Good Job Mr. President

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I think Obama messed up with the stimulus package. Most economists I have heard say that we need a stimulus that is much larger, that the economy is so large, this will hardly have any effect. Have heard estimates ranging from 5-7 trillion.

Five to seven trillion?

I don't know where you got those numbers. Even an unabashed liberal like Paul Krugman has advocated a stimulus package of about $1.5 trillion, based on an estimate that the nation's GNP will drop by at least $2 trillion.

But there's no way in hell the Congress would have ever passed a $1.5 trillion package, no matter how needed it is. Obama advocated a bill that would actually have a shot at getting passed, not a shoot-the-moon project. He understood this in a way that Bill Martinson didn't.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Have heard estimates ranging from 5-7 trillion.

Might be only a portion of what's in store.  5-7 trillion in one swoop, that would be more of a revolution than a stimulus.

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

It's pretty obvious Jindal is at the top of someone's list at the RNC for the '12 POTUS candidate.

Typically the "rebuttal" is given by a congressperson, of the minority party.  That they went to a governor, kind of signifies that the minority party in congress couldn't have delivered that speech believably, and with a straight face.  I don't think they wanted Jindal, I don't think they had much choice though.

Jindal is starting his campaign for '12.  They want to get the publicity and buzz going for him, much like President Obama got by speaking at the '04 DNC.  The GOP is showing their hand, the message is going to be run-away deficit-spending "The Obama camp didn't make good on their promise to reduce the deficit, etc."  Just watch.  

Think about it, he's young, ethnic, ostensibly well-educated, and he comes from yet another historically politically-corrupt corner of the country.  Probably doesn't have a long paper trail of controversial decisions.  He's perfect for the job.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


I think Obama messed up with the stimulus package.

He did mess up, quite badly. It was obvious from the get-go that the Republicans weren't going to go along with the stimulus package no matter what was in it, so why on earth did he throw the whole thing under the bus by making a third of the amount tax cuts?

Tax cuts aren't stimulus in a recession..they get saved, not spent. The whole point is to spend money.

If it would have avoided the situation where all but 3 republicans voted against it, I'd say it was good political calculus, but as it stands, the GOP got what they wanted and they still get to beat him over the head with it come 2012.

I guess he bought into their bipartisanship bull****. (which I'm all for, but with the post-Newt Republicans is a complete pipe dream)

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Jindal is starting his campaign for '12.  They want to get the publicity and buzz going for him, much like President Obama got by speaking at the '04 DNC.  The GOP is showing their hand, the message is going to be run-away deficit-spending "The Obama camp didn't make good on their promise to reduce the deficit, etc."  Just watch.  

1) That's assuming he's actually going to run in 2012, which is very soon after he has to secure his re-election in Louisiana in 2011. That won't give him much face time in Iowa.

2) That's also assuming that he'll win the nomination. You'll likely have guys like Mitt Romney, Charlie Crist and the governor of Utah running. Plus the governor of Alaska, if she ever figures out how to string together a coherent sentence.

[guido911]

Commander in Chiefs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/&feature=player_embedded

[we vs us]

Commander in Chiefs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/&feature=player_embedded

What's great about the US is that our armed forces have supported the president in power without question for almost 250 years. They have a strong tradition of remaining apolitical, regardless of the personal affiliations of the people who serve.  Which is as it should be.  Try having a democracy with an armed forces that takes sides and see how long that whole "will of the people" thing lasts. 

[cannon_fodder]

The setting was also very different.  The Marines for "Barry" were clearly at attention.   Clearly they were not as enthusiastic with President Obama, but I doubt it is to the extent the video makes it out to be.  Though it was kinda funny.

And +1 to wevus.

[nathanm]

if she ever figures out how to string together a coherent sentence.

I don't think that's a requirement, by any means. W had issues with that except when he was talking about foreign wars. (Perhaps that's telling of his attitude)

[guido911]

Okay, who said this:

"One year from now, we have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race - and I've won. I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they won't find a job in my White House."

That's right, our president:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/jan/obama-white-house-lobbyist-haven

So, has he kept this promise?  Let's see:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18128.html

And now tonight we learn two more Obama appointees that were lobbyists were given ethics waivers:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/

Obama is a liar. Come on Obama lovers, defend these appointments.

[Townsend]

Come on Obama lovers, defend these appointments.

They don't have to.  Just like Bush before him, he's the president.

[guido911]

How bad off are you when Chavez calls you an ignoramus:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE52L19G20090322?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[rwarn17588]

I don't think that's a requirement, by any means. W had issues with that except when he was talking about foreign wars. (Perhaps that's telling of his attitude)

But, see, that indirectly proves the point. Bush is going down as one of the most unpopular presidents in history. Much of the voting public was fed up with eight years of his intellectual (and general) mediocrity. Palin's shortcomings in that area badly hurt McCain's chances of being elected.

I know of strong Republicans who voted for Obama because the choice of Palin torpedoed McCain's credibility in his claims as a serious and experienced candidate.