Fours years later and we vote for the same party

[waterboy]

Conan, we've always had difficulty communicating with each other. Nonetheless there is something in your conservative thought processes and discipline that serves to balance out my liberal, non-conformist and rebellious nature.  Some part of me thinks that you may be right on stuff and it just won't go away. So I drink, and I drink....

Even though we all dislike generalizations, they are often necessary. I think you confirmed my generalization that we are imprinted with political "attitudinal frames of reference" at a very early age. For me it was Eisenhower and Kennedy who set the tone when I was a mere grade school child. So I have a strong affinity for the military yet a strong attraction to progressive themes. Colin Powell appealed to me. Then Bush defiled him. For you it was Reagan. Your parents were Republicans and your dad had to deal with labels. He didn't let it change his basic nature though.  I would argue that both of us had already subconsciously been imprinted with a political attitude that was reflected in the way our family, our community, our religion or lack of it, and our time period dictated.  It matters little what label is applied, democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, the imprinting transcends them. It allows some of us to be able to say that "I vote for the candidate, not the party" and retain some sense of self respect while demeaning those who vote straight party ticket. It also becomes part of our self identification and is reflected in our total demeanor.

Campaign officials know these things. For instance, check this out from comments on the fivethirtyeight.com website. Admittedly the poster is an Obama supporter but the report is from an Iowa newspaper and the website is non partisan-

The Iowa State Daily News is reporting that McCain is ejecting attendees from rallies based on the fact that they don't "look" like they should be supporters. This is ridiculous. I'd say it was unbelievable, but this IS McCain, who has plumbed new depths of low.

Below is just a small excerpt

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2008/10/28/news/local_news/doc49068f6ccce49245010961.txt

She said McCain staffers wouldn't tell her why she was being asked to leave and when she got outside, she saw "a group of about 20 people" who had all been asked to leave.

Elborno said after seeing the people who were asked to leave, she was concerned that McCain's staffers were profiling people on appearance to determine who might be a potential protester.

"When I started talking to them, it kind of became clear that they were kind of just telling people to leave that they thought maybe would be disruptive, but based on what? Based on how they looked," Elborno said. "It was pretty much all young people, the college demographic."

Elborno said even McCain supporters were among those being asked to leave.

"I saw a couple that had been escorted out and they were confused as well, and the girl was crying, so I said 'Why are you crying? and she said 'I already voted for McCain, I'm a Republican, and they said we had to leave because we didn't look right,'" Elborno said. "They were handpicking these people and they had nothing to go off of, besides the way the people looked."

I also generalized about Oklahomans being more subject to early imprinting and family political legacy but I should have noted that OK and other rural dominated states like Mississippi, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Arkansas are states that have high levels of natives. Many are never exposed to different lifestyles or views of the world. It leads to a very provincial political attitude that the rest of the world just must be crazy! A state that has a much more transitory population because of its large cities like CA and FL is more likely to attract a variety of political views.

Sorry I screwed up your thread RM.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Conan, we've always had difficulty communicating with each other. Nonetheless there is something in your conservative thought processes and discipline that serves to balance out my liberal, non-conformist and rebellious nature.  Some part of me thinks that you may be right on stuff and it just won't go away. So I drink, and I drink....

I think we ought to start our own political talk show like Hannity & Colmes:

"Waterboy & Conan"  only you can be the overbearing liberal and I can be the conservative dupe/set-up guy.

I don't know it's based on state or region at all.  I think we all pick up the political leanings of our parents because they are our first teachers of life.  If a family is apolitical, there's a better chance their kids won't get as involved in the electoral process.  Same thing applies that if parents are conservative or liberal the kids will likely share similar views.  

Not saying some kids don't go completely opposite their parents, but I don't really see a scientific correlation of region being more of a factor in kids following their parent's political leanings.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Conan, we've always had difficulty communicating with each other. Nonetheless there is something in your conservative thought processes and discipline that serves to balance out my liberal, non-conformist and rebellious nature.  Some part of me thinks that you may be right on stuff and it just won't go away. So I drink, and I drink....

I think we ought to start our own political talk show like Hannity & Colmes:

"Waterboy & Conan"  only you can be the overbearing liberal and I can be the conservative dupe/set-up guy.

I don't know it's based on state or region at all.  I think we all pick up the political leanings of our parents because they are our first teachers of life.  If a family is apolitical, there's a better chance their kids won't get as involved in the electoral process.  Same thing applies that if parents are conservative or liberal the kids will likely share similar views.  

Not saying some kids don't go completely opposite their parents, but I don't really see a scientific correlation of region being more of a factor in kids following their parent's political leanings.

Talk to KRMG, maybe we can get some air time.

Not talking region here, but similarities in rural/urban demographics. Most of the solid red states are laid out demographically like we are with rural domination.

Heck, it may be genetic for all I know.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Conan, we've always had difficulty communicating with each other. Nonetheless there is something in your conservative thought processes and discipline that serves to balance out my liberal, non-conformist and rebellious nature.  Some part of me thinks that you may be right on stuff and it just won't go away. So I drink, and I drink....

I think we ought to start our own political talk show like Hannity & Colmes:

"Waterboy & Conan"  only you can be the overbearing liberal and I can be the conservative dupe/set-up guy.

I don't know it's based on state or region at all.  I think we all pick up the political leanings of our parents because they are our first teachers of life.  If a family is apolitical, there's a better chance their kids won't get as involved in the electoral process.  Same thing applies that if parents are conservative or liberal the kids will likely share similar views.  

Not saying some kids don't go completely opposite their parents, but I don't really see a scientific correlation of region being more of a factor in kids following their parent's political leanings.

Talk to KRMG, maybe we can get some air time.

Not talking region here, but similarities in rural/urban demographics. Most of the solid red states are laid out demographically like we are with rural domination.

Heck, it may be genetic for all I know.

You're right.  We don't communicate well.  Would you consider seeing a counselor with me?

[Steve]

The last time I voted for a Republican for president was for Regan in 1980.  Ford in '76 and Regan in '80 are the only times I have voted Republican for president.

I was a registered Republican from 1975 to 1990, when I changed to the Democrat party.  I got so fed up with with the prominence of people like Falwell, Robertson, the "moral majority," and the Republican embrace of their bigotry.  I don't always agree 100% with all Democrats, but their general platform and principles better match my opinions.  I think I only initially registered Republican because that's how my parents voted, but eventually realized that was a sorry reason.  

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Conan, we've always had difficulty communicating with each other. Nonetheless there is something in your conservative thought processes and discipline that serves to balance out my liberal, non-conformist and rebellious nature.  Some part of me thinks that you may be right on stuff and it just won't go away. So I drink, and I drink....

I think we ought to start our own political talk show like Hannity & Colmes:

"Waterboy & Conan"  only you can be the overbearing liberal and I can be the conservative dupe/set-up guy.

I don't know it's based on state or region at all.  I think we all pick up the political leanings of our parents because they are our first teachers of life.  If a family is apolitical, there's a better chance their kids won't get as involved in the electoral process.  Same thing applies that if parents are conservative or liberal the kids will likely share similar views.  

Not saying some kids don't go completely opposite their parents, but I don't really see a scientific correlation of region being more of a factor in kids following their parent's political leanings.

Talk to KRMG, maybe we can get some air time.

Not talking region here, but similarities in rural/urban demographics. Most of the solid red states are laid out demographically like we are with rural domination.

Heck, it may be genetic for all I know.

You're right.  We don't communicate well.  Would you consider seeing a counselor with me?

Yeah, sure. The last one I saw took MC/Visa. You got a real card with any limit left on it?[]

Seriously, we could do better than those loons they have on the radio now.

[Conan71]

^^^^^Absolutely.  I paid all my credit cards off for the fourth time with a fifth mortgage on my house.  I didn't need to show income verification, no credit check, they didn't even care if I had a job!  Heck, I don't even own the house!!

What a country!!!