If I Hear "Historic" One More Time...

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Ip. There is no Barry. Your style of denigrate, slash, innuendo and spin is becoming history.

Just because you keep saying Obama has no experience, that Palin is qualified doesn't make it so. Bush had lots of experience. Experience in banking, oil, sports and a governorship. It didn't help much. Without the help of his connected father he couldn't successfully manage a Burger King. That's something he shares with McCain whose experience is mostly in failures. Failure to graduate from the academy out of the last quartile. Failure to return three fighter planes from what I read (he wasn't even qualified to fly them, daddy helped). Failure to adequately oversee S&L's in the 80's leading to an industry collapse which nearly ended his career in scandal. Earned him some history as part of the Keating Five. Failure to treat his wife decently which led to him cheating on her and divorcing her for a younger, richer wife (the Reagan's complained to him about his public mistreatment of his exwife). Some experience eh?

And how about Palin's experience? Gratuitously referred to as 2years (late fall 2006 to present) but somehow Senator Obama has only 153 days even though he spoke as a senator in the 2004 Dem convention? Nice spin. Of course he hasn't been a real executive like Palin who managed to sloppily involve herself with her sister's messy divorce that invited ethics investigations. There's some experience that most of us would have steered clear of.

Your name calling and spin is tedious. Support your candidates if you can. Play them up, they need it! When you guys slip off into the spin zone you sound pretty desperate.

^^^ +1

... except that Obama had only won the Dem primary at the time of his 2004 Democratic convention speech... he then trounced Alan Keyes (who espouses similar views as a certain Mrs. Palin), and Obama captured over 70% of the vote... Obama was sworn in as a senator on January 4, 2005....

Thanks. That's about a year earlier than Palin and at a Federal level.

[iplaw]

quote:He voted counter to his party leaders and contemporaries on Iraq and made them eat crow.

Come on...The guy wasn't in Congress when they voted to authorize the war.  What he would or would not have done is speculation because he wasn't in Congress and didn't have the pressure of having to make that decision and be responsible to constituents, many of whom agreed with the need to go to war.  At that time, he was a bystander in Illinois, nothing more.

As far as his vote on the surge he was DEAD wrong.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Ip. There is no Barry. Your style of denigrate, slash, innuendo and spin is becoming history.

Just because you keep saying Obama has no experience, that Palin is qualified doesn't make it so. Bush had lots of experience. Experience in banking, oil, sports and a governorship. It didn't help much. Without the help of his connected father he couldn't successfully manage a Burger King. That's something he shares with McCain whose experience is mostly in failures. Failure to graduate from the academy out of the last quartile. Failure to return three fighter planes from what I read (he wasn't even qualified to fly them, daddy helped). Failure to adequately oversee S&L's in the 80's leading to an industry collapse which nearly ended his career in scandal. Earned him some history as part of the Keating Five. Failure to treat his wife decently which led to him cheating on her and divorcing her for a younger, richer wife (the Reagan's complained to him about his public mistreatment of his exwife). Some experience eh?

And how about Palin's experience? Gratuitously referred to as 2years (late fall 2006 to present) but somehow Senator Obama has only 153 days even though he spoke as a senator in the 2004 Dem convention? Nice spin. Of course he hasn't been a real executive like Palin who managed to sloppily involve herself with her sister's messy divorce that invited ethics investigations. There's some experience that most of us would have steered clear of.

Your name calling and spin is tedious. Support your candidates if you can. Play them up, they need it! When you guys slip off into the spin zone you sound pretty desperate.

^^^ +1

... except that Obama had only won the Dem primary at the time of his 2004 Democratic convention speech... he then trounced Alan Keyes (who espouses similar views as a certain Mrs. Palin), and Obama captured over 70% of the vote... Obama was sworn in as a senator on January 4, 2005....

Thanks. That's about a year earlier than Palin and at a Federal level.

Again, you two are still arguing as if Obama is running against Palin.  Both camps are trying to pad their resume's, at least for the republicans they don't have to do that with the guy running for president.

[waterboy]

Nah, they are spending more time and effort hiding his record! (90% boys, 90%.)

[iplaw]

I don't think republicans have to make an effort at this point other than to say that his resume is paper thin.  The Obama camp isn't providing the American people with any substantive information to challenge that charge.

Obama's going to have to provide all of us with a meaningful recount of specific accomplishments or experiences that prove he's ready to take the helm.  He may do that in the debates, but up to this point there has been very little forthcoming.

And I agree that Palin must do the same.  I just find it disconcerting that the guy running for president has worry about it.

For democrats, his experience isn't a concern, as Palin's is not with republicans.  The ones who do care are the ones on the fence and both sides have to make their case.

If Obama is really as tremendously experienced as the dems say he is, the polls are strangely not reflecting it, even after that spectacle in Denver the race is within a few points.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

I don't think republicans have to make an effort at this point other than to say that his resume is paper thin.  The Obama camp isn't providing the American people with any substantive information to challenge that charge.

Obama's going to have to provide all of us with a meaningful recount of specific accomplishments or experiences that prove he's ready to take the helm.  He may do that in the debates, but up to this point there has been very little forthcoming.

And I agree that Palin must do the same.  I just find it disconcerting that the guy running for president has worry about it.

For democrats, his experience isn't a concern, as Palin's is not with republicans.  The ones who do care are the ones on the fence and both sides have to make their case.

If Obama is really as tremendously experienced as the dems say he is, the polls are strangely not reflecting it, even after that spectacle in Denver the race is within a few points.

I don't think total experience is quite as important to Dems as quality of experiences and an ability to learn from them. The polls don't necessarily reflect the non-aligned concern over a lack of experience. What people say on polls is not very reliable. Its race, fear of unknown, and a host of other intangibles.

When talking about resumes, I was actually referring to McCain's people being as fearful of his experience in "bipolar" stands as Obama handlers are of a thin resume. Is he a maverick when he has voted with Bush 90%? Was he for reproductive rights before he was against them? Did we attack Iraq for oil or for defense? Drill or no drill?

One sitting in the middle waiting for definitive answers to issues can get pretty confused.

[iplaw]

Obama has his share of "refined" stances as does McCain.  

*  Iran was a "tiny country that didn't present a threat, now it's a "grave" threat.  

*  He was going to accept public financing and then decided against it.  

*  He promised IMMEDIATE removal of troops during the primaries and now will "consult" the commanders on the ground before any pull out.

*  He was called the DC handgun ban constitutional in 2007 and unconstitutional in 2008.

*  He is critical of our current energy policy but voted for the Bush/Cheney energy plan.

*  In 2007 he said he was NOT in favor of nuclear power plants, now he is.

*  He said that he was going to meet with dictators "without precodition", now he's backtracked on that.

**** too many more to list

Anyways, it's inevitable that both will move towards the center as the campaign goes on.  I just think Obama has a lot further to travel than Senior Juan...

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