age right now. This new generation is just gaining its voice. (I think a lot of them were for the river vote here, the "YP's". We even see it in some of the arguments on here, there are differences in just how people think and operate and what they value.) Hillary doesn't seem to know how to speak their language and connect with them. Even if she does plan on running again in the future, more of them will be able to vote and she has started pissing them off. About every 40 years we see a generation shift. We are juuust beginning to see the influence of this next group coming "online" (pardon the pun, but it does point to something of what they are about and how they are different). This next generation may not be able to swing the election this time around (like the river vote lol), but in the next 2 elections you will definitely see the shift. This is also the very group we still need to attract more of and keep here in Tulsa... Someone is going to have to pay the taxes and pay for all those retiring Baby Boomers and fill the jobs.

This is why the Dems must not nominate Hillary.  If they do go against the will of the voters, this will completely alienate the younger generation, and they will feel so betrayed by the Dem Party that they either go elsewhere or quit showing any interest in politics whatsoever.

Bugo, there aren't a whole lot of different places to go.  I would guess that young folks will grow up to vote their pocketbooks.  Now unless they are millionnaires, it would make a lot of sense for them to vote for the party that represents working people -- The Democrats.

Some day I'll have to tell you about the welcome my generation got in Chicago at the Democrat Convention in 1968.  Somehow we kept participating in the process after that no so warm greeting.  

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Recent MSM reports that if there were a new vote in Cali Obama would win by a large margin.

That's because California is full of sheeple.

[Gaspar]

She's gonna sue the DNC under Constitutional Amendment 24.  She's laid all of the groundwork.  

Contending that, HAD Florida and Michigan abided by the DNC rules, an undue financial burden would have been levied on the state, that the voters would be expected to make up in increased taxes. Therefore the DNC rules were unconstitutional as they could represent a poll tax or other tax.

You watch it's coming!

After that She and Bill will probably just start their own political party. []

[FOTD]

^ Don't think that will work....

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

^ Don't think that will work....

It doesn't have to.  In fact it will work better for her if she loses.

What she is  going to do is position herself and "champion of the disenfranchised" and fracture the party.   This will make Obama look like he is part of the "establishment" and weaken him.

There is really no other reason for her to continue to loan herself money to stay in, unless this is her plan.  I agree that she will probably not be able to win, but the case has some merit, so she will be able to stall or delay the convention.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The youth vote has not been that influential in the recent past, there just werent enough of my kind, the Gen Xers to make a difference.  But that is changing with the "coming online" of the "millineals". They are the next wave, the next baby boom generation and along with the gen-Xers will have just as much impact on things as the baby boomers did. They tend to be more liberal. Obama is speaking to them, their likes and dislikes, how they think. He may be too early though, just less than a third of this next generation are of voting age right now. This new generation is just gaining its voice. (I think a lot of them were for the river vote here, the "YP's". We even see it in some of the arguments on here, there are differences in just how people think and operate and what they value.) Hillary doesn't seem to know how to speak their language and connect with them. Even if she does plan on running again in the future, more of them will be able to vote and she has started pissing them off. About every 40 years we see a generation shift. We are juuust beginning to see the influence of this next group coming "online" (pardon the pun, but it does point to something of what they are about and how they are different). This next generation may not be able to swing the election this time around (like the river vote lol), but in the next 2 elections you will definitely see the shift. This is also the very group we still need to attract more of and keep here in Tulsa... Someone is going to have to pay the taxes and pay for all those retiring Baby Boomers and fill the jobs.

This is why the Dems must not nominate Hillary.  If they do go against the will of the voters, this will completely alienate the younger generation, and they will feel so betrayed by the Dem Party that they either go elsewhere or quit showing any interest in politics whatsoever.

Bugo, there aren't a whole lot of different places to go.  I would guess that young folks will grow up to vote their pocketbooks.  Now unless they are millionnaires, it would make a lot of sense for them to vote for the party that represents working people -- The Democrats.

Some day I'll have to tell you about the welcome my generation got in Chicago at the Democrat Convention in 1968.  Somehow we kept participating in the process after that no so warm greeting.  

It wouldn't make much sense for them to vote for a party that basically told then "your voice doesn't count" which would be what would happen if they installed Hillary instead of Obama.  The younger generations are also much more cynical than the generation at the 1968 convention.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The youth vote has not been that influential in the recent past, there just werent enough of my kind, the Gen Xers to make a difference.  But that is changing with the "coming online" of the "millineals". They are the next wave, the next baby boom generation and along with the gen-Xers will have just as much impact on things as the baby boomers did. They tend to be more liberal. Obama is speaking to them, their likes and dislikes, how they think. He may be too early though, just less than a third of this next generation are of voting age right now. This new generation is just gaining its voice. (I think a lot of them were for the river vote here, the "YP's". We even see it in some of the arguments on here, there are differences in just how people think and operate and what they value.) Hillary doesn't seem to know how to speak their language and connect with them. Even if she does plan on running again in the future, more of them will be able to vote and she has started pissing them off. About every 40 years we see a generation shift. We are juuust beginning to see the influence of this next group coming "online" (pardon the pun, but it does point to something of what they are about and how they are different). This next generation may not be able to swing the election this time around (like the river vote lol), but in the next 2 elections you will definitely see the shift. This is also the very group we still need to attract more of and keep here in Tulsa... Someone is going to have to pay the taxes and pay for all those retiring Baby Boomers and fill the jobs.

This is why the Dems must not nominate Hillary.  If they do go against the will of the voters, this will completely alienate the younger generation, and they will feel so betrayed by the Dem Party that they either go elsewhere or quit showing any interest in politics whatsoever.

Bugo, there aren't a whole lot of different places to go.  I would guess that young folks will grow up to vote their pocketbooks.  Now unless they are millionnaires, it would make a lot of sense for them to vote for the party that represents working people -- The Democrats.

Some day I'll have to tell you about the welcome my generation got in Chicago at the Democrat Convention in 1968.  Somehow we kept participating in the process after that no so warm greeting.  

The younger generations are also much more cynical than the generation at the 1968 convention.

I'll give you some slack here. I don't know your generation that well. You obviously weren't around during the 68 convention and have no business judging their cynicism level either. It was remarkable at the time having been fueled by war, poverty, racism, crime, drugs and political intrigue.

Kind of interesting that most of the remarks about the Democratic primary on this forum are dominated by Independents, Libertarians and Republicans. Actually, not that interesting[], and representative of the city in general and not the rest of the country.

When you stop looking for the perfect fit for your beliefs Bugo, and commit to a political party of some sort your remarks will have more context. I don't even think Independent should be on the voter registration card. It should say Non Aligned or Uncommitted or Unable to Compromise.

[Gaspar]

Hill just announced that her campaign is $20 million in debt.

Her design is nearly complete!

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Hill just announced that her campaign is $20 million in debt.

Actually, they announced that it was $24mil in debt BEFORE Ohio and Pennsylvania.  The talking heads were guessing the number is closer to $30 mil in debt today.  That's serious money.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The youth vote has not been that influential in the recent past, there just werent enough of my kind, the Gen Xers to make a difference.  But that is changing with the "coming online" of the "millineals". They are the next wave, the next baby boom generation and along with the gen-Xers will have just as much impact on things as the baby boomers did. They tend to be more liberal. Obama is speaking to them, their likes and dislikes, how they think. He may be too early though, just less than a third of this next generation are of voting age right now. This new generation is just gaining its voice. (I think a lot of them were for the river vote here, the "YP's". We even see it in some of the arguments on here, there are differences in just how people think and operate and what they value.) Hillary doesn't seem to know how to speak their language and connect with them. Even if she does plan on running again in the future, more of them will be able to vote and she has started pissing them off. About every 40 years we see a generation shift. We are juuust beginning to see the influence of this next group coming "online" (pardon the pun, but it does point to something of what they are about and how they are different). This next generation may not be able to swing the election this time around (like the river vote lol), but in the next 2 elections you will definitely see the shift. This is also the very group we still need to attract more of and keep here in Tulsa... Someone is going to have to pay the taxes and pay for all those retiring Baby Boomers and fill the jobs.

This is why the Dems must not nominate Hillary.  If they do go against the will of the voters, this will completely alienate the younger generation, and they will feel so betrayed by the Dem Party that they either go elsewhere or quit showing any interest in politics whatsoever.

Bugo, there aren't a whole lot of different places to go.  I would guess that young folks will grow up to vote their pocketbooks.  Now unless they are millionnaires, it would make a lot of sense for them to vote for the party that represents working people -- The Democrats.

Some day I'll have to tell you about the welcome my generation got in Chicago at the Democrat Convention in 1968.  Somehow we kept participating in the process after that no so warm greeting.  

The younger generations are also much more cynical than the generation at the 1968 convention.

I'll give you some slack here. I don't know your generation that well. You obviously weren't around during the 68 convention and have no business judging their cynicism level either. It was remarkable at the time having been fueled by war, poverty, racism, crime, drugs and political intrigue.

Kind of interesting that most of the remarks about the Democratic primary on this forum are dominated by Independents, Libertarians and Republicans. Actually, not that interesting[], and representative of the city in general and not the rest of the country.

When you stop looking for the perfect fit for your beliefs Bugo, and commit to a political party of some sort your remarks will have more context. I don't even think Independent should be on the voter registration card. It should say Non Aligned or Uncommitted or Unable to Compromise.

And maybe one day you will quit letting others think for you and start forming your own opinions.  Groupthink is dangerous, whether it's political or religious.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The youth vote has not been that influential in the recent past, there just werent enough of my kind, the Gen Xers to make a difference.  But that is changing with the "coming online" of the "millineals". They are the next wave, the next baby boom generation and along with the gen-Xers will have just as much impact on things as the baby boomers did. They tend to be more liberal. Obama is speaking to them, their likes and dislikes, how they think. He may be too early though, just less than a third of this next generation are of voting age right now. This new generation is just gaining its voice. (I think a lot of them were for the river vote here, the "YP's". We even see it in some of the arguments on here, there are differences in just how people think and operate and what they value.) Hillary doesn't seem to know how to speak their language and connect with them. Even if she does plan on running again in the future, more of them will be able to vote and she has started pissing them off. About every 40 years we see a generation shift. We are juuust beginning to see the influence of this next group coming "online" (pardon the pun, but it does point to something of what they are about and how they are different). This next generation may not be able to swing the election this time around (like the river vote lol), but in the next 2 elections you will definitely see the shift. This is also the very group we still need to attract more of and keep here in Tulsa... Someone is going to have to pay the taxes and pay for all those retiring Baby Boomers and fill the jobs.

This is why the Dems must not nominate Hillary.  If they do go against the will of the voters, this will completely alienate the younger generation, and they will feel so betrayed by the Dem Party that they either go elsewhere or quit showing any interest in politics whatsoever.

Bugo, there aren't a whole lot of different places to go.  I would guess that young folks will grow up to vote their pocketbooks.  Now unless they are millionnaires, it would make a lot of sense for them to vote for the party that represents working people -- The Democrats.

Some day I'll have to tell you about the welcome my generation got in Chicago at the Democrat Convention in 1968.  Somehow we kept participating in the process after that no so warm greeting.  

The younger generations are also much more cynical than the generation at the 1968 convention.

I'll give you some slack here. I don't know your generation that well. You obviously weren't around during the 68 convention and have no business judging their cynicism level either. It was remarkable at the time having been fueled by war, poverty, racism, crime, drugs and political intrigue.

Kind of interesting that most of the remarks about the Democratic primary on this forum are dominated by Independents, Libertarians and Republicans. Actually, not that interesting[], and representative of the city in general and not the rest of the country.

When you stop looking for the perfect fit for your beliefs Bugo, and commit to a political party of some sort your remarks will have more context. I don't even think Independent should be on the voter registration card. It should say Non Aligned or Uncommitted or Unable to Compromise.

And maybe one day you will quit letting others think for you and start forming your own opinions.  Groupthink is dangerous, whether it's political or religious.

So...that's why you live in a country that operates on philosophies assembled by a small group of 18th century aristocrats? Our constitution was the result of "groupthink". Apparently you are able to pick and choose which of their opinions you prefer otherwise you would be a Unitarian land owner whose wife and slaves could not vote.

I think that attitude is naive. Everybody is part of some group and they still manage to maintain individual opinions. Even conformist minded Republicans are able to think on their own and differ from the party line. People in that group even think of McCain as a rebel. When your thinking differs so vastly from your party affiliation, no one makes you stay in the group. Move to a new one or start your own or act to change the group.

Your group, Independents, somehow think they are not part of a group at all and are the only people able to form opinions based on their own unfettered intelligence. As though they are not influenced by the same world the rest of us live in. That hubris has elected the worst leaders we've had in my lifetime and allowed your group to escape responsibility for it.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

She's gonna sue the DNC under Constitutional Amendment 24.  She's laid all of the groundwork.  

Contending that, HAD Florida and Michigan abided by the DNC rules, an undue financial burden would have been levied on the state, that the voters would be expected to make up in increased taxes. Therefore the DNC rules were unconstitutional as they could represent a poll tax or other tax.

You watch it's coming!

After that She and Bill will probably just start their own political party. []

Ok, I mentioned this a while back, but it looks like her plan is getting closer.  This morning the FL governor stated "We will continue to fight against the disenfranchisement of Florida voters.  This is not what our founding fathers intended!"

Sounds to me like more groundwork for a challenge on the constitutionality of the DNC's decision not to seat FL.  Stay tuned for an announcement from Michigan. . .

Soon we will hear a report about major Democratic donors threatening to leave the party if FL and MI are not seated.  I estimate this will happen in the next week.