Brookside Meeting - Mon. May 19th

[tim huntzinger]

And who convinced those people to put those stoooopid perversemidtown.com signs in the homes across the street from the locale on Rockford? No offense, but those people do not seem like the egghead activist types.  And what is the point anyway?  They gonna lay down in front of the bulldozers? Go cry like little babies to some commission? Give it up NIMBYs.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by BierGarten

I don't understand the "Brookside isn't a good fit" people.  Market forces dictate what is a good fit and these devolopers deem Brookside to be a good fit.  So get over yourselves.  Tulsa needs DEVELOPMENT, so let the developers develop...

Because it is a fairly unique area in a city with few unique areas.  Develop one of the many generic areas instead of one of the parts of town with its own special feel and unique history.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by BierGarten

I don't understand the "Brookside isn't a good fit" people.  Market forces dictate what is a good fit and these devolopers deem Brookside to be a good fit.  So get over yourselves.  Tulsa needs DEVELOPMENT, so let the developers develop...

Because it is a fairly unique area in a city with few unique areas.  Develop one of the many generic areas instead of one of the parts of town with its own special feel and unique history.

Its going to be redeveloped whether anyone likes it or not. The discussion isnt about whether or not its going to be redevelopmed, that would be absurd, because it IS going to be redeveloped.  Its about what type of redevelopment.

3 story buildings are already allowed and will come in there.

I agree that it is a unique area. It can be an even more unique and even better area as it redevelopes and infills...if done well.

I ran across some Beryl Ford Collection of Brookside in the 50s and 60s.  What we have in Brookside now is better, muuuch different, and more dense than what was there then.


While indeed there has been this neat little area around 33rd st.


You didnt have to go far south before you ran into...


Is this the charm and uniquiness we are wanting to preserve?


I would say this area is better now. I believe where the gas stations are is now where Pei Wei and Crow Creek is and the new lofts are going in behind.


Not sure but this look like the area near 38th.


Old Ninde Funeral Home

[MichaelBates]

1st photo: west side of Peoria south of 33rd Place. Sidney's was at 3330 S. Peoria.

2nd photo: west side of Peoria looking south from 38th St. Hamburger King was at 3806 S. Peoria. Dairy Queen (left side of picture) was at 3821 S. Peoria -- roughly where the "new" Weber's is today at the corner of 38th Pl.

3rd photo: west side of Peoria looking south from 38th Pl. Van's is now Claud's. (Do I see a Golden Drumstick further down on the left?)

4th photo: Looking south from about 35th Pl. The Phillips 66 station is Crow Creek Tavern now. (The station wasn't demolished -- just expanded and remodeled.)

5th photo: Looking east-northeast from 38th Pl. & Peoria.

6th photo: The "old Ninde" building is still there, they just expanded to the north to take all the frontage on the east side of Peoria between 38th Pl. & 39th.

There's no question that Brookside becomes more car oriented the further south you go. Peoria was the most direct route between central Tulsa and the 51st Street bridge, which opened in the early '50s, so it was the quickest way to get across the river to the Turner Turnpike. It's no surprise that it attracted auto-oriented development. But between Crow Creek and 38th St. it was and is mainly single-story street-fronting retail development. There are a few two-story exceptions and a few gas stations to break the street wall.

The photos of Peoria street frontage are interesting, but this proposed development is away from Peoria, back in the north Brookside residential area, as designated by the Brookside infill plan.