Tulsa World posts full city streets plan

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle


Just another thought, but shouldn't our 41st Street Bridge be in the next 3rd Penny?

IAC, it should've also shown up in Mr. Martinson's plan, but didn't.

Personally, I think $70 or so million on a bridge connecting East and Southwest Tulsa would be money well spent, but, it's not in any official plans right now, is it?

Funny, I'm one who could benefit from a bridge at 41st, so could my employer, but it's down the list of priorties as I see it.

[ifsandbuts]

ENOUGH OF THE HEWGLEY PLAN!

There is no Hewgley Plan. There is a couple pages of scribble written by a guy who used to be an elected official twenty four years ago. He is always against everything and is just going around saying he can do it cheaper. His father's name recognition got him elected when he was young, but his performance was remembered and he lost when he tried to run later. He has no credibility. He has done no home work. He has had no public meetings. He has done nothing but type two pages of speech notes. He is not an engineer nor economist. He is just a cranky old man who thinks everything costs the same as 1984.

One plan has been meetings with citizen groups ever since the Mayor's "Complete Our Streets" group held public hearings last year. One plan has had a city councilor spend hundreds of hours of his and staff research time to investigate. One plan has had the city engineering staff completely measure and prioritize. One plan has had packed public meetings every time it is heard. One plan has had every step of the way covered by local news, from the list to the funding, from policy to the date of the election discussed openly on live broadcasts. One plan is found in a 172 page document, complete with maps and charts of every detail, downloadable from the TulsaWorld.

The other plan is Hewgley's. Calling it a "plan" is insulting. It should have the same weight in this discussion as grafitti.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by ifsandbuts

ENOUGH OF THE HEWGLEY PLAN!

There is no Hewgley Plan. There is a couple pages of scribble written by a guy who used to be an elected official twenty four years ago. He is always against everything and is just going around saying he can do it cheaper. His father's name recognition got him elected when he was young, but his performance was remembered and he lost when he tried to run later. He has no credibility. He has done no home work. He has had no public meetings. He has done nothing but type two pages of speech notes. He is not an engineer nor economist. He is just a cranky old man who thinks everything costs the same as 1984.

One plan has been meetings with citizen groups ever since the Mayor's "Complete Our Streets" group held public hearings last year. One plan has had a city councilor spend hundreds of hours of his and staff research time to investigate. One plan has had the city engineering staff completely measure and prioritize. One plan has had packed public meetings every time it is heard. One plan has had every step of the way covered by local news, from the list to the funding, from policy to the date of the election discussed openly on live broadcasts. One plan is found in a 172 page document, complete with maps and charts of every detail, downloadable from the TulsaWorld.

The other plan is Hewgley's. Calling it a "plan" is insulting. It should have the same weight in this discussion as grafitti.

You know... if that is the best transportation/streets plan the council and the advisers can muster.... we are in fairly deep #*t..

I think I will give this Hewgley fellow a listen anyway...they said some of those same things about Einstein you know.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by ifsandbuts

ENOUGH OF THE HEWGLEY PLAN!

There is no Hewgley Plan. There is a couple pages of scribble written by a guy who used to be an elected official twenty four years ago. He is always against everything and is just going around saying he can do it cheaper. His father's name recognition got him elected when he was young, but his performance was remembered and he lost when he tried to run later. He has no credibility. He has done no home work. He has had no public meetings. He has done nothing but type two pages of speech notes. He is not an engineer nor economist. He is just a cranky old man who thinks everything costs the same as 1984.

One plan has been meetings with citizen groups ever since the Mayor's "Complete Our Streets" group held public hearings last year. One plan has had a city councilor spend hundreds of hours of his and staff research time to investigate. One plan has had the city engineering staff completely measure and prioritize. One plan has had packed public meetings every time it is heard. One plan has had every step of the way covered by local news, from the list to the funding, from policy to the date of the election discussed openly on live broadcasts. One plan is found in a 172 page document, complete with maps and charts of every detail, downloadable from the TulsaWorld.

The other plan is Hewgley's. Calling it a "plan" is insulting. It should have the same weight in this discussion as grafitti.

LOL!...Mr. Hardt??, is that you?

Sure, it doesn't spend $2 BILLION, but it does get our roads repaired.

And, still leaves the 3rd Penny for road reconstructions/expansion.

Dare I suggest.....win/win?

Appears some were hoping for the brass ring.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by ifsandbuts



He has no credibility. He has done no home work. He has had no public meetings. He has done nothing but type two pages of speech notes. He is not an engineer nor economist. He is just a cranky old man who thinks everything costs the same as 1984.

One plan has had the city engineering staff completely measure and prioritize. One plan is found in a 172 page document, complete with maps and charts of every detail, downloadable from the TulsaWorld.

First, by way of your personal attacks, your comments are not to be taken seriously.

Secondly, How did that department go about arriving at their priority list?

Third, Mr. Hewgley understands the process to enlarge, rehabilitate, and pave the city streets with the appropriate over sight and he probably understands where to prioritize with the least waste. He probably understands the less the city does outside of engineering and oversight the better. He must know that the neglect of the streets is a result of bad management.

This damage to our city would never have occured under a street commisioner. But under the direction of public works, a basically non accountable civil service job comprised of ongoing egos, the credibility of performance falls into many Mayor laps.

The guys in public works are lap dogs.

[RecycleMichael]

I guess calling people lap dogs is not a personal attack?

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I guess calling people lap dogs is not a personal attack?

Only to participating COT forum members.......
sniff sniff.....are there any here?

[RecycleMichael]

So you are saying that the names called Hewgley are off limits because he is on the forum. Really?

If he has all the answers, why is he hiding behind a screen name?

[Conan71]

Let's do the river first, let's do the streets first, let's do TCC first, Let's do ED for American and Spirit first

Naw, let's just do recyclemichael first.

[RecycleMichael]

I am confused. Should I be afraid?

[cks511]

quote:Originally posted by ifsandbuts

ENOUGH OF THE HEWGLEY PLAN!

typro's is that you?  gonna haf to send U to TIME OUT!

[Wrinkle]

Just to put some fuel on the fire, did anyone else notice Public Works is proposing to increase its payroll by 100 people on a temporary tax?

If that logic works, the rest of the plan must be alright, too.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Just to put some fuel on the fire, did anyone else notice Public Works is proposing to increase its payroll by 100 people on a temporary tax?

If that logic works, the rest of the plan must be alright, too.

That's one of the reasons I said we are putting together a street's department....

We would be creating a new arm of the Gubmint and guaranteeing the money for it to run..

Watched a little of the committee meeting from the 17th..
Martinson had the nerve to bring up a presentation by "Fregonese"...

I guess that was one of the premises he used to pick his "street expansion list"...

He learned real quick the power of the zip code vs. the power of the plan.

[downtowndweller]

I have not read this entire thread, but if this goes to a vote of the people and is passed,(I believe it should be) then everybody needs to realize we will be wading through a sea of orange barrels for the next 10 years or so.
    I can only hope that someone has proposed that some,if not a lot of this resurfacing to be done during the night. I lived in Atlanta while they were preparing for the 96 Olympics, and of course there was a lot of resurfacing being done. They would work at night when there was the least amount of traffic. You could come home from work one evening and when you woke up and were heading back to work the next day there might be a mile or two of brand new surface.Just a thought.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Let's do the river first, let's do the streets first, let's do TCC first, Let's do ED for American and Spirit first

Naw, let's just do recyclemichael first.

Pass.