If Hillary Voters Aren't Going W/ Palin...

[Conan71]

...then why are rumors like Joe Biden being dumped after the Oct. 2 VP debate floating around on liberal blogs?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/why_obama_might_pull_an_eaglet.html

[we vs us]

Gotta say I haven't seen even a rumor of this in my daily tour of the lib blogs, but to a degree I could see a certain amount of handwringing in certain parts of the D caucus. It's hard not to agree that McCain's had a good couple of weeks, and that Obama needs to bring back his A game.

But just like McCain was never going to dump Palin, I don't think there's any possibility of Biden being chucked over board. It would raise too many unanswerable questions about loyalty and judgment, as the author rightly points out.  

D's are an energetic lot, and prone to worrying.  And hey, it's obvious we love to write all kinds of bull**** on the web. I'm not surprised there's a strain of this floating around, but it's really nothing more than high-tone conspiracy theory.

[Conan71]

It would be political suicide for either candidate to dump their veep choice after a convention.

Biden just seems so opposite the youth and energy Obama exudes, poster child for BAU politics in DC, and you know us fright-wingers will always call him out for his plagiarism scandal.  That's why his pick has been a total mystery to me.  There had to have been plenty more candidates with foreign policy experience available, if that were really the main reason he thought he needed Biden.

I guess the hot political advice these days is to find a running mate who is somewhat of an antithesis to the candidate so you can cover a broader demographic.

[Gaspar]

There are a lot of Dems that identify with Biden.  I think Hillary would have only been a good strategic choice, but I think Obama knew he could expect more loyalty from Biden and his supporters.

Had he chosen Hillary, he would inherit a throng of supporters who only voted for him because they want her to be president.  I think that's a dangerous position for any leader to be in.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

There are a lot of Dems that identify with Biden.  I think Hillary would have only been a good strategic choice, but I think Obama knew he could expect more loyalty from Biden and his supporters.

Had he chosen Hillary, he would inherit a throng of supporters who only voted for him because they want her to be president.  I think that's a dangerous position for any leader to be in.

I don't think Obama cared whether or not Hillary's voters would support him after he was elected.  I'm guessing he flat did not trust her nor her lap dog Bill.

I honestly think he could have gotten 60% of the popular vote by picking Hillary.  Let's face it, like her or loathe her, no one in the race has more time in the WH as she does.  I don't think anyone will ever dispute that she didn't have an important role which went far beyond the ceremonial aspect of "First Lady".

He couldn't really pick another female candidate w/o really pissing off the "Hillary Nation" so I guess Biden was his best calculated risk.

McCain winning wouldn't be the worst thing for Obama.  He could come back four years from now, four years wiser and a fully-vetted campaigner.  He will be 51 in 2012, he's in good health.  Another advantage would be that Iraq should be out of the way, a lot of the on-going economic unrest should have settled out through natural market forces, and he could take office with far less turnmoil.

I don't think Obama would purposely tank his campaign, I guess I feel Biden was a glib choice.  

Biden wouldn't have looked so bad if McCain had picked Romney, Huckabee, or Pawlenty.  No one expected Palin, probably least of all Obama.  That was a definite "gotcha" moment for the McCain campaign.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

There are a lot of Dems that identify with Biden.  I think Hillary would have only been a good strategic choice, but I think Obama knew he could expect more loyalty from Biden and his supporters.

Had he chosen Hillary, he would inherit a throng of supporters who only voted for him because they want her to be president.  I think that's a dangerous position for any leader to be in.

I don't think Obama cared whether or not Hillary's voters would support him after he was elected.  I'm guessing he flat did not trust her nor her lap dog Bill.

I honestly think he could have gotten 60% of the popular vote by picking Hillary.  Let's face it, like her or loathe her, no one in the race has more time in the WH as she does.  I don't think anyone will ever dispute that she didn't have an important role which went far beyond the ceremonial aspect of "First Lady".

He couldn't really pick another female candidate w/o really pissing off the "Hillary Nation" so I guess Biden was his best calculated risk.

McCain winning wouldn't be the worst thing for Obama.  He could come back four years from now, four years wiser and a fully-vetted campaigner.  He will be 51 in 2012, he's in good health.  Another advantage would be that Iraq should be out of the way, a lot of the on-going economic unrest should have settled out through natural market forces, and he could take office with far less turnmoil.

I don't think Obama would purposely tank his campaign, I guess I feel Biden was a glib choice.  

Biden wouldn't have looked so bad if McCain had picked Romney, Huckabee, or Pawlenty.  No one expected Palin, probably least of all Obama.  That was a definite "gotcha" moment for the McCain campaign.

Good logic.  

If Obama runs again in 4 years he will still have the Climate Crisis to focus on.  When it was "global warming" it had a limited life-span and marketability, but now that it is "climate crisis" it will be a timeless issue for the left.

He will also be able to run again on free healthcare and a host of other free things, so I think he will not be lacking for give-aways.

I also think the during the next run he will have a better handle on camouflaging the flaws in his economic program.  Read this article in the Boston Globe today.  http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/14/seeing_through_obamanomics/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed7
It seems that even the Main Stream Media is starting to get it.

Many of the media outlets have started to turn on him because he told them to back off Palin.  I think he's learned that you just don't do that to the liberal media or they will eat you.

I think 2012 he will be far more refigned of a candidate.