Who is Ron Polarik?

[buck]

Has anyone heard of Ron Polarik? I read an article in one of the local "community" newspapers that this man had proven that the Obama birth certificate that in on the internet is a fake, but doing a quick websearch for this guy I only found mention of him on a few right wing blogs, and a few sites dispute that this guy even exists. So if this guy is a phoney could that newspaper be sued for printing false information? I had read the thread and read the stuff about the birth certificate but just found it pecuilar that an article with this guys name found it's way into one of our local newspapers.

[tim huntzinger]

Me and Ron hang out quite a bit, looking for UFO's, getting that Holy Grail thing worked out, trapping Bigfoot. Y'know.

[RecycleMichael]

I thought Ron Polarik was Bigfoot.

[swake]

This again? Really?

The state of Hawaii says it's a not a fake. So guess what, it's not a fake. It's their document and they have the original to compare to.

End of story.

[Gaspar]

I've reviewed the footage of Ron Polarik very closely and must conclude that he's a fake.

I do not see the upper body movement typical of a real human being, nor do I see any facial components at all, just blurry pixilated movement.  It's obvious that he's a forgery.

[buck]

Sounds like everyone can get a good laugh out of this, I was at a friends house and saw the article in the Sapulpa Herald it said it was from "Staff Reports". A while back before the election an editorial in the same paper urged readers to watch a "Video portrat of Barack Hussien Obama" before voting. Not suprising then when people were protesting at their door a while back.

[TheArtist]

Well golly ge whiz, if it was in the Sapulpa Herald... duuude it has to be for real.[]

[cannon_fodder]

Obama may be better than Bush!  All Bush did was get 3 airlines, the military as an institution, the FAA, several foreign governments, the port authority of New York, a good number of military personnel, 16 Arabs, some  flight schools, the FBI, the Italian CIA, the UN, Saudi Arabia, witnesses, 12 fake victims will cell phones on a plane, a demolition crew, and a few other key people to make the most elaborate plot ever.  I believe this because I view him as an extremely competent and clever person.  Furthermore, the US government is very good at detailed planning and keeping secrets.

But Bush did that as president.  So what?  Anyone could do that as president.

As a mere immigrant from Kenya/Indonesia Barrack HUSSEIN Obama managed to destroy his birth records overseas, illegal immigrate into Indonesia, forge a passport (which he later destroyed), immigrate to the United States, live in Hawaii with a white woman, fake hospital records and a birth certificate, get everyone to either lie on his behalf or die, and then bribe the government of the State of Hawaii to lie on his behalf.

Imagine what he can do as president!

If I guy looking at pictures on the internets can write a ~100 page report it must be true.  Hell, it wasn't folded right, the seal didn't photograph correctly, AND, AND the state waited too long to say it was real.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts

Anyone else going to join me in refusing to recognize any acts (that you don't like) of our new president?

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Obama may be better than Bush!  All Bush did was get 3 airlines, the military as an institution, the FAA, several foreign governments, the port authority of New York, a good number of military personnel, 16 Arabs, some  flight schools, the FBI, the Italian CIA, the UN, Saudi Arabia, witnesses, 12 fake victims will cell phones on a plane, a demolition crew, and a few other key people to make the most elaborate plot ever.  I believe this because I view him as an extremely competent and clever person.  Furthermore, the US government is very good at detailed planning and keeping secrets.

But Bush did that as president.  So what?  Anyone could do that as president.

As a mere immigrant from Kenya/Indonesia Barrack HUSSEIN Obama managed to destroy his birth records overseas, illegal immigrate into Indonesia, forge a passport (which he later destroyed), immigrate to the United States, live in Hawaii with a white woman, fake hospital records and a birth certificate, get everyone to either lie on his behalf or die, and then bribe the government of the State of Hawaii to lie on his behalf.

Imagine what he can do as president!

If I guy looking at pictures on the internets can write a ~100 page report it must be true.  Hell, it wasn't folded right, the seal didn't photograph correctly, AND, AND the state waited too long to say it was real.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts

Anyone else going to join me in refusing to recognize any acts (that you don't like) of our new president?

Oh, look, a hornet's nest! Let us poke it!

RE BUSH/911: That there was going to be some kind of operation was a well-known secret.  Their mistake was not anticipating a 'martydom' operation.  The 'troofer' grassy knoll type beliefs are just smoke screens for what really happened, IMO.

RE FORGED DOCUMENTS: IMPOSSIBLE to ever ever EV-AH create a fake paper trail.  ONE dude sez he saw the 'original.'   He is the State, now? Huh. IMPOSSIBLE for him to be an unimpeachable source.  I get it, there is nothing that can be done outside of some atomic analysis of the supposed document to deter adherents to the COBL theory (and even then the Shroud of Turin still has believers . . .)  And hey I am in good standing: Dave Ournutt at TulsaToady is an adherent!

[cannon_fodder]

I'm sorry Timmay... you're right.  It is much more likely that everyone involved is lying and the paper trail is forged.  Given that litmus test, I could not prove I was born in the US either.  

The count is up to 5.  5 US Supreme Court cases that have alleged the same thing and 5 that have been dismissed.  

McCain would have faced the same conspiracy. Too many people with too much time that think it is the duty of someone to disprove a theory or it stands as valid. One of these decades we will get a president that both really wins the election and that is eligible to be president.   aka, that the conspiracy theorists like.  [}:)]

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I'm sorry Timmay... you're right.  It is much more likely that everyone involved is lying and the paper trail is forged.  Given that litmus test, I could not prove I was born in the US either.  

The count is up to 5.  5 US Supreme Court cases that have alleged the same thing and 5 that have been dismissed.  

And isn't it all a moot point anyway?

Obama was officially elected president of the United States by the Electoral College on Monday.

Game over.

I swear, those folks are their own worst enemies in this thing. There's nothing like a highly improbable conspiracy to expose the fools that they are. Nothing like a stupid theory to show that the suspected idiots are now confirmed idiots.

[tim huntzinger]

Look, the O for the overwhelming majority of his life believed, portrayed himself as, and acted as if he were 100% natural born.  SO EVEN IF his Kenyan birth were revealed, it is sorta like a common law marriage, IMO.  In other words, it is like trying to get back taxes on a 'married' couple whose preacher was not licensed or something under the premise that filing jointly was illegal.  I do not know if that works for you all or not, but that is how I reconcile my belief that he was not born in Hawaii but in Kenya.

How many cops out there would, after pulling someone over, allow the drivers' car occupants to convince him that the driver had a license without actually seeing it? Or, if your MOTHER'S KILLER was going to be extradited back to his/her home country where you know he/she would not be prosecuted, based on the same level of care taken to examine the documents allowing for that extradition, would shrug and say 'Yeh I guess too bad, Mum. He gets to go home.'  How many of you would allow a suspected child rapist to walk on similar 'evidence?'

SCOTUS is G-D to the Godless.  Dred Scott. Kelo. Roe.  Bush v. Gore.  Reaaaaaaal genuises there. NEVER EVER putting them fingers in the wind. Above reproach or reconsideration.  We need to set term limits on them so-called 'justices.'

I am good with my belief about the O's Kenyan birth. I can move forward, I can see why there is scepticism.  So what are the odds that this story is true? 0% 10% 30%? Why did his law firm suddenly get interested in POTUS's natural-born requirement so suddenly when O was elected Senator? Just questions.  Sorry to ruffle (KMFA).

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

SO EVEN IF his Kenyan birth were revealed,

And if I were Santa Claus, I'd solve the economic crisis.

There's skeptical, and there's delusional -- especially when a trainload of facts simply don't match up with a highly speculative conspiracy theory.

[cannon_fodder]

Tim

1) I agree with your final assessment on Obama. Even if he was not natural born, on which we seem to disagree, the child Obama and the adult Obama believe and act as if they were.  HE is not attempting to defraud anyone.

2) Per the Supreme Court, I understand your sentiment and share it to some degree, but I do not believe you have fully thought it through.

[side note:  please discuss your issues with Bush v. Gore as it was a fairly simple ruling:  You can not change election policy after an election and during a recount.  Under the rules Florida had set out, Bush wins.]

You cited a handful of cases that you do not like, and decry the entire system based on those cases.  There are certainly just as many people who liked them, or more.  There is also a huge list of cases that you certainly agree with and adore the outcome:

Marbury v. Madison - judicial review (effectively instituting the checks and balances system we now know)

Brown v. Board - Separate but equal was not equal

McCulloch v. Maryland - broad interpretation of the Federal Powers (which I do not like, but most liberals LOVE) to go beyond named powers (limited government, ha!).  A foundation of our modern state (welfare, federal highways, FAA, education, health care, social security, on and on would be impossible without this ruling... later expanded by FDR under threat of removing or adding justices)

Tinker v. Des Moines - freedom of speech to say whatever the F*CK you want to, even if society doesn't like the message (Texas v. Johnson)

United States v. Nixon - presidential communications are not exempt from law enforcement scrutiny in criminal investigations

Lawrence V. Texas - States can not regulate consensual adult sexual behavior in their homes

I could, of course, go on and on with cases I presume you would support.  Environmental law cases.  Civil rights.  Religious freedom (including separation of church and state).  Due process (restrictions on police and prosecution mostly). All often protected by the Supreme Court in what would have been very unpopular decisions at the time.  
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cases/topic.htm


Having a Supreme Court who "put their finger" in the wind would be a horrible thing.  It would potentially remove the rule of law and institute popular justice, which is, of course, not actually justice at all.  Elected or routinely appointed justices would destroy American jurisprudence.  

And they are not above reproach.  27 times we have taken the needed steps to reproach their decision and amended our constitution.  If ever their decision was so wildly unpopular and out of touch with America, such an action could again take effect.

Again, this does not mean I think they are above emotion or personal opinion, I don't agree with all their decisions and even the ones for which I like the outcome I admit the logic can be dubious... but as a whole they have steered this country in a positive and prudent direction.

Laws are much like markets - they want slow and steady change.  Anything else doesn't work out so well.  Exception markets just deal with money, laws can be much more important.