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Please throw your guns and ammo in the container

Started by shadows, May 01, 2009, 07:41:09 PM

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waterboy

I don't share the paranoia of those who think they're tryin' to git 'er guns. Restrictions on guaranteed rights have been with us from the start. Licensing, registration, taxes are all limitations on rights that, as Nathan correctly points out, have been self determined. Not all states embraced them but all states have the right to define those guaranteed rights within their borders.

Automobiles were not specifically noted in the constitution, so I guess all you strict constructionists are willing to admit they are all illegal. Or, they are legal but not subject to any limitation of rights like tags, drivers licensing, speed limits etc. After all these were all knowing, prescient saints who wrote the constitution. Men who could foresee such things as the internet, the highway systems and copyrights etc. I doubt that.

There was a time when you could be arrested for serving liquour by the drink in jets that flew over the state of Oklahoma. Not sure if it ever happened but it was threatened. Just how far will we go with this state's rights philosophy?

jamesrage

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Quote from: nathanm on May 03, 2009, 01:46:41 PM
You say they are unconstitutional, yet courts have ruled that background checks and limits on ownership are not in fact unconstitutional.

Seeing how those thing infringe on the right to keep and bear arms they do violate the constitution. Judges who do not interprete the constitition litterally can not be trusted as an authority on the constititon,especially seeing how all it takes is a few conservative supreme court judges to be replaced and a new DC type ban to come across them for the DC vs Miller to be reversed.
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Regardless, as a response to my statement that Obama is in fact not after your guns, or at least has yet to take any action as President that would give a reasonable person that impression, your post was completely off point.


Are you saying that if liberals in office drafted another Brady or Gun ban under the guise of a "Gun owner protection bill" type bill he wouldn't sign it? Are you saying that Obama would say hell no I will not sign that bill because I respect the second amendment? You are delusional if you say he would refuse to sign such things. Obama is not going to be the one to draft any such bills, but nothing is going to stop him from signing such bills if they land on his desk. Therefore my point was not way off.

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shadows

Millions of pages of briefs have been filed before the courts on what the constitution was intended to mean.  The encyclopedia suggest we have one half the world attorneys deciphering it. It has become the most complex and confusing of any document ever written.  Franklin refused to take part in it when he discovered it was to be written behind closed doors, so he said "I smell a rat" and went home.

The well documented states gun control posted is an illustration of the "Bill of Rights" that was written some two years after the constitution to appease the states. 

We have made a mad rush to get the taxes paid by 4/15.  If instructed will you make such a rush to throw your guns into the container?


Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

nathanm

Quote from: jamesrage on May 03, 2009, 07:46:01 PM
Seeing how those thing infringe on the right to keep and bear arms they do violate the constitution. Judges who do not interprete the constitition litterally can not be trusted as an authority on the constititon,especially seeing how all it takes is a few conservative supreme court judges to be replaced and a new DC type ban to come across them for the DC vs Miller to be reversed.
Literal does not equal absolute.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

PonderInc

I am affronted that Oklahoma requires us to get driver's licenses before operating a motor vehicle.  It's all part of the vast, vegetarian, feminazi conspiracy to take away our god-given, constitutional right to own cars (enshrined in the 10 Commandments)!  If this keeps up, there won't be a car left on the road by the end of Obama's term!  Watch out for crazy liberals on bikes.... next thing you know it will be illegal to attend Christian church or eat apple pie!

Cats Cats Cats

Quote from: PonderInc on May 12, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
next thing you know it will be illegal to attend Christian church or eat apple pie!

You obviously don't listen to Hannity or Beck.  It already is.